Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Joshua Cummings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is just a suggestion/idea, and if it's stupid, feel free to flame me. Why not develop some sort of apt-build based net install that allows the user to download source archives and optimize the packages to the architecture etc. specified in the

Re: Flame against non-free burning, time to think.

2002-11-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About 8 packages in non-free are in the process of being removed > entirely from both testing and unstable. After this happens, the > difference in the number of non-free packages between slink and sid > will be +1. That probably doesn't count the on

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:47:48AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:24:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > > After verifying the signature on the data, the receiver does some sanity > > > checks. One of the checks is doing an md5sum over the entire file >

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Adam Heath
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:43:28AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > This could me especially amusing if the first, delayed email was: > > > > cd /tmp > > > > And the second was: > > > > rm -rf * > > > > (Dumb contrived example, but you get the idea.) > > I th

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:32:22AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > That's why I suggest using either a challenge/response authentification > (if the mail is lost, you have to ask for a new challenge and the > previous mail won't be accepted if it is delayed), or one-time passwords > (every time yo

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:43:28AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > This could me especially amusing if the first, delayed email was: > > cd /tmp > > And the second was: > > rm -rf * > > (Dumb contrived example, but you get the idea.) I think the lesson here is that grunt is not a transparent rep

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Joey Hess
John Goerzen wrote: > Grunt doesn't preserve any notion of a session It doesn't need to: the unix filesystem already does. I said that was a contrived example, but I'm sure you will find some real ones eventually. Slightly less contrived: 1. notice that oops, the cd burning script will do someth

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Adam Heath
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Bullshit. Making noise about spelling errors is extremely unpolite > (with few exceptions). Making fun this way is a sign of personal > problems. Doing this again and again, even trying to make this look as > a harmles 'joke' shows the critical level. Ple

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 12:59:32AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Making noise about spelling errors is extremely unpolite > (with few exceptions). > Please go away, learn something about tolerancy and come back when you can > discuss sanely. Interesting conflicting viewpoints. -- 2. That wh

Re: Bug#170336: [RFP]: linux-wlan-ng -- Can't (re)build it for my own kernel

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
reassign 170336 linux-wlan-ng retitle 170336 linux-wlan-ng: Can't (re)build it for my own kernel thanks On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 12:32:46AM +0100, Xavier MAILLARD wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: linux-wlan-ng > Version : > Upstream Author : Name <[E

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 03:50:08PM]: > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > > > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? > > > > > > > > Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? > > > > > > Ah

Re: broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread christophe barbe
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:05:43AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > There is already a bug filed about this: #170292. The maintainer replies: > > "gphoto2 2.1.0 is not compatible with the new libexif in debian/sid. > gphoto2 2.1.1 will be out soon, the package is ready. > I will upload gphoto2 2.1.1

Bug#170336: [RFP]: linux-wlan-ng -- Can't (re)build it for my own kernel

2002-11-22 Thread Xavier MAILLARD
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: linux-wlan-ng Version : Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.some.org/ * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.) Description : Can't (re)build it for my own kernel , | Hi, atte

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 11:13:00PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 21:52]: > > Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM process? > > I tried adding all applicants again. I have probably missed some, but > most should be the

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Mateusz Papiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 23:23]: > > http://nm.debian.org/amstatus.php?&user=me%40andrew.net.au Just like > that's not working, it tells "You should not be here!!" :) Sorry, http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=me%40andrew.net.au > But I entered nm.debian.org, and

Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Please respect my Mail-Followup-To: header. On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:07:26PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > 36GB disks? Why buy 36GB disks when you can buy big ones? See, the > problem here is that things are in such frequent motion, that what seemed > like a big disk once is now small.

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> Tasks and skills has been checked (my package is rust), and there was > AM report for me too, so I'm only waiting for DAM approval. ... http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2002/debian-newmaint-200209/msg00021.htm l and there it is :) M.

Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-22 Thread Benoit Peccatte
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 17:07, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Say I have 6 36GB disks which cost me $100 apiece (USD600 / 216GB USD2.78 > > per gigabyte). Naturally, I put them in a RAID-5 array, for 180GB usable > > space. Now we're at $3.33/GB, not

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> http://nm.debian.org/amstatus.php?&user=me%40andrew.net.au Just like that's not working, it tells "You should not be here!!" :) But I entered nm.debian.org, and put my email adres in the editbox. Of course, my status is quite ok, but ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received application 2002-01-

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 16:48]: > I believe a web mirror would not help at all. There were php > scripts, and databases, and these _cannot_ (hopefully) be mirrored. A web mirror would be _very_ helpful. The PHP scripts were in CVS (still are ;) but the database is gone. We

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Teófilo Ruiz Suárez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 15:06]: > I was in the "Waiting for AM" step, and I don't know what will happen > with me and the others in the same step, 20 last time I checked (the day > before the fire). > > Is anybody working on it? Those "waiting for AM" have been resto

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 21:52]: > Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM process? I tried adding all applicants again. I have probably missed some, but most should be there again. Your application can be reviewed at http://nm.debian.org/amstatus

Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Say I have 6 36GB disks which cost me $100 apiece (USD600 / 216GB USD2.78 > per gigabyte). Naturally, I put them in a RAID-5 array, for 180GB usable > space. Now we're at $3.33/GB, not counting filesystem overhead. This is a > realistic server config

Re: Package migration into testing halted?

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:39:31PM -0500, Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings! Been waiting for over a week for 'valid candidate' package > maxima to get into testing. Has this process been suspended? It depends on newer glibc on some architectures, so don't hold your breath. -- Colin Watson

Re: Why are new package versions depending on libc6 in unstable?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:40:39PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Nice, (btw, this is documented in man apt_preferences) but how do you know > there is a new version available in experemental from apt-cache? apt-cache policy -- - mdz

Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:03:40AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Roberto Suarez Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Nov/21, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > Current cost of hard disk is something between $1.00 and $1.50 per > > > gigabyte. > > > > I may be wrong, but I ass

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:23:09PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? > > > > Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? > > Best example for the difference between you and most other "top" > developers - stupid personal attacks when runni

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:54, Michael Schmitz wrote: > > When I'm doing such package chang-over's it's generally just arranged > > through private mail and the rest of the world learns about it through > > the changelog. > > > > IMHO an arranged take-over like that requires no special announcements.

Package migration into testing halted?

2002-11-22 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings! Been waiting for over a week for 'valid candidate' package maxima to get into testing. Has this process been suspended? Take care, -- Camm Maguire[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:15:12PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > We'd need perhaps three different m68k varieties (two more than now), > one more Sparc, one more alpha, no more powerpc IIUC, no more arm, one > more mips, one more HPPA (or two?), no more ia64 or s390. So that's > nine more

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-22 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "AT" == Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AT> To make it clear: I'm not in fear of a separate distribution. AT> Everybody is free to do so. But in my opinion you could reach AT> your goal more straightforeward if you do not. I'd like to clarify a confusion introduced by

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:35:19PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:23:09PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > #include > > * Branden Robinson [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 10:34:21AM]: > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > > > (1) Why are you blatently insulti

Re: web browser bookmark defaults

2002-11-22 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > Richard Braakman wrote: > > > We're not _removing_ anything, we're providing an integrated system. > > in this cotext, it seems that upstream galeon _includes_ those > bookmarks (redhat, slackware, et al). to _remove_ those bookmarks is a > _remov

Re: [mechanix@debian.org: Bug#169709: idesk: could use a better description]

2002-11-22 Thread Thorsten Sauter
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:18:23PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > [...] many thinks for help. Bye Thorsten -- Thorsten Sauter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?) pgp9YxRugF89o.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Craig Dickson
Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Branden Robinson [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 10:34:21AM]: > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? > > > > Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? > > Best example for the differ

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:23:09PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Branden Robinson [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 10:34:21AM]: > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? > > > > Why are you blatanly misspelling "b

[Fwd: Re: bonobo-activation]

2002-11-22 Thread Sean Harshbarger
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 12:56, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Jack Howarth wrote: > >Exactly how much longer are we going to leave bonobo-activation > > managled in sid? Certainly if there is no traction upstream on > > resolving this issue we should at least regre

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Branden Robinson [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 10:34:21AM]: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? > > Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? Best example for the difference between you and most other "top"

Re: Google sets, Linus Torvalds, Andrew Tanenbaum and Wichert Akkerman.

