Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:16:23PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: How many people foward ssh agents and put that key in their home .ssh/authorized_keys? What does that mean? It could easily be that I am doing something wrong without even

Re: ATTN: pjw@edmc.net

2000-04-02 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 11:19:40PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Blacklisters may have the right to speak and *say* what they think I should do, but they have no right to be heard. Your post only rated a 1.5 on my trollometer. Please try harder. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 31, 2000

2000-04-02 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:13:38AM -0800, esoR ocsirF wrote: Caution, IANAD. Just tring to help Package: cricket (debian/main) Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 56948 cricket depends on non-existant package Package: ftp.debian.org (pseudo) Maintainer: Guy Maor [EMAIL

Re: [Election Results] Official and Final

2000-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:14:47AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 02:43:19PM -0800, Seth R Arnold wrote: The ballots came from: 216 people, if I counted right (wc(1) :). So much for the `300 active developers' vaporware, even if you include dissidents et al...

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:00:20PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 12:55:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: But unfortunately that's not quite the choice I have either, since for some reason that I can't fathom, people seem to think that a dinstall key would be an

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:38:29PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I could not trust either. The former, because it is stored on a network connected machine, the latter because it is transfered over the net (if it is shared among the security team). Of course, if the security team use their

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:36:44PM -0600, Zed Pobre wrote: Also, what's so fundamentally wrong with transferring a secret key over the net? Hint: PGP does it every time you send an encrypted email. Either you are using the phrase secret key in a context with which I am unfamiliar, or you

WARNING: problems with postgresql-7.0-0.beta3.[12]

2000-04-02 Thread Oliver Elphick
I have had some serious bug reports about this release (see bugs 61515 and 61573). If you are tracking woody (unstable) this may affect you. Please do not let the postgresql packages be upgraded automatically; put them on hold. If you decide to upgrade, make absolutely sure you have a backup of

Re: ITP John the ripper

2000-04-02 Thread Christian Kurz
On 00-03-26 Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 03:39:24PM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote: as jsut discussed on debian-devel, I would like to package John the Ripper. If someone already has done or is working on it, please mail me, then I will stop packing it. Otherwise I will try

Re: glibc-compat ???

2000-04-02 Thread Konstantin Kivi
On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 05:34:20PM +0100, Robert Varga wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: However I don't really like 8i, since it needs much more (and it should be written as MUCH MORE) resources than 8.0.5. I know there is one aspect of using 8i on linux when compared

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 31, 2000

2000-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Ben Collins wrote: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:13:38AM -0800, esoR ocsirF wrote: Caution, IANAD. Just tring to help Package: cricket (debian/main) Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 56948 cricket depends on non-existant package Package:

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Bart Schuller
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:46:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: PGP (v2.x, I'm not uptodate with the recent OpenPGP stuff), generates a secret (albeit symmetric, rather than public/private keypair) IDEA key everytime you try to encrpt a message. It encrypts the message with this key, then

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:36:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:38:29PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I could not trust either. The former, because it is stored on a network connected machine, the latter because it is transfered over the net (if it is shared among

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 02:49:40PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: In the signed .debs case, I, as a developer, assert that the package comes from me. A user can directly verify this by checking the signature. No, the user cannot verify that.

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:16:23PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Wrong. If you have signed debs, and you are careful when updating the debian-keyring package, there is no risk even if master is compromised. Hahha! Sorry, your are deluded

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:18:17PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Now link 2. It is currently absent. What you seem to suggest is to add a key (dinstall-key) here, so the user can verify the archive. This adds a point of weakness. As the dinstall key can't be used automatically and kept

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 01:33:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: As dinstall verifies the keys on the packages (which already exist, btw, they are just not propagated), it puts itself in the middle of the chain: Well, as Jason points out, they are propogated: by the -devel-changes list.

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 04:56:59PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 03:16:23PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: How many people foward ssh agents and put that key in their home .ssh/authorized_keys? What does that mean?

END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-02 Thread Rodrigo Castro
Hello, Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I don't know if I should). I really need your help, I tried everything I know and I can't make my Emacs work with END key, when it is in Xterm. - All programs have right key configuration - Emacs

Re: END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-02 Thread Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong
Rodrigo == Rodrigo Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I don't know if I should). I really need your help, I tried everything I know and I can't make my Emacs work with END key, when it is in Xterm.

