Re: please vote...

1999-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
) as chairman Guy Maor: has not yet voted for a chairman Ian Jackson: has not yet voted for a chairman Klee Dienes: has not yet voted for a chairman Raul Miller: I'm voting for both myself and Dale Scheetz as chairman Raul, you don't seem to have expressed

Re: bug report dispute resolution request

2000-12-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (bug report dispute resolution request): Had Herbert bothered to pay any attention at all, [...] [If Herbert were to downgrade] this bug report to a wishlist item (which, given his attitude, [it] would indicate that he has no intention of ever addressing it), Given

Re: Bdale Recommendation

2001-04-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Bdale Recommendation): Raul Miller writes (Bdale Recommendation): I vote to formally recommend Bdale Garbee as a technical committee member. Absolute, I vote in favour of this too. (I've been away in SF and then to a con, so I've had no access to my home email

Re: debian-ctte mailing list: unmoderate, please

2002-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Jaakko Niemi writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list: unmoderate, please): On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Ian Jackson wrote: Moderation taken off, but posting is still limited to subscribers only. If we need to remove that too, let me know. Yes, please. And, your mailer is doing something very odd

Re: suXscribe

2002-04-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Bdale Garbee writes (suXscribe): That proves the list is working, even if Bdale isn't on it, at least :-). Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Technical Committee

2002-04-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Firstly, I'd like to apologise to everyone here for not stepping up to the job of Chairman as quickly as I ought to done. From now on I'm rearranging my schedule to ensure that I'll read and deal with tech-ctte mail at least twice a week, which should prove a useful response time. So, having

Can we reject HTML mail ?

2002-04-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Is there any software on lists.debian.org that could bounce all HTML mail sent to debian-ctte ? debian-ctte is getting a hideous amount of spam. It's clogging our mailboxes and making the archives unuseable. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Technical Committee: decision on #119517?): Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, Bug #119517 was submitted to the Technical Committee for a ruling. No member of the Technical Committe has participated in any public discussion of this bug (at least in the bug logs or in

Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-04-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Re: Processed: yawn): reassign 97671 tech-ctte,xutils thanks Anthony has offered no basis for his latest manipulation of my bug list aside from the derisive remark in the Subject:. I am requesting the Technical Committee's resolution of this dispute under Section

Re: Can we reject HTML mail ?

2002-04-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Can we reject HTML mail ?): On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Ian Jackson wrote: Is there any software on lists.debian.org that could bounce all HTML mail sent to debian-ctte ? debian-ctte is getting a hideous amount of spam. It's clogging our mailboxes and making

Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (SuperCite undone): Ian Jackson: As I understand it, the supposed principle which is being applied is that it is unacceptable to have a binary in the package which depends on libraries not mentioned in Depends, and that Recommends or Suggests are not sufficient

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-04-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 01:34:26AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: But, the idea in the policy manual is that a `must' is a rule for which there are not expected to be exceptions; it doesn't touch on how damaging a breach of the rule

Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?): I think everyone agrees that it's a Bad Thing to have packages like this, the question is really whether it's completely unacceptable to ever do it, or if having packages with a single fairly trivial binary and different

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (SuperCite undone): Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, I can see that you might want to avoid too much discretion being exercised by bug submitters. Discretion is not quote how I would describe bug severity escalation, but yes, bug severities ought

Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-05-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?): On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:31:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: In this particular case, you got me. In the general case, though, I still think my arguments have merit. Right, but that's kind-of the point: in the

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-05-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, that doesn't mean that the severities need to remain set by those objective criteria. Someone other than the submitter, with a greater overview of the whole package or distribution

Proposed committee web page

2002-05-05 Thread Ian Jackson
-binding recommendations or opinions. h3Formal nontechnical and procedural decisions/h3 ul li2002-01-31 Appointed Ian Jackson as chairman, following Raul's resignation from the post. (In favour: Dale Ian Manoj Raul Wichert; none against or abstaining.) /ul NB that decisions from before the 31st

Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-05-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?): Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. However, there are circumstances where it is less of a bad thing than the available alternatives, so we can't make a hard and fast rule that it should never be done that way

Technical Committee - ping !

