Re: libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script

1998-01-10 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote: Still one problem. /wg-15-locale/s//wg15-locale/ damn. i thought i got that one this morning. i wont

Re: Emacs20 and mail file locking.

1998-01-10 Thread Rob Browning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: I think that it is probably fine like it is, except that it's not nfs safe without libnfslock. It could probably be rewritten some to call on our liblockfile, rather than doing it internally the way it does. Does xemacs implement maillock itself?

Re: cron jobs more often than daily

1998-01-10 Thread Rob Browning
FWIW, just so you don't think you're by yourself, I think your proposal is superior. What we're talking about here is a simple cron database, and that's something the filesyastem's quite good at -- no scripts needed. Those arguing in favor of making /etc/crontab automatically generated are the

Re: Re^2: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Moin Alex! AY I would like to question the need for this requirement. ??? Aren't you questioning my right to do that? :) AY While this can be of importance to some users, it can be quite AY annoying to others. ??? Please remember, a lot of languages need 8 bit clean programs. Non 8

Re: What's Debian's /usr/src policy

1998-01-10 Thread James R. Van Zandt
Ian Jackson writes: I think that /usr/src should the be domain of the local admin. I agree. My policy is: If the binaries are in /usr/local/bin, then the sources go into usr/local/src. If the binaries are in /bin or /usr/bin, then the sources go into /usr/src. - Jim

Emacsen proposal (assuming silence == acceptance)

1998-01-10 Thread Rob Browning
I'm assuming that since no one commented on this proposal, that no one objects. So I'm going to move forward with this. I can always back off later if there's a big problem, but I just wanted to make sure that there weren't any obvious problems (or a way around the Provides: emacsen instead of

Re: cron jobs more often than daily

1998-01-10 Thread Philip Hands
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, just so you don't think you're by yourself, I think your proposal is superior. What we're talking about here is a simple cron database, and that's something the filesyastem's quite good at -- no scripts needed. Seconded. I was only in favour of

New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread James A . Treacy
Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get our first official mirror in space though. Anybody got connections

Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread Tim Sailer
James A.Treacy wrote: Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get our first official mirror in space

Re: cron jobs more often than daily

1998-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 11:24:42AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 09-Jan-1998 13:03:45, Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . I don't see the need for introducing another directory just for three packages that might need it (ipac, cron, forgot the name). If there was heavy

bo-updates coordination

1998-01-10 Thread David Welton
[please do NOT cc me replies:-] I don't think this is really a matter for debian-private anymore, so I'm moving it to devel. Given the creation of a bo-updates directory for those of us who wish to provide backported versions of hamm packages for bo (thanks Guy!), we now have the possibility

Re: Summary of Package Overlaps -- preliminary

1998-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 11:31:30PM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote: Overlap between sane_0.68-3 and cam_1.02-5: usr/bin/xcam Reported as bug #16786 to sane and #16787 to cam. Both packages install an xcam binary, with different functionality. (almost resolved) Resolved in cam_1.02-6.

Re: Emacsen proposal (assuming silence == acceptance)

1998-01-10 Thread Mark W. Eichin
fine with me; I need to get a new emacs19 release out (sparc-linux patches, among other things :-) fairly soon anyway so the timing is good... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: AucTeX

1998-01-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 03:26:48AM -0900, Britton wrote: On 7 Jan 1998, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: AucTeX is listed as orphaned in wnpp; I'm willing to take over its maintenance if nobody objects. I think this might be because teTeX has now replaced AucTeX as the Debian TeX/LaTeX

Re: Is there a maintainer for the install doc?

