Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Greg Stark writes: We've got be be a little more careful with the Replaces header. I just installed the libc6 version of comerr, and dpkg helpfully deinstalled e2fsprogs. I can see a security problem with this. Lets jump ahead several months when we have deity working. A user

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Raul Miller
Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see a security problem with this. Absolutely: pre/post inst/rm scripts run as root, this is the security problem to dwarf all other security problems. Our defense is a wide audience. The more people we have looking at the system, the better

Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-01 Thread David Gaudine
On 30 Nov 1997, Greg Stark wrote: I know i should install a new e2fsprogs, obviously. I was just suggesting we should find some way to avoid the default action being to deinstall packages that aren't really being completely replaced. I'm not sure what better to do though. In this

Re: RFC: Deb 2.0 testing process

1997-12-01 Thread Andy Mortimer
Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The testers are starting to think about how to organized the 2.0 testing effort. One idea that the testers seemed to like is to create a checklist for checking each package. [details snipped] Excellent! If this comes off, I think it will probably

Re: DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT

1997-12-01 Thread Paul J Thompson
Congratulations on a good decision, Bruce. :) DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT The Debian GNU/Linux Distribution is getting enough donations now that we can support the development of free software. We use most donations for our own work, but some outside projects

Re: DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT

1997-12-01 Thread bruce
Oops, I left an SMTP command at the end of that message. Did you see it? Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: RFC: Deb 2.0 testing process

1997-12-01 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : This list can be added to by anyone. What I'd like to ask for now is any : comments on this. A checklist like this is a good idea, particularly if it eventually provides the list of things that initially need to be part of a regression suite for the

Re: DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT

1997-12-01 Thread Will Lowe
On 1 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I left an SMTP command at the end of that message. Did you see it? Yes. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT

1997-12-01 Thread Karl Ferguson
At 04:27 AM 1/12/97 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I left an SMTP command at the end of that message. Did you see it? Yes, we did :-) I hate these me too messages. I wonder how many people will reply with yes, we did now grin. You shouldn't have said anything, Bruce :-) Regards --

Re: Fakeroot error (was Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-12-01 Thread Mark W. Eichin
FAKEROOT: after stat, failing?: known=0, stat=d:i=(2051:196739), mode=0100664, nlink=1, I've seen this too (on an x86 hamm system) but I forget if I filed it. Running fakeroot alien on a .tar.gz file triggered it; the .tar.gz file happenned to have pathnames longer than dpkg can handle

Re: bugs...

1997-12-01 Thread Mark W. Eichin
Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with a package: and version: line in the body, just like the website says (somewhere.) seems to be at fault. My /usr/include/X11 was empty, so the cp failed Any idea how it *got* that way? Were you upgrading (from what) or installing fresh? [you can look at

perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread Adam P. Harris
I don't understand why the debian developers are undertaking to maintain debianified version of Perl modules when the CPAN module and its mechanisms are so much more native to Perl, are well-supported by the Perl community, etc? Besides, Perl already has it's own automated upgrade system (CPAN),

Notice of intent to package...

1997-12-01 Thread Joel Klecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I am working on the following packages: Orphaned packages: macutils mcvert opie New packages: hfs-fs (Macintosh HFS kernel module) zile (Emacs clone) For the time

Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-01 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Yann Dirson wrote: Greg Stark writes: We've got be be a little more careful with the Replaces header. I just installed the libc6 version of comerr, and dpkg helpfully deinstalled e2fsprogs. That's perfectly normal if you previously had e2fsprogs = 1.10-6, which does contain

Re: perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Adam == Adam P Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Adam I don't understand why the debian developers are undertaking to Adam maintain debianified version of Perl modules when the CPAN Adam module and its mechanisms are so much more native to Perl, are Adam well-supported by the Perl community,

Re: perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread Adam P. Harris
Adam I don't understand why the debian developers are undertaking to Adam maintain debianified version of Perl modules when the CPAN Adam module and its mechanisms are so much more native to Perl, are Adam well-supported by the Perl community, etc? [Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]] How

Re: not a first amendment question

1997-12-01 Thread Petri Wessman
On 30 Nov 1997 02:13:23 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: bruce Good healthy sex is fine. The stuff I objected to had nothing bruce to do with sex, it concerned acts only a mentaly ill person bruce would carry out. Ummm... careful with those generalisations. I've gone through some incarnation of

Re: purity package

1997-12-01 Thread David Damerell
On no-time-field?, 30 Nov 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: Sorry. Quake or Doom are silly and stupid; they certainly aren't fun. Normally it's silly to assume your own experience is everyone else's. In a case like this, when it is blatantly obvious that a very large number of people find both games

Re: DEBIAN ANNOUNCES $1000 GRANT TO GNOME PROJECT

1997-12-01 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I left an SMTP command at the end of that message. Did you see it? Yep I was tempted to answer with just :wq quit EXIT ^] ^C eat flaming death :) Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | Studying to be a technomage * [EMAIL

debian-private archives

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Meder
Hi, as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need some background material for voting :-) If possible please in the next couple of days

Re: perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread rdm
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I remove packages using cpan? Can I downgrade to a lower version? Adam P. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure but I don't think so. Probably, if you can think of some cases why you need this functionality, you could ask the

Debian / GNU Linux logo?

