Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-21 Thread Laurent Bigonville
On 19/06/19 22:19, Simon McVittie wrote: [...] I would very much appreciate input from the rest of the team, particularly: - Laurent: I know you've had strong opinions about using Wayland for GNOME. Do you feel strongly that Debian should be defaulting to Wayland? Are there any reasons

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Preserving the rather large CC list for now… On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 06:05:22AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: I feel very uncomfortable with a change as big as this revert happening this late in the release cycle. How big is big? The MR I raised resurrects a patch that changes one line of code,

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm writing with my DPL hat on in the role of a facilitator/mediator. I have no actual power in this situation and it is entirely reasonable to ignore me. I feel very uncomfortable with a change as big as this revert happening this late in the release cycle. I think that my reading of how the

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everyone Am 20.06.19 um 11:12 schrieb Iain Lane: >> I've left some comments on >> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gdm/merge_requests/8 regarding the >> technical side of the proposed change. > Someone could probably look in Ubuntu's gdm3 package to see what we're > doing. We provide

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Iain Lane
Hi Simon, others, Thanks to those involved so far in shepherding this side of the issue along. And also for poking me (repeatedly!) to reply. On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 09:19:49PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 17:33:55 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > So far as I am aware

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey there, Le 19/06/2019 à 22:19, Simon McVittie a écrit : - Ubuntu GNOME team: which recent Ubuntu versions, if any, are using Wayland for their GNOME-based desktop? We don't have any supported Ubuntu version using Wayland by default, our motivations for sticking to Xorg were mostly

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 17:33:55 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > So far as I am aware there is still radio silence from active GNOME > packaging team members regarding this issue. No comment yet on the > patch I adapted, positive or negative; this bug (#927667) remains > at an RC severity.

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-05-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:49:24PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: The status quo of GNOME is that the default *is* Wayland, and if we want the default in Debian to be X11 instead, we have to patch something (as we did in stretch). I firmly believe that distributions sometimes need to diverge from

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-27 Thread Simon McVittie
> What I would really like to see, please, is pointers to the criteria used in > the decision making for switching to Wayland-for-default. I cannot give you those criteria. I don't think there was any sort of formal document listing requirements that had to be met, any more than there was for

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:55:00AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: I forgot to mention before that I've been using a usertag to mark Wayland-related bugs: https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bts-usertags.cgi?tag=wayland=pkg-gnome-maintainers%40lists.alioth.debian.org I've usertagged #928002

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-26 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:50:10 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On the subject of Wayland's readiness to be the default Debian desktop display > system for Buster, I've just filed #928002 to track problems with > drag-and-drop > between X and non-X applications under Wayland (presently filed

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Folks, On the subject of Wayland's readiness to be the default Debian desktop display system for Buster, I've just filed #928002 to track problems with drag-and-drop between X and non-X applications under Wayland (presently filed against firefox but I think it probably belongs somewhere else).

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Simon, Thanks for taking the time to file this, I had been meaning to in the week leading up to Easter but I was unable to get much computer time. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:44:42PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: but I think it would be good to reassess the costs and benefits of Wayland

Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-04-20 Thread Simon McVittie
Package: gnome Version: 1:3.30+1 Severity: important X-Debbugs-Cc: Jonathan Dowland , debian-gtk-gn...@lists.debian.org, debian-desktop@lists.debian.org On the debian-devel mailing list, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I was surprised to learn — by way of synaptic being autoremoved — that > the