2002-05-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Are the rest of you there ? Manoj and I have been having an extensive discussion about #119517, and about the use of the BTS, and I sent round a number of other mails, but there have been no responses. Please read the discussion, or at least skimread the summaries, and get involved. The

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-06-23 Thread Ian Jackson
This discussion makes it clear to me that the decision here is not technical, it is a question of process. As such it should be made by the project leadership and/or bug tracking administrators. I therefore hereby propose the following resolution of the Technical Committee: We note that *

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-06-23 Thread Ian Jackson
The current state of this seems to be: * Everyone agrees that it's not ideal for programs to fail in this way. There is disagreement about whether it should be always strictly forbidden in every case, or whether there are other tradeoffs etc. that might justify it. (I can't quite make out

Re: developers-reference: patch re: replacing files on the ftp site

2002-06-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes (Re: developers-reference: patch re: replacing files on the ftp site): I still think it would be a good idea if the Technical Committee documented its decision per 6.3.3. You are right, of course. However, there are probably better things we could be doing than going

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-06-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): I therefore hereby propose the following resolution of the Technical Committee: (Full resolution below.) No-one has commented to say they object to us punting on this one, so I hereby call for a vote on the resolution I proposed

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-06-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package): We haven't ever been here before, but it seems to me that the best course of action would be to formulate a resolution overruling the pcmcia-cs maintainer's decision and vote

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-06-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Ian Jackson wrote: No-one has commented to say they object to us punting on this one, so I hereby call for a vote on the resolution I proposed on Monday. If anyone votes against, or proposes an amendment

Re: Proposed committee web page

2002-06-28 Thread Ian Jackson
On the 6th of May I wrote: Please save as a file called `something.html' and review it and let me know what you think. If no-one objects, I'll ask the debian-www team to put it on the website as http://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte/. There were no comments, so I'll talk to the www people.

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-06-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Wichert Akkerman writes (Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package): Previously Ian Jackson wrote: I therefore hereby propose the following two alternative versions of a resolution for this issue: Can we please wait with a vote until July 5? I'm

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-07-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): The Technical Committee has passed the following resolution, regarding the dispute surrounding Bug#97671 and the proper use of the Severity tag and other BTS features: ... We therefore recommend that * The bug system

Re: EN-IT translator

2002-07-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Paolo Risso writes (EN-IT translator): I'm Paolo, from Genova - Italy. I drop you these few lines in the case you need my help for your fantastic project (of course, for free). ... I'm a 6 years free-lance translator from English to Italian, [...] I have forwarded your mail to our Italian

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
I use my casting vote again to make Yes win. Thirdly, according to A.6(8) we check for the quorum, which is two according to 6.3(1). There were at least two votes which prefer the winning option (A) to the default option (FD), so the quorum is reached. -- Ian Jackson, at home. Local

Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671

2002-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Release-critical bugs, and #97671): I still haven't had a chance to properly think about the whole serious and -policy and whatever issues, so I'm still not making substantive comments about this. Right, well, no-one seems to be telling me what to do, so I'll reassign

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package): Here is my vote, though couched in terms biased the other way: I'm sorry you didn't like my wording. But, the discussion /was/ about whether to split the package and whether to

Re: Vote! on supposedly controversial tech ctte question Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2002-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Bdale Garbee writes (Re: Vote! on supposedly controversial tech ctte question Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package): My reason for wanting further discussion is that I'm willing to let the maintainer have some discretion, but believe that it's only

Draft Call for Applications

2002-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project. Currently, the active members are: * Bdale Garbee * Ian Jackson (chairman) * Manoj Srivastava * Raul Miller * Wichert Akkerman There are also three inactive members: * Dale Scheetz * Guy Maor * Jason

