Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst 
[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
> *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
> i3:

Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)

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Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Axel Beckert 
Hi,

Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]:
> > [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > I mean, who needs a desktop?

You mean a bloaty, shiny desktop environment?

> > > A background?

Haven't seen mine in months. I think it's broken for a year or two now
anyways. There's only a single tile shown despite it should be
repeated. But I don't care as only see it very occassionally.

> > > Overlapping windows?

Are you crazy? Nobody wants that! That's horribly inefficient! No nicely
aligned windows either!

> > > We the *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window
> > > manager, such as
> > > i3:
> > 
> > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)


Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1
because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra
package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-(

So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and
seems to have all the features I need since 4.x...

> Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for
> masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-)

... and has proper config files. Awesome 2.x was indeed awesome as it
didn't have that annoying lua-drawback.


Oh, and btw.:
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=awesome,i3-wm_installed=on_vote=on_legend=on=1

> (hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?)

Nope. ;-)

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Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Hubert Chathi 
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:47:40 -0600, Gunnar Wolf  said:

> Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]:
>> [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We
>> the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager,
>> such as > i3:
>> 
>> Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)

> Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for
> masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-)

That's true.  Everyone knows that Haskell is the best configuration file
format.  I mean, what could be clearer than:

myWorkspaceHook = composeAll . concat $ [
  [composeOne . concat $ [
  [isFullscreen -?> doFullFloat],
  [isDialog -?> doFloat],
  [className =? c -?> doFloat | c <- ["XCalc", "Quodlibet", 
"Sflphone-client-gnome", "Fbpanel", "Grpn", "Gsimplecal", "Orage"]],
  [appName =? c -?> doFloat | c <- ["bashrun2-run-dialog", 
"bashrun2-terminal"]],
  [title =? "Whisker Menu" -?> doFloat],
  [className =? c -?> doIgnore | c <- ["Cairo-clock", "Xfce4-notifyd", 
"Screenkey"]],
  [stringProperty "WM_WINDOW_ROLE" =? "pop-up" -?> doFloat],
  [transience],
  [title =? "org-password" -?> insertPosition Below Newer],
  [title =? "org-password-personal" -?> insertPosition Below Newer]
  ]],
  [composeOne . concat $ [
  [title =? "Gnus" -?> doShift emailWS],
  [className =? "Emacs" -?> viewShift emacsWS]
  ]],
  [className =? c --> doShift emailWS | c <- ["Zimbra", "Evolution", 
"Chandler", "Claws-mail", "Icedove"]]
  ]
  where viewShift = doF . liftM2 (.) W.view W.shift

?

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Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf 
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]:
> [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]
> 
> On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
> > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
> > i3:
> 
> Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)

Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for
masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-)

(hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?)

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Matthew Moore 

On 2016-02-05 06:45:49 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
*real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
i3:


Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)


I think you meant to say xmonad here. It provably will not crash.

MM

DE discussions

2016-02-05 Thread Amruth Chand 
Hey, why ain't anyone bringing in dwm? Sure, no config is a bummer... But just 
a few thousand lines of code sure makes it compile fast. Add dmenu and 
powerline and it is pretty awesome!

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread gregor herrmann 
On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:09:04 +0100, Axel Beckert wrote:

> > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1
> because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra
> package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-(

And because 3.5 changed configuration file syntax.

Anyway, good to see I'm not alone:

% apt-cache policy awesome
awesome:
  Installed: 3.4.15-1+b1
  Candidate: 3.5.6-1
  Version table:
 3.5.6-1 990
500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
990 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
 *** 3.4.15-1+b1 500
500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 3.4.13-1 500
500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian oldstable/main amd64 Packages

 
> So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and
> seems to have all the features I need since 4.x...

Same here. My current opinion is: use aweseome as long as it works,
then switch to i3. (I was also late to switch from ion3 to awesome.)
 
Cheers,
gregor

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