2002-11-22 Thread Arne Schwabe
"H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > > Damnit, only last? ;) >> > >> > Drop out one of the names, and click on Large Set. Bang, Wichert shows up >> > as #3 :-) >> > >> > >> Uhm, with all the names and clicking Large Set, you will find also Bill Gates >> in the list :) > [snip] > > Unsu

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:22:42PM -0500, Mako Hill wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:28:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the > > U.S. on behalf of Debian (like the machine that is auric.debian.org), > > but an exhaustive

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Phillip Hofmeister
My best friend went to Gentoo and came back to Debian. That should say something -- Phil PGP/GPG Key: http://www.zionlth.org/~plhofmei/ wget -O - http://www.zionlth.org/~plhofmei/key.txt | gpg --import -- Excuse #52: Not approved by the FCC pgpT98lU2ygwI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mako Hill
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:05:44PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: > > No, it's not. Low end disks are cheap. High end disks still aren't. > > Bandwidth still isn't. Especially when you're spending donated > > resources rather than your own. > > Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donation

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mako Hill
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:28:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the > U.S. on behalf of Debian (like the machine that is auric.debian.org), > but an exhaustive inventory has not been done. > > We, uh, might want to do that so

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:28:50AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > This subthread doesn't seem to have much to do with Debian development > anymore, or, at least I couldn't find anything technical in that mail. > Maybe take it off-list, if you feel it's worth saying? I am finished with him for now;

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which will perhaps (enough space in the case?) solve the problem for > debian's own servers, but not for the mirrors. I know of 3 of them > only in .at. We already have mirrors that don't hold all the archs. This is a perfectly fine thing to do.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Roberto Suarez Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Nov/21, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Current cost of hard disk is something between $1.00 and $1.50 per > > gigabyte. > > I may be wrong, but I assume you're talking IDE here. And, IMHO, IDE > disks are not the best thing for a medi

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> Why not http://www.debian.org/devel, under "Projects"? You're right! D-I is (I think?) official, and important project, and it should have homepage in debian.org, not in "something people" on people.d.o. Am I right? -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Mic

Re: debian-installer status 2002-11-22

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:16:11PM +0200, Samuli Suonpaa wrote: > Are you aware of the fact that EVMS will not be included in Linux kernel? Are you aware of the fact that EVMS is being adapted to work with device-mapper instead of the EVMS kernel runtime? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Schmitz
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to > > go the bureocratic orphan and adopt. The next upload will just come from > > Michael. > >

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:29:57AM -0800, Michael Cardenas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > In response to all the emails on debian-boot saying "how can I > help?", "what needs to be done" and "where do I start?", tollef and I > put together a simple home page for the debian-installer proje

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:56:21PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Anthony Towns > | On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > | > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, > | Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to en

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:32:41PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: Why so formal? We haven't met our bureaucracy quota for the month. I hope that everyone will do his part. Mike Stone

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Jim Lynch wrote: > > (small point on kde 3.1 final existing before announcement disposed of: > it won't be "final" until it's "announced". by definition. also, there > may be current reasons why the announcement has not been made.) unless Gentoo is refering to a CVS tag i see a difference betwee

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021122 12:24]: > > "In addition Portage supports the concept of SLOTs. In the development of > > Gentoo Linux its developers often found that we needed to have multiple > > versions of certain packages (such as libraries) installed to satisfy the > > demands of

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:46:44PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> I read quite well, thank you. Such personal attacks would not seem to fit Matt> with your lofty philo

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07, Andreas Tille wrote: > I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to > go the bureocratic orphan and adopt. The next upload will just come from > Michael. Why so formal