Re: Technical committee composition and activity

2002-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Technical committee composition and activity): FWIW, I wasn't able to get to my PGP key when I had time to make a vote. It's been a trying week. Lame excuse.. Oh, hello. Damn, I just sent out my draft with you down as `inactive'. Do you want to join in again, then

Re: Bug#154950: Gnome 2 transition

2002-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Wichert Akkerman writes (Re: Bug#154950: Gnome 2 transition): Previously Ian Jackson wrote: Why not [automatically convert users' configs] ? Lots of nastiness: users might currently be logged in and suddenly have files changing underneath them. NFS /home will also break things. I hope

Bug#154950: Thoughts on GNOME 2 transition

2002-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Bug#154950: Thoughts on GNOME 2 transition): I urge the technical committee to take a sensible decision (ie one of the three solutions proposed in my initial mail) quickly. [...] You're right that we are taking too long. I'd like to propose that we hold an IRC meeting

Re: [herbert@gondor.apana.org.au: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]

2002-10-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Herbert Xu writes (Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]): ... Who is supposed to make these decisions about how many people are interested? Should I ask you every time this comes up? If you end up getting into a serious enough dispute about

Re: [herbert@gondor.apana.org.au: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]

2002-10-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]): On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:37:43PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: What I am unsure about is whether I have the grounds to cause my judgment to override the maintainers in this

Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console

2002-10-30 Thread Ian Jackson
I think all that's going to be said has been said. So I hereby propose the following resolution and immediately call for a vote. 1. The Technical Committee has considered the question of whether VESA fb support should be compiled into the default kernel, as requested in Bug#161931. 2.

Barfmail when trying to reach to Ian Jackson

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
My apologies, but I got caught out when an RBL-style blacklist operator (of a blacklist shut down by a lawsuit threat) decided to suddenly start blacklisting the whole internet. I thought I was keeping an eye on the relevant places where such things might be announced, but apparently not closely

Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console

2002-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console): [details of proposal elided] I think this proposal matches the best information we have available and I vote for this proposal. So, would everyone else please vote ? If you don't have an opinion or don't

Bug#164889: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2002-11-03 Thread Ian Jackson
I would like to refer bugs #164591 and #164889 (these are merged, and I'm the submitter of the latter) to the committee. Below you'll find my summary of the issue. (In the summary, `you' refers to the package maintainer.) I sent Adam (via the BTS) this summary on the 25th of October, and asked

Re: Bug#164889: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2002-11-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#164889: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): I would like to refer bugs #164591 and #164889 (these are merged, and I'm the submitter of the latter) to the committee. Below you'll find my summary of the issue. (In the summary, `you' refers to the package

Re: Committee members please check you got my test

2002-11-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Committee members please check you got my test): I've just sent a test message to debian-ctte-private. To avoid any problems with the call for applications that I'm going to send out, please let me know within the next few days if you didn't get my other test mail. Right

Re: Bug#164889: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2002-11-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Clint Adams writes (Re: Bug#164889: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): Rather than Debian shipping its own md5sum, why not just rely on the GNU textutils md5sum(1) in coreutils or one of the not-yet-packaged md5(1) utilities from *BSD, depending on whether or not one wants the '-'

Re: Committee members please check you got my test

2002-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Committee members please check you got my test): murphy{jgg}/var/list/debian-ctte-private#cat dist (Only addresses below this line can be automatically removed) [EMAIL PROTECTED] murphy{jgg}/var/list/debian-ctte-private# So, I don't think anyone but you is on the

Re: Committee members please check you got my test

2002-11-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Committee members please check you got my test): Yes, I probably can, if you tell me where the archive you are having problems is located. I had a conversation on IRC with Josip Rodin, who asserted that there was an archive readable to all developers, as a result of

Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console

2002-11-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console): I think all that's going to be said has been said. So I hereby propose the following resolution and immediately call for a vote. Thanks everyone for your contributions, and thanks to the voting committee

Re: Processed: 161931 etc. reassign

2002-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Herbert Xu writes (Re: Processed: 161931 etc. reassign): This will be fixed in the next release. Thanks. Regards, Ian.