1998-01-10 Thread Guy Maor
Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be sensible to fix the ftp site. There is a debian/upgrades directory that contains hopelessly out-of-date info. Beginning of the README says: That directory is for people upgrading from 0.93R6 (libc4), when dpkg didn't have

Re: cannot access bug tracking database

1998-01-10 Thread Guy Maor
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again? Why again? Maybe we should install a cronjob to set the bit? Would it have to run more than once a day? Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: please tell me about release-critical bugs

1998-01-10 Thread Guy Maor
Rather than maintaining this list, why don't you just set the severity of any normal release-critical bugs to important? That's what important is for! Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: bo-updates coordination

1998-01-10 Thread Guy Maor
David Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bash libreadline2 I'm willing to advise anyone that want to tackle this. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: Emacsen proposal (assuming silence == acceptance)

1998-01-10 Thread James LewisMoss
On 09 Jan 1998 20:25:17 -0500, Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Rob I'm assuming that since no one commented on this proposal, that Rob no one objects. So I'm going to move forward with this. I can Rob always back off later if there's a big problem, but I just Rob wanted to make sure

Re: netpbm status?

1998-01-10 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Jan 08, Frank Neumann wrote: I also pointed Susan to a collegue of mine, Ingo Wilken, who is sort-of trying to maintain netpbm since it was abandoned by this swedish guy whose names escapes me at the moment..anyway, Ingo wants to release a new netpbm some day, and I believe it will help

faqomatic needs a leader

1998-01-10 Thread James A . Treacy
I used the term leader for lack of a better term. For those that don't know, faqomatic is a program for creating web pages to distribute information. What makes it interesting is that users can add information to the pages if the creator wishes. Each page has a 'maintainer' who has total control

Re: interactive sound configuration utility

1998-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 01:23:06PM -0500, Steve Dunham wrote: be GPL'd. Aside from this, we should try to keep ours as close to theirs as possible so we can pass improvements back to them. I just tried it out, and then spent several minutes fixing up my sound configuration in

port 80 connections persist after closing Netscape

1998-01-10 Thread Oliver Elphick
I use Netscape for browsing, diald for managing connections. When I close Netscape, I often find that connections on port 80 suddenly get revived. I can use dctrl to tell diald to close the call, and this terminates existing instances of port 80 connections. However, after a few seconds, they

boot disks

1998-01-10 Thread carly
I need some kind of disk to boot up some older 386's IBM ps1,everex where would I go to get this together? Are they all different or is there some kind of universal protocal? Thanx G Morton -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: perl5.004 for bo

1998-01-10 Thread David Morton
On 08-Jan-98 Kai Henningsen wrote: That made me reread that message. Nope, my first impression still holds. Our customers on the phone are usually not like that. Hey, your product is broken, you are idiots for breaking it, I'm going to install the competitor's product? No. Don't get

Re: perl5.004 for bo - last post

1998-01-10 Thread David Morton
Ok, Folks, I will make one concession. My message did come out of the blue to a lot of you. The support I had been seeking was on IRC. For that oversight, I apologize. I still think my language was civil, although firm, and was worded so as to be sure to kindle some action. A flame? A

Re: Linux Kernel list???

1998-01-10 Thread Martin Schulze
On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 03:41:31PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: I was subscribed to linux kernel. I haven't received anything since Dec. 29. I have tried resubscribing several times. I even resent the original subscrition that got me started. I keep getting emails back saying user [EMAIL

Re: please tell me about release-critical bugs

1998-01-10 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 9 Jan 1998, Guy Maor wrote: Rather than maintaining this list, why don't you just set the severity of any normal release-critical bugs to important? That's what important is for! Yes, I'll use the bug tracking system for maintaining that list, but I don't want to hide the list in the bug

Re: bo-updates coordination

1998-01-10 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, David Welton wrote: [snip] Please look over the relevant section in the policy manual. Note, that the policy for bo-unstable is included in the README file in the bo-unstable directory (on our ftp server). Another thing: Some maintainers have already back-ported some

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Adam P. Harris
Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory space. All shared libraries included in the Debian

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory

Re: port 80 connections persist after closing Netscape

1998-01-10 Thread Raul Miller
Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk wrote: Can anyone tell me what is going on and how to stop it? Sounds like socket shutdown. If so, the right way would be to tell diald about such packets so it ignores them. The quick and dirty way would be to shut down diald for a few minutes. -- Raul -- TO