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:18:12AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > "Maybe you're dumb. Ha-ha. Ha-ha." This subthread doesn't seem to have much to do with Debian development anymore, or, at least I couldn't find anything technical in that mail. Maybe take it off-list, if you feel it's worth saying

a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Cardenas
In response to all the emails on debian-boot saying "how can I help?", "what needs to be done" and "where do I start?", tollef and I put together a simple home page for the debian-installer project. It can be found here: http://people.debian.org/~mbc/di.html Feel free to direct people here. We

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:05:44PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donations in the past. How is that relevant? Not all donations are immediately required. Accepting donations for which there is no immediate need incurs overhead and isn't sensible. Mike Sto

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Clint Adams
> No, it's not. Low end disks are cheap. High end disks still aren't. > Bandwidth still isn't. Especially when you're spending donated > resources rather than your own. Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donations in the past.

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Clint Adams
> Why do they need to coexist with the other implementation? They could > simply conflict. They shouldn't.

Re: Another mass bug filing: get rid of xlib6g*

2002-11-22 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> /me wanders off, laughing maniacally and regressing to Branden> childhood Saturday nights watching PBS... Did you call your dog K-9 and and build a phone booth out of cardboard boxes too? -- Stephen You will be a l

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:09:26PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > P.S.: this discussion lead me to a question: is it possible that we do not > have any kind of backup for thing like that? I mean: even something like cvs > offers a kind of backup, periodical dump of the db and such

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 14:54]: >>> I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning >>> people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct >>> me if I'm wrong. >> Never underestimate the

Re: Ask yourself some questions

2002-11-22 Thread Yven Leist
On Friday 22 November 2002 10:46, Emile van Bergen wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:10:31PM +0100, Yven Leist wrote: > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 16:28, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Well, the dismal failure of that one is noted. > > > > Just for the record, I actually found it quite

Re: debian-installer status 2002-11-22

2002-11-22 Thread Samuli Suonpaa
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > EVMS support has been added.. I played with it a little, but it was > broken because it was compiled with readline support, while no > readline libraries were in the archive. I've just played around with > it a bit more, and it looks like it needs some

Re: broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Craig Dickson
Mathias Klein wrote: > just to let you know: > > +++cut+++ > :# apt-get install gphoto2 > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:47:46PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > PGP signatures have a signature ID and a date that are ment to be used to > prevent against replay attacks. I forget the exact details but there is a > gpg mode that prints it out. The db.debian.org gateways all make use of > it.

Re: broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:25:54PM +0100, Mathias Klein wrote: > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > gphoto2: Depends: libexif5 but it is not installable > +++cut+++ > > Shouldn't gphoto2 depend on libexif7 ? You should file a bug rather than mailing debian-devel. Fortu

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:38:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) > > > > Google's cache was unfortunately out of date, too. So, while we > > haven't lost everything, we

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mike Dresser
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: > Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the > U.S. on behalf of Debian (like the machine that is auric.debian.org), > but an exhaustive inventory has not been done. > > We, uh, might want to do that someday, say for insura

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:24:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > After verifying the signature on the data, the receiver does some sanity > > checks. One of the checks is doing an md5sum over the entire file > > (remember, this i

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:56:52AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Then no, you don't. It was probably a mistake to ever attempt to > codify the list of virtual packages in policy. Agreement amoung the > people involved is sufficient. I disagree. The nature of the agreement needs to be documented

Re: Possible mass filing of bugs: don't use libxaw-dev

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 11:20:10PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:16:50PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > If you mean that these Build-Depend on pure virtual packages, then they > > should be changed. > > Why? Pure virtual dependencies are not incorrect. I am surprise

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> The AM, FrontDesk and everyone that reads debian-newmaint. :) > DAM stage is (more or less) easy to recover. Thank God ;P -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread alex
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) > > Google's cache was unfortunately out of date, too. So, while we > haven't lost everything, we have certainly lost the last few > months/weeks. I will post an announcemen

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:25:26AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > Specific example is xfree86-4.x: Branden would not start the work on > that before woody had a stable version of the xfree that was stable at > the time; he wouldn't have had the time. Once woody was released (which > implied a stable X w

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? -- G. Branden Robinson|Kissing girls is a goodness. It is Debian GNU/Linux |a growing clo

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Lau
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:52:13PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM > process? The real question is, will anything change in NM for those who've already waited over 6 months for DAM approval. = P 11 and still counting... Yours sincer

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:33:10PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > But, assuming a price of approx. US$128 for a 120GB IDE drive, yes, > Debian could afford two of these at a drain of less than 1% of its total > assets. Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the U.S.