Re: Debian on tablet PCs?

2002-12-19 Thread Ian Jackson
John Obenauer writes (Debian on tablet PCs?): Do you know whether Debian can be installed on the new tablet PCs, and if it could accept input from the new screens? If not, do you know whether anyone has started a project like this, such as making a Linux device driver to read screen input?

Re: debian-ctte-private@lists.debian.org - shut it down

2003-01-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Anand Kumria writes (Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - shut it down): On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 02:05:41PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Please make [EMAIL PROTECTED] undeliverable. Done. Thanks. The Committee is using [EMAIL PROTECTED], a simple alias, and The only problem with the alias

Re: request for status report

2003-01-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Bdale Garbee writes (request for status report): Hello. You are receiving this email either because I've delegated some task to you explicitly as Debian Project Leader in the past year, or because your name is listed at http://www.debian.org/intro/organization Sorry for the delay

Re: new moderation system

2003-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Anand Kumria writes (Re: new moderation system): On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 05:11:57PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: But, debian-ctte should not be moderated. Could you please unmoderate it, but make it member posting only ? Do you mean restricted to tech-ctte members only? Or only those

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:28:43 +0100, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Our Secretary seems to be under the impression [...] Rubbish. In the case of the last GR, the sponsor had already called for a vote (twice

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): * Since we are in something of a hurry, [...] I think we should not interfere in whatever solution the developers come up with, since we are not actually involved as a group in the solution process. We've been

Catching up

2004-05-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Getting myself back on the ctte list has reminded me of the two other things we have had on our plate for a little while: bug #164591 (md5sum output format) and the call for new members. The md5sum output format thing is my bug report, so I'll write up a summary soon. Re the call for new

md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-07 Thread Ian Jackson
This bug has been sitting on our todo list for some time, mainly because I've been too slack. My apologies. As promised, I'm now picking it up again. I've gone and reread the bug reports #164591 and #164889, of which I'm the submitter of the latter, and I've written a summary of my position,

Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): It's probably not unreasonable, however, for programs designed to work with specifically this md5sum interface to expect the interface to remain the same. When it has already changed more than once (Debian has changed from

Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Scott James Remnant writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): Just stepping the bug aside for a moment; I'm unsure whether it as appropriate for the chairman of the tech-ctte to make a recommendation about a bug they themselves filed. It seems to give you a power to

Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
. 13. We note that the issues surrounding sha1sum are similar to those surrounding md5sum. We have not been asked to rule on sha1sum but expect that if the question arose our decision would be the same. -- Ian Jackson, at home. Local/personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !

2004-05-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !): On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:53:41AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: IME people nearly always put FD ahead of the options they disagree with. However, it's possible for people to think that two options are acceptable, even

Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !

2004-05-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !): amended a ballot A:B:FD count against A in A-vs-B due to the the ^can Ian.

Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): Well, now there are four of us who've replied so it seems we're not going to be lacking in participants, and no-one has criticised my draft, so I hereby formally propose the resolution below. If I don't

Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Jason Gunthorpe writes (Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): I do not object to your draft, if it comes to a vote I will support it. Thanks. However, I fail to see the point of all this. As far as I can tell making this decision, or not, will have no

Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: Proposed resolution Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): Maybe we should do a bit more on Anthony Towns' release policy issue, first. Perhaps so. Several weeks ago I wrote: Anthony, do you still want a formal statement of this from the whole committee

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:28:43 +0100, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Since we are in something of a hurry, and there will be time to clarify the situation at more length later, IMO any grandfather resolution

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
It seems that my previous mail, while having a comment addressed to Anthony in it, wasn't sent to him :-(. Oh well. Anthony, do I take it that you still want the TC to make some kind of formal decision here ? Is there a bug report for this issue ? Anthony, if you would still like a formal

`debian-ctte@d.o' etc. blackhole

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
I hereby propose the following resolution: WE THE DEBIAN TECHNICAL COMMITTEE NOTE THAT 1. The Technical Committee is not merely a mailing list, but a formal institution in the Debian Project, established by the Constitution. 2. People sometimes mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (d.o =