Re: port 80 connections persist after closing Netscape

1998-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 08:57:32AM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: I use Netscape for browsing, diald for managing connections. When I close Netscape, I often find that connections on port 80 suddenly get revived. I can use dctrl to tell diald to close the call, and this terminates existing

Re: perl5.004 for bo

1998-01-10 Thread Martin Schulze
On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 04:02:22AM -0600, David Morton wrote: AS you said, what support? I guess the mistake I made was thinking that IRC is a vilid means of support. All the answers I got on IRC were not usable, and mostly along the line of go fix it yourself. Well, usually, I have no

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yukhimets) wrote on 09.01.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moin Alex! AY I would like to question the need for this requirement. ??? Aren't you questioning my right to do that? :) No, but it hardly seems reasonable to question this requirement. AY While this can

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
You can't satisfy all users anyway. In addition, I would hate to be able to switch to russian keyboard mode (by mistake) and enter some letters which look just like English ones in the editor I use for _programming_. OTOH, many people'd be upset not to be able to insert comments using

Re: Re^2: Debian 2.0 release requirements (8bits)

1998-01-10 Thread Tommi Virtanen
On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 08:11:10PM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Aren't you questioning my right to do that? :) AY While this can be of importance to some users, it can be quite AY annoying to others. ??? Please remember, a lot of languages need 8 bit clean programs. Non 8 bit clean

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: Please note, that we are not talking about `dynamically linked binaries' (which has been implemented a long time ago) but about `shared libraries being linked dynamically against other libraries', that is, if you, say, build the libmysql.so shared

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Richard Braakman
Adam P. Harris wrote: Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [linking shared libraries against other libraries] As far as I can tell, it does not save disk and memory space. However, I am rather new at this. Feel free to correct me. You are wrong. Shared libraries are

Re:libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script

1998-01-10 Thread Igor Grobman
This version should be close to good enough. The major change since the last one that was posted is the ability to upgrade from files in the current dir instead of a local mirror requirement. This script still needs testing. --cut here-- #! /bin/sh # upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6

Re: libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script

1998-01-10 Thread Tim Sailer
Igor Grobman wrote: This version should be close to good enough. The major change since the last one that was posted is the ability to upgrade from files in the current dir instead of a local mirror requirement. llug.sep.bnl.gov is a public nfs mount for debian. You can point the

Re: port 80 connections persist after closing Netscape

1998-01-10 Thread Oliver Elphick
Raul Miller wrote: Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk wrote: Can anyone tell me what is going on and how to stop it? Sounds like socket shutdown. If so, the right way would be to tell diald about such packets so it ignores them. The quick and dirty way would be to shut down diald for

Re: Emacsen proposal (assuming silence == acceptance)

1998-01-10 Thread Rob Browning
James LewisMoss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no problem with it, but please don't make it conflict. It won't add anything and will just cause problems (as far as I understand the proposal there are no overlapping files, so a conflict won't do anything but add an artificial conflict).

Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread Shaya Potter
Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get our first official mirror in space though. Anybody got connections

Re: strange dynamic linking

1998-01-10 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamish Moffatt) wrote on 10.01.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I happened to copy the libc5 badblocks binaries onto my libc6 system, for a project I'm working on, and for curiousity's sake, ran ldd on it; [10:12am] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:DLX.lilo/rd-tree/bin# ldd ./badblocks

2 versions of netcat

1998-01-10 Thread Joey Hess
I just noticed that 2 versions of netcat are in incoming. Last night, I didn't realize this, and assumming that netcat was libc and noboday was working on it, I decided to fix it, and uploaded version 1.10-4. (I'm not the maintainer either, but I assummed the package was orphaned, so didn't do a