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:01:05PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | Good idea. We should add an 'apt-cache alternatives packagename' as > | well. > > I've seen many «we should add X», while few people seem to actually do > what they suggest. right, because we're brainstorming here :) if this we

broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Mathias Klein
Hello, just to let you know: +++cut+++ :# apt-get install gphoto2 Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages hav

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Mateusz Papiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hope you're right... I was waiting for DAM approval, and now > only my AM, perhaps, know what to do... The AM, FrontDesk and everyone that reads debian-newmaint. :) DAM stage is (more or less) easy to recover. -- bye Joerg A.D. 1517: Martin Luth

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:46:44PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matt> I read quite well, thank you. Such personal attacks would not seem to > fit > Matt> with your lofty philosophy of elevating social norms. > > Then the only

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
H. S. Teoh wrote: > "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public FTP-server > and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds So let's hope that somebody mirrored it... I hope a public HTTP-server is alright, too. -- Roland Bauerschmidt

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 14:54]: > > I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning > > people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct > > me if I'm wrong. > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) Google's cache

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public > FTP-server and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds ya, of course. But I thought, that nm.debian.org wasn't mirrored :-/ -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support

Sponsor required: Film Gimp 0.8a-3

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Lau
Hey everyone, Could someone please be kind enough to sponsor Film Gimp for me? I've already got 5 packages under my belt and been waiting for DAM approval for 11 months now, so I do know what I'm doing half the time = ). The packages are as Lintian and Linda clean as possible, with the exce

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > One way to explicitly turn them on --- which would not bug users who > don't want it --- would be to install a package. The package could work > similar to apt-listchanges. oh yeah, i just remembered, check out the vrms packag

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Anthony DeRobertis | The installer must already have the user set up his sources.list. The | old boot-floppies asks a question about the use of non-free software; This has nothing to do with boot-floppies. It is apt-setup, which is run from base-config. boot-floppies/d-i is what gets run bef

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, > and asking about if the user wants dialogs warning them of non-free is > not needed to install the system. and i guess that's where we disagree. if i want

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Anthony Towns | On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: | > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, | | Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to end up with | the same system. Actually not. It means «it should be p

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:54:17PM +, Colin Watson wrote: [snip] > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) [snip] "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public FTP-server and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds ;-) T -- The peace of mind--from knowin

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:09:26PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > P.S.: this discussion lead me to a question: is it possible that we do > not have any kind of backup for thing like that? I mean: even > something like cvs offers a kind of backup, periodical dump of the db > and such

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:24:58PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:04:29PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De > Vitis wrote: > > The web site is only a nice fornt-end for the applicants to know > > something about you place in the queue and the ste you passed. > > I guess the

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Schmitz
> I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to Meaning I've used it a lot, including local modifications and such. And I have a moderate interest in keeping that package around. > go the bureocr

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hello, I am one of the people involved in Free(b)soft (and Free(b)deb) > project. Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify some > details. The goal of Free(b)deb project is not a separate distribution. To make it clear: I'm not in fear of a

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to end up with the same system. Which either means, "I'm not interested in having Debian support al

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:43:28AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > This is interesting. I've been planning to add play-by-mail support to > my mooix moo, but have held off because I didn't want to tackle doing it > securely. But if I can just use grunt and it turns out to be secure.. > that'd be sweet. I

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-22 Thread Tomas Cerha
Andreas Tille wrote: Sorry, I do not have the time to cooperate with any further project. I will do all the best to make Debian the best distribution for all purposes I could think off. That's why I tried to convince other projects which tried to build a Debian based distribution for a special fie

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