Re: `debian-ctte@d.o' etc. blackhole

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]' etc. blackhole): I hereby propose the following resolution: Oh, two of my test messages were delayed, and I have discovered that some of my assertions in my previous draft were false: 4. Messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: (forw) [debian-ctte-request@lists.debian.org: Re: Posting on the list [pasc@murphy.debian.org: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Frost writes ((forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]): * Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If the alternatives are a moderated list or one that has completely open posting then we will have to go

Re: (forw) [debian-ctte-request@lists.debian.org: Re: Posting on the list [pasc@murphy.debian.org: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]

2004-06-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Frost writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]): The TC isn't the only committee in Debian. [...] FSVO `committee', this is true. But the TC is the only one that's formally established and can't

Re: (forw) [debian-ctte-request@lists.debian.org: Re: Posting on the list [pasc@murphy.debian.org: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]

2004-06-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: (forw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Posting on the list [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]): I can probably live with things the way they are now, as far as spam filtering. You mean that you think the current level of spamfiltering would be

Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !

2004-06-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Our supermajority requirement has changed !): [stuff about voting methods] I think I've lost the plot now. I can't remember what the original point of this subthread was. I think I was trying to convince you that allowing options equal the default option to pass on

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): It seems that my previous mail, while having a comment addressed to Anthony in it, wasn't sent to him :-(. Oh well. Anthony, do I take it that you still want the TC to make some kind of formal decision here ? Um, Anthony ? Can

md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Thanks to everyone for your contributions, and to the voting committee members for your votes. The Technical Committee has passed the following resolution: 1. The Technical Committe has considered the questions raised in Bug#164591 and Bug#164889, concerning the output format from

Default options (Technical Committee supermajority) - pointer

2004-06-09 Thread Ian Jackson
I've just posted a message to the debian-vote list about a bug I think I've found in the Condorcet/Cloneproof-SSD GR's amendments to the vote counting arrangements. I didn't include you all in the CC list of my posting because you probably don't want to get flooded with mail discussions about it.

Bug#254598: Name of the Debian x86-64/AMD64 port

2004-06-17 Thread Ian Jackson
I'm posting my substantive reply to the debian-ctte list (only) - please find it, and follow up, there. Ian.

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Pascal Hakim writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): Speaking with my listmaster hat on, that's certainly possible, but I don't believe it will help non-subscribers or subscribers posting with a different address all that much. I guess every little bit helps however. Is it

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): I deal with spam on about a dozen debian mailing lists, and I see this list as little different. I heartily recommend crm114 to people who want to eliminate spam from their inboxes. Presumably crm114 is a spamfilter of

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Pascal Hakim writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): I take back what I said actually. The signature checker is very brittle, and it already stops a number of valid messages from people who want to post on the gpg-restricted lists such as debian-devel-annouce or

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Wichert Akkerman writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): It runs from procmail, so basically: * receive the post on stdin * return accept/bounce flag via returncode Blars Blarson writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): * the system being used is heavily overloaded, so few

Re: [Fwd: Re: Bug#254598: Name of the Debian x86-64/AMD64 port]

2004-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: [Fwd: Re: Bug#254598: Name of the Debian x86-64/AMD64 port]): Pretty much all of these lead me to conclude that we should resolve along the following lines: I was slightly unclear about whether that was a formal proposal, and in any case didn't call for a vote

Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output

2004-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Adam Heath writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): Please don't do anything to resolve this bug, until I have had time to write a proper reply. How soon can we expect that to be ? Adam Heath writes (Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output): There are issues not

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Wichert Akkerman writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): Do you want to store the original message on the server? That might grow to become a large database. It could be pruned daily of course. Indeed. The original message wouldn't have to be kept very long. Perhaps we should support

Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam

2004-06-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephen Stafford writes (Re: debian-ctte mailing list and spam): This looks like a fairly good plan, however it will mean that virtually all the spam (which the point is to try to minimise) gets bounced back to the (probably) forged return-path, thereby sending spam to some poor unfortunate.