Re: Summary of Package Overlaps -- preliminary

1998-01-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Overlap between amanda-client_2.3.0.4-2 and amanda_2.3.0.4-2: :usr/lib/amanda/amcat.awk :usr/lib/amanda/amplot.awk :usr/lib/amanda/amplot.g :usr/lib/amanda/amplot.gp :usr/lib/amanda/versionsuffix :usr/man/man8/amplot.8.gz :

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Yes, but if I sent you a message containing some russian leters you wouldn't see them the way I see anyway. The same thing for every other language. 8-bit clean e-mail message is not the one to send to

Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread Amos Shapira
James A. Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now |have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that |Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are |being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get Does anyone know the

Re: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux

1998-01-10 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
w == Work-Needing and Prospective Packages. [...] WNPP 3. Orphaned packages [...] WNPP Helmut Geyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [...] WNPP o lacheck (libc5) [...] I will take care of lacheck as the maintainer. Thanks, Davide G. M. Salvetti - IW5DZC [JN53fr] Take a look at Debian GNU/Linux:

Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Neat idea (a mirror in space), but unlikely to happen. : Hey, doesn't Bdale build satellites? :) Yep. See www.amsat.org for more details... specifically, what I'm working on today (literally) is documented at:

Re: bo-updates coordination

1998-01-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Given the creation of a bo-updates directory for those of us who wish to : provide backported versions of hamm packages for bo (thanks Guy!), we now : have the possibility to do this. I'd encourage the packaging and release of a fresher xntp3/xntp3-doc

/usr/bin disappeared. Do we really follow FSSTND?

1998-01-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- A friend of mine has a machine on the net whose /usr/bin directory has disappeared. The machine has a Debian mirror, so any package is available to be installed again, however: `dpkg' was in /usr/bin, so currently there is no package manager. `ftp' was also in

Re: imap4

1998-01-10 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Adam Heath wrote: | On Friday, 9 January 98, at 10:16:39 AM | Jaldhar wrote about imap4 Dale, you mentioned a couple of days ago that you had orphaned imap4 and someone else was going to upgrade it to libc6 etc. Has that person gotten back to you? The reason I ask

RFC: ideas on Restructering the dist

1998-01-10 Thread Shaya Potter
Last week, I posted some ideas to debian-private, however, it seems to have been read widely, as not a lot of people have responded to it, and the people that have, have mostly been about the language used. I am therefore resending it, however, this time to debian-devel (which is probably more

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Alex, this is much simpler than you think. I will give you a simple example: My keyboard has a key for the \~n letter (using TeX notation) which is used in the Spanish language. When I press that key, I *expect* to produce such character. Not obtaining that letter but some other is

Re: Anyone working on new lyx version?

1998-01-10 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 01:26:22PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: Did anyone take over lyx? It seems as if we're close the release of a new stable version. I took it over. I haven't done anything to it until now, because of the lack of a libc6-based xforms (and you (IIRC) beat me to it once there

kde* packages

1998-01-10 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
reminder : the kde packages still need a new maintainer, i orphaned them several weeks ago. there are several bugs, but the bug database contains also fix infomations for several of them. keep the packages in unstable as long as you like (hamm, and following unstables), but unless someone fixes

Re: /usr/bin disappeared. Do we really follow FSSTND?

1998-01-10 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Santiago Vila wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- A friend of mine has a machine on the net whose /usr/bin directory has disappeared. The machine has a Debian mirror, so any package is available to be installed again, however: `dpkg' was in /usr/bin, so

Re: imap4

1998-01-10 Thread Mark Baker
On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Thanks but I was able to solve the pw_encrypt problem on my own. Apparently in libc6 you can just replace it with crypt(). I tried that and it didn't work: have you tested it? Maybe I just did something silly. -- TO

Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread James A . Treacy
Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get our first official mirror in space though. Anybody got

Re: strange dynamic linking

1998-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 06:34:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamish Moffatt) wrote on 10.01.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [10:12am] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:DLX.lilo/rd-tree/bin# ldd ./badblocks libext2fs.so.2 = /lib/libext2fs.so.2 (0x4000b000) libcom_err.so.2 =