Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:47:34 +, Aigars Mahinovs said: > You can make a openstack-fuel-agent package and it will be clear that > it is useless to people that do not know what openstack is. ... Not necessarily: "openstack-fuel-agent" (by itself) can just as easily be

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, 21:58 Thomas Goirand, wrote: > Could we have this discussion in the OpenStack PKG list instead? It > doesn't feel like this list is the appropriate one. I also don't believe > that any of the people writing in this thread are OpenStack users, are > you guys?

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/21/2016 08:08 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Thomas Goirand dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 06:46:47PM +0200]: >> In the general case, I'd agree. But we're not talking about "a package" >> here, but about a complete *suite* of a complex cloud system. >> >> The argument is that you can't use OpenStack

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:00 PM Hubert Chathi wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:53:50 +, Aigars Mahinovs > said: > > > I don't want to use OpenStack. I want to find a fuel logging > > application to keep track of the expenses in my car. I search packages

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:53:50 +, Aigars Mahinovs said: > I don't want to use OpenStack. I want to find a fuel logging > application to keep track of the expenses in my car. I search packages > for "fuel" and find Fuel. So I install it. ... First of all, I don't see a

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 06:46:47PM +0200]: > In the general case, I'd agree. But we're not talking about "a package" > here, but about a complete *suite* of a complex cloud system. > > The argument is that you can't use OpenStack without at least learning > what the components

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/21/2016 05:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > > This argument seems to suppose that no-one unfamiliar with a package > > ever reads its name. This is an astonishing assumption. > > In the general case, I'd agree. But we're

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/21/2016 05:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > Thomas Goirand writes ("Re: Package naming rant"): >> On 04/18/2016 11:43 AM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >>> There could be a simple rule of thumb - if the name of the package makes >>> sense and is correctly understood without it being in the openstack >>>

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Goirand writes ("Re: Package naming rant"): > On 04/18/2016 11:43 AM, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > > There could be a simple rule of thumb - if the name of the package makes > > sense and is correctly understood without it being in the openstack > > context, then it can exist without the

Re: Package naming rant

2016-04-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/20/2016 07:54 PM, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:26:26AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> Moving forward, what I would like to see is an easy to use shell tool to >> do what's needed. For example, something like this: >> >> debtags -kAC6B43FE -p python-shotgun \ >> -t