Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
Hi Axel, On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 07:09:04PM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote: > Hi, > > Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]: > > > [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > I mean, who needs a desktop? > > You mean a bloaty, shiny desktop environment? > > > > > A background? > > Haven't seen mine in months. I think it's broken for a year or two now > anyways. There's only a single tile shown despite it should be > repeated. But I don't care as only see it very occassionally. Translucent terminals FTW ;-) > > > > Overlapping windows? > > Are you crazy? Nobody wants that! That's horribly inefficient! No nicely > aligned windows either! > > > > > We the *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window > > > > manager, such as > > > > i3: > > > > > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) > > > Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1 > because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra > package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-( Never used that. However, reading the description, I'm not very impressed: " It contains: * wicked, a widget manager which can fill them with various system information (CPU or memory usage, network bandwidth, etc); * shifty, an extension implementing dynamic tagging; * obvious, a set of several widgets (WiFi link quality, battery usage, etc), superseding wicked; * vicious, a widget manager; * revelation, expose like functionality; * bashets, use your shell scripts as content providers for widgets; * flaw, object oriented library providing a thin abstraction layer above awesome widgets. " So, that's a widget manager, something else, a widget manager superseding the first, a widget manager, something else, a widget bash thingy, and something "providing a thin abstraction layer [for] widgets" (which is what, another widget manager?) Would you like a widget manager with your widget manager? > So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and > seems to have all the features I need since 4.x... Let me guess, it has widgets? ;-P > > Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for > > masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-) > > and has proper config files. Awesome 2.x was indeed awesome as it > didn't have that annoying lua-drawback. > > > Oh, and btw.: > https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=awesome,i3-wm_installed=on_vote=on_legend=on=1 So i3 is more popular. If I cared about that, I'd be using gnome or KDE, not a tiling window manager. > > (hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?) > > Nope. ;-) Not on this list, at least :-) -- < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules, and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too. -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12
Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as > i3: Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) -- It is easy to love a country that is famous for chocolate and beer -- Barack Obama, speaking in Brussels, Belgium, 2014-03-26
Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
Hi, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]: > > [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] > > > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > I mean, who needs a desktop? You mean a bloaty, shiny desktop environment? > > > A background? Haven't seen mine in months. I think it's broken for a year or two now anyways. There's only a single tile shown despite it should be repeated. But I don't care as only see it very occassionally. > > > Overlapping windows? Are you crazy? Nobody wants that! That's horribly inefficient! No nicely aligned windows either! > > > We the *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window > > > manager, such as > > > i3: > > > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1 because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-( So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and seems to have all the features I need since 4.x... > Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for > masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-) ... and has proper config files. Awesome 2.x was indeed awesome as it didn't have that annoying lua-drawback. Oh, and btw.: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=awesome,i3-wm_installed=on_vote=on_legend=on=1 > (hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?) Nope. ;-) SCNR, Axel -- ,''`. | Axel Beckert, http://people.debian.org/~abe/ : :' : | Debian Developer, ftp.ch.debian.org Admin `. `' | 4096R: 2517 B724 C5F6 CA99 5329 6E61 2FF9 CD59 6126 16B5 `-| 1024D: F067 EA27 26B9 C3FC 1486 202E C09E 1D89 9593 0EDE
Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:47:40 -0600, Gunnar Wolfsaid: > Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]: >> [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] >> >> On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We >> the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, >> such as > i3: >> >> Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) > Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for > masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-) That's true. Everyone knows that Haskell is the best configuration file format. I mean, what could be clearer than: myWorkspaceHook = composeAll . concat $ [ [composeOne . concat $ [ [isFullscreen -?> doFullFloat], [isDialog -?> doFloat], [className =? c -?> doFloat | c <- ["XCalc", "Quodlibet", "Sflphone-client-gnome", "Fbpanel", "Grpn", "Gsimplecal", "Orage"]], [appName =? c -?> doFloat | c <- ["bashrun2-run-dialog", "bashrun2-terminal"]], [title =? "Whisker Menu" -?> doFloat], [className =? c -?> doIgnore | c <- ["Cairo-clock", "Xfce4-notifyd", "Screenkey"]], [stringProperty "WM_WINDOW_ROLE" =? "pop-up" -?> doFloat], [transience], [title =? "org-password" -?> insertPosition Below Newer], [title =? "org-password-personal" -?> insertPosition Below Newer] ]], [composeOne . concat $ [ [title =? "Gnus" -?> doShift emailWS], [className =? "Emacs" -?> viewShift emacsWS] ]], [className =? c --> doShift emailWS | c <- ["Zimbra", "Evolution", "Chandler", "Claws-mail", "Icedove"]] ] where viewShift = doF . liftM2 (.) W.view W.shift ? -- Hubert Chathi -- Jabber: hub...@uhoreg.ca PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA http://www.uhoreg.ca/ Fingerprint: 96C5 012F 5F74 A5F7 1FF7 5291 AF29 C719 124B 61FA
Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]: > [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the > > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as > > i3: > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-) (hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?)
Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
On 2016-02-05 06:45:49 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as i3: Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) I think you meant to say xmonad here. It provably will not crash. MM
Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy
On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:09:04 +0100, Axel Beckert wrote: > > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-) > > Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1 > because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra > package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-( And because 3.5 changed configuration file syntax. Anyway, good to see I'm not alone: % apt-cache policy awesome awesome: Installed: 3.4.15-1+b1 Candidate: 3.5.6-1 Version table: 3.5.6-1 990 500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages 990 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages *** 3.4.15-1+b1 500 500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 3.4.13-1 500 500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian oldstable/main amd64 Packages > So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and > seems to have all the features I need since 4.x... Same here. My current opinion is: use aweseome as long as it works, then switch to i3. (I was also late to switch from ion3 to awesome.) Cheers, gregor -- .''`. Homepage https://info.comodo.priv.at/ - OpenPGP key 0xBB3A68018649AA06 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, and developer - https://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT & SPI, fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Funny Van Dannen: Las Vegas signature.asc Description: Digital Signature