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Reading debian-vote, I think it would be helpful if we stated our opinion formally. There still seems to be some dispute. I therefore hereby propose the following resolution and call for a vote. I'm hoping we can get enough of the TC to vote in favour to get an official resolution well before

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): Reading debian-vote, I think it would be helpful if we stated our opinion formally. There still seems to be some dispute. I therefore hereby propose the following resolution and call for a vote. I'm hoping we can get enough

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): I've been trying to decide what I think about that resolution. If it's difficult to decide then perhaps I should draft a simpler version that makes it easier :-). Ian.

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-06-30 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): I don't think the ctte should be recommending how to vote. [...] Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge): I agree with the first part of this. [...] I strongly feel we should not be in

Re: [ssta@clothcat.org: Re: c/r for nonsubscribers Re: Posting on the list [pasc@murphy.debian.org: Re: md5sum FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]

2004-06-30 Thread Ian Jackson
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 03:36:08PM -0500, david nicol wrote: We could demand SPF listing or c/r, until junk all has SPF. I'm strongly opposed to SPF, mainly because the technical details are insane. See for example what I said in RISKS: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.18.html#subj10 Ian.

Re: release policy

2004-07-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (release policy): Attached, below, is AJ's release critical policy, in the context of sarge. I'm thinking we should ratify it, as is. As soon as possible. Gads, do we really need to ratify the entire text of this document ? I'm thinking we should ratify a changed

Re: Bug#266837: rpvm_0.6.2-1_hppa: FTBFS: relocation R_PARISC_DPREL21L can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

2004-09-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Thanks to Raul, Bdale and Steinar for comments and suggestions. At Bdale's request I have deleted the old paragraph 17 (which contemplated the rpvm maintainer closing their bug). So ... I hereby propose the following resolution and call for an immediate vote: It appears that everyone agrees

Re: Bug#266837: rpvm_0.6.2-1_hppa: FTBFS: relocation R_PARISC_DPREL21L can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

2004-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Bdale Garbee writes (Re: Bug#266837: rpvm_0.6.2-1_hppa: FTBFS: relocation R_PARISC_DPREL21L can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC): [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Jackson) writes: 16. If the rpvm maintainer is of the opinion that there is no change needed to rpvm

Re: Technical Committee web page

2002-06-28 Thread Ian Jackson
are not yet recorded here, and there have not yet been any since then. h3Formal recommendations and opinions/h3 The committee has not yet issued any non-binding recommendations or opinions. h3Formal nontechnical and procedural decisions/h3 ul li2002-01-31 Appointed Ian Jackson as chairman, following

Re: Technical Committee web page

2002-06-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Josip Rodin writes (Re: Technical Committee web page): Done, thanks. It'll appear at http://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte shortly. Thanks. Could you make some links to it, somewhere, possibly ? For example, http://www.debian.org/intro/organization could do with `Technical Committee' being

Technical Committee decision Re: Name of [the] x86-64/AMD64 port

2004-06-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Thanks to everyone for your contributions, and to the voting committee members for your votes. The Technical Committee has passed the following resolution: The Technical Committee have considered the question of the name of the Debian x86-64/AMD64 port. We resolve that: * In our opinion

Re: Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman hartmans@debian.org] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes (Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?): Hi. I posted the following message to debian-devel last night and have received agreement with the summary and apparently (it was not explicitly

Ian Jackson in New Zealand

2002-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Work are sending me to Asiacrypt, which is in Queenstown from the 1st to the 5th of December. I'm also going to be taking some time in NZ for sightseeing etc. So firstly, I'm going to be away from my email for quite a bit. I may have some access from NZ, but hotel connectivity is strange and my

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Well, there's certainly a lot of hot air. And the situation is rather unfortunate. It seems to me that: * The social contract as amended is unambiguous, and prevents the release of sarge as-is. Therefore: * The Developers must decide whether to waive or amend the social contract. If

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