1997-12-01 Thread Simon Kagedal
Hi! Just a little note on the chosen new logo: It says Debian / GNU Linux. Isn't the project called Debian GNU/Linux? Just wondering... Otherwise, the logo is very nice. -- Simon Kågedal [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Homepage: http://www.sdf.se/~simon/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail

sed and electric fence

1997-12-01 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Okay, I goofed up somewhat with sed by releasing a package which pre-depended on eletric fence. Sorry about that. But please: STOP reporting bugreports on this! I've fixed it and the new package has already been installed on the FTP site. Thanks, Wichert. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS

Signing PGP key

1997-12-01 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
I am planning to become a developer in the near future. To do so, I will require my PGP key to be signed by at least one developer, but I am unsure of the procedure to do this. Is it necessary to physically meet the signqing developer? If so, I would like to hear from developers who

New package proposal: xpilot-extra

1997-12-01 Thread Pontus Lidman
In the debian distribution, I miss a collection of xpilot utilities, apart from the game itself. Therefore I have the ambition to create a debian package, collecting several such programs into a complementary xpilot-extra package. My main concern is, should I create one package for each utility

Re: Signing PGP key

1997-12-01 Thread ioannis
It is always best to install the xearth package to find Debian developers close to you. Of hand, some developers do live in Florida: I live in Palm Beach, there is one in Miami, and a redneck in Hee Haw junction who spends the night outside 7-11, buying lottery tickets while

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Behan Webster
Brandon Mitchell wrote: I can see a security problem with this. Lets jump ahead several months when we have deity working. A user points deity to several sites, some providing a bunch of debs that they have created but don't want to be part of the main distribution. Now they upload a new

Re: RFC: Deb 2.0 testing process

1997-12-01 Thread Martin Alonso Soto Jacome
Andy Mortimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, if you make this too simplistic, then I fear you're going to miss most of the problems: I'm sure the majority of developers do test their packages at least a little bit before releasing them. I certainly do. But one of the things Debian has been bad

[OFF-TOPIC] Re: not a first amendment question

1997-12-01 Thread Stephen Zander
Petri Wessman wrote: Sigh, someday I'll probably understand the American mentality when it comes to sex (and equating it with violence on the ooo, bad stuff scale). When you do, let me know (and I live there - thought I'm not one) :) Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote: I'd also be interested in some kind of verification, so I can accept all packages put together by some maintainer, and the maintainers on the debian keyring, but no one else. I had exactly the same idea in the previous KDE/virtual package

perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread Adam P. Harris
[You ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] About two months ago, I upgraded a CPAN bundle on a production server. Two interesting things happened: (1) perl itself got upgraded, and (2) wais got upgraded. Huh??? Perl itself? I don't think this is possible. [...] Also, there are CPAN modules whose installation

Re: bugs...

1997-12-01 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Mark W. Eichin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): seems to be at fault. My /usr/include/X11 was empty, so the cp failed Any idea how it *got* that way? Were you upgrading (from what) or installing fresh? [you can look at /var/lib/dpkg/status.yesterday.* for hints, if you don't remember...]

Re: perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread rdm
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About two months ago, I upgraded a CPAN bundle on a production server. Two interesting things happened: (1) perl itself got upgraded, and (2) wais got upgraded. Adam P. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh??? Perl itself? I don't think this is

Re: purity package

1997-12-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30.11.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Nov 30, 1997 at 02:07:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: .. There are some valid arguments why showing violence is bad. No there ain't. There are some valid arguments why people who can't control their violent

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: The default keyring would probably be the developers keyring. The sysadmin could then add new keys of persons/organziations which he/she trusts to that keyring. Comments? Err... yes. Am I the only one seeing a bit of a problem here? (Or am I

searching Orn E. Hansen

1997-12-01 Thread Juergen Menden
does anyone know where i can contact Orn E. Hansen. he was the developer of dialdcost, which i would like to take over. his email-adress [EMAIL PROTECTED] unfortunately bounces. thanks, jjm -- Juergen Menden at work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +49 (89) 289 - 22387 private: [EMAIL

X11 and FDD

1997-12-01 Thread The Miller Family
I use Debian 1.3.1 and was wondering, which package in the msdos-i386 directory is X11. Also, how do I get access to my floppy drive in the text-shell? Please respond. Thank you. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to

Re: purity package

1997-12-01 Thread Alexander E. Apke
Why do we need to take out the offensive part of the package when we already have an example of how to package offensive material. The fortune and fortune-mod package asks during installation if the offensive material should be removed. Why can't we just follow the policy set

[Mailer-Daemon@ods.com: Returned mail: Local configuration error]

1997-12-01 Thread rdm
Anyone know what's up with David Engle's email address? - The following addresses had delivery problems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (unrecoverable error) - Transcript of session follows - 553 icarus.ods.com config error: mail loops back to myself 554 [EMAIL

Re: purity package

1997-12-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell) wrote on 01.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On no-time-field?, 30 Nov 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: Sorry. Quake or Doom are silly and stupid; they certainly aren't fun. Normally it's silly to assume your own experience is everyone else's. In a case like this,

Re: perl module packages: why do they exist?

1997-12-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Harris) wrote on 01.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [You ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] About two months ago, I upgraded a CPAN bundle on a production server. Two interesting things happened: (1) perl itself got upgraded, and (2) wais got upgraded. Huh??? Perl itself? I

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Christian Schwarz wrote: I suggest that we add a new control field to our packages called Origin: (or similar). This could either be set to SPI or Debian, for example. Then, all Debian packages should be signed with some PGP key (either only one key for the whole system or by the

Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)

1997-12-01 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Am I the only one seeing a bit of a problem here? (Or am I missing something I should know?) That is, PGP is non-US. To be able to put PGP in the main distribution, the master FTP site has to be moved off the US. I don't have a problem with

Logo Page updated

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
Hi folks! I'm really happy that we finally have a logo for Debian GNU/Linux! I've just updated the Debian logo pages at http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-logo/ The pages include all new submittions that I've received since the last logo page, the old logo pages and