[PROPOSAL] update-binfmts - manages the binfmt_misc kernel module

2000-04-02 Thread Colin Watson
Hi all, I've been working on javawrapper, a utility which uses the binfmt_misc kernel module to let you execute Java classes like any other program - './MyProgram.class' instead of 'java MyProgram.class'. For those of you unfamiliar with binfmt_misc, the documentation is in

Re: dwww: cat and file (pipe race condition)

2000-04-02 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 10:03:14AM -0500, Daniel Martin wrote: Well, if I do a $process | file -b - | magic2mime where $process is anything that produces a large amount of output slowly, then the process is killed by a SIGPIPE in short order. If, however, I do: $process | (file -b -;

Re: ATTN: pjw@edmc.net

2000-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but you have not the right (what loaded words!) to close the bug reports. Feel free to ignore them, but don't close them without a better reason. If communication with the reporter is necessary to fix the bug, and this communication is broken

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 10:48:54PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: No. Currently there is NO chain of verification (I should not have said trust, it's the wrong term. Sorry). So you agree that it would be an improvement? However, it doesn't establish a complete chain of verification from the

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: There is an existing single-point vulnerability in *every* mirror. Compromise the mirror and you can compromise every single Debian user who upgrades from that mirror. You don't even have to try touching anything at *.debian.org. Yes, and I'd very

Re: [PROPOSAL] update-binfmts - manages the binfmt_misc kernel module

2000-04-02 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: 3) Where should this go? The obvious place is dpkg, but am I being too arrogant there? It feels too small for its own package, though. I like the idea, but I think it should go in its own package, like menu. For one thing, a lot

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-02 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi, I think the answer is this: it is felt by debian developers that pgcc deserves more: it should be included in its own architecture, You may know that we have the architecture called 'i386', well, pgcc would come in the architecture called 'i586' with the idea that all packages in debian

Re: END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-02 Thread Rodrigo Castro
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 11:14:16AM -0400, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote: Rodrigo == Rodrigo Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I don't know if I should). I really need your help, I tried everything I

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-02 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:11:44AM -0700, Jim Lynch wrote: I think the answer is this: it is felt by debian developers that pgcc deserves more: it should be included in its own architecture, You may know that we have the architecture called 'i386', well, pgcc would come in the architecture

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On my home machine, I have an identity in .ssh/identity.pub. I copied that into .ssh/authorized_keys on master (possibly using the LDAP system). I *also* copied it into .ssh/authorized_keys on my home machine. That extra copy on my home machine

Re: [PROPOSAL] update-binfmts - manages the binfmt_misc kernel module

2000-04-02 Thread Colin Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: 3) Where should this go? The obvious place is dpkg, but am I being too arrogant there? It feels too small for its own package, though. I like the idea, but I think it should go in its own package, like

Re: Pgcc in Deb

2000-04-02 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi, So the original question remains: is there a simple pgcc available somewhere? -Jim --- Jim Lynch Finger for pgp key as Laney College CIS admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.laney.edu/~jim/ as Debian developer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~jwl/

NMU of debianutils (was: Re: (Bug horizon) Problem bugs)

2000-04-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Mar-00, 13:01 (CST), Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-Mar-00, 05:43 (CST), Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: debianutils (debian/main). Maintainer: Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 59121 run-parts hangs during /etc/cron.daily runs There's a reasonable

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 2 Apr 2000, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: Solution: remove the identity from .ssh/authorized_keys on my home machine. Note that *any* keys that your agent holds can be snarfed by the admin(s) of any hosts where you ssh-in with agent forwarding enabled. No, that is the point of ssh-agent.

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Marcus, On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:32:04PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: No, the user cannot verify that. The user can check the signature against our keyring but they have no idea who *should* have signed it. It seems to be hard to understand, so I will explain it one more time:

Re: Ian Jackson, please get me the hell off your blacklist.

2000-04-02 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 11:08:53PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 11:18:47PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: your right to free speech does not include the right to force anyone else to listen. Then this principle must

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: This is a seperate problem. I agree that this should not be the case, but it has no place in this discussion. If individual developer keys are compromised, we have a problem no matter what. Developers should not store secret keys on net connected

Re: END Key in Emacs (only in Xterm)

2000-04-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 10:48:24AM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote: Sorry for sending this message again and sorry for sending to devel (I don't know if I should). I really need your help, I tried everything I know and I can't make my Emacs work with END key, when it is in Xterm. If you're

ITP: lirc, devfsd

2000-04-02 Thread Tom Lees
I have packaged LIRC and will upload it later today or tomorrow if noone objects. LIRC is Linux Infra-red Remote Control support, see http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/index.html Similarly, I have packaged devfsd (http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/). This one still needs a couple of

Re: Signing Packages.gz

2000-04-02 Thread Chris Frey
Chris Frey wrote: I'm curious how this issue is going to be handled now that it has been discussed. (The archives don't seem to be seeing any new messages on this topic.) What has to occur before this cryptographic signing of Packages actually happens? Oops, the recent mail archive update