debian transistion to gcc-3.2.1

2002-11-26 Thread Frank P .
Is there something holding back the transition? I have not noticed any discussion about it.

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:32:06PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > Debconf translations that aren't delivered into the maintainers' hands > become a waste of translators' time. Well, all maintainers could just be automatically subscribed to an opt-out mailing list to which *all* debconf translation

Re: testing upgrade today broke output redirection (sometimes)

2002-11-26 Thread cfm
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:39:03PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm unable to redirect stdout sometimes, eg program > out fails. > > I had to move a machine, so first I upgraded: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-n

testing not getting updated?

2002-11-26 Thread Ganesan R
Hi, Has any one else noticed that testing is not getting updated. According to http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz, the last run was on Nov 20th. If this is intentional, I don't remember seeing any mail about it. Does this have anything to do with satie going down, or is i

Re: [desktop] foomatic-gui is born

2002-11-26 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Nov 26, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 19:42, Chris Lawrence wrote: > > After about 10 hours of me pulling my hair out due to the complete and > > utter lack of documentation for GNOME2 and its Python bindings, I have > > produced "foomatic-gui". > > Nifty. I tried to make-go it

Re: [desktop] foomatic-gui is born

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 19:42, Chris Lawrence wrote: > After about 10 hours of me pulling my hair out due to the complete and > utter lack of documentation for GNOME2 and its Python bindings, I have > produced "foomatic-gui". Nifty. I tried to make-go it, but I got: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ./foomatic-

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:22:53PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > > But it's one thing that really differentiates Debian from the > > > competition. Being the most portable Free OS is worth something, in my > > > opinion. > > > > I think NetBSD still has us beat on that point. > > Debian runs o

testing upgrade today broke output redirection (sometimes)

2002-11-26 Thread cfm
I'm unable to redirect stdout sometimes, eg program > out fails. I had to move a machine, so first I upgraded: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free Linux version 2.2.20 ([EMAIL PROT

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:54:29PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:07:51PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > >In the origional message, I merely pointed out that keeping such things > >properly encapsulated is crucial, if you EVER want to be able to run on any > >other kernel. >

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:07:51PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: In the origional message, I merely pointed out that keeping such things properly encapsulated is crucial, if you EVER want to be able to run on any other kernel. Which original message? The one I saw said "Certainly it will have a hard tim

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:41:34AM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > > Is it your intention for these translations to only be made available on > > the ddtp website, instead of being submitted directly to maintainers as > > bug reports? > I would like to recive the translation as bug

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:41:34AM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:54:21PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > We've started the translation of debconf templates some weeks ago. > > > See http://ddtp.debian.org/debconf/gnuplot/ddts-stat.png > > It seem

Re: [desktop] foomatic-gui is born

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Cardenas
Are there plans to create a debian-desktop list? This group sure does have a lot of traffic, and as an official subproject, they should have their own list. On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 06:42:46PM -0600, Chris Lawrence wrote: > After about 10 hours of me pulling my hair out due to the complete and > u

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-26 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:54:21PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > We've started the translation of debconf templates some weeks ago. > > See http://ddtp.debian.org/debconf/gnuplot/ddts-stat.png It seems that you don't use po-debconf: isn't it? AFAIK we all should switch to po-debconf for a

[desktop] foomatic-gui is born

2002-11-26 Thread Chris Lawrence
After about 10 hours of me pulling my hair out due to the complete and utter lack of documentation for GNOME2 and its Python bindings, I have produced "foomatic-gui". It does some rudimentary autodetection (click on "Add", make sure you have parport_pc or the kernel USB printer driver loaded, choo

debian jabber packages

2002-11-26 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hello, a few days ago I offered the debian packages up for adoption. Thanks to all who have responded. I want to contribute a bit to the expansion of Debian with new and skilled maintainers, therefore I follow the recommendation from Dirk Eddelbuettel who is willing to sponsor Jam

Re: orbit/evolution/linux2.5 bug #168188

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Carr said: > Unless I'm doing something wrong, I'm still having to rebuild orbit0 in > sid to get evolution to work with a 2.5 kernel. The one line patch (in > the bug report) to the orbit sources works for me. Anyway, my question > is seems that sometimes(1) when

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 12:20, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:39:41AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's > > strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. > > But it's one thing that rea

Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:20:06PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Indeed, one of the faculty here at UCI, Aldo Antonelli is a die-hard > member of the Free Software community. When I told him about Debian's > commitment to the principles free software he immediately decided to > switch his c

orbit/evolution/linux2.5 bug #168188

2002-11-26 Thread Jeff Carr
Unless I'm doing something wrong, I'm still having to rebuild orbit0 in sid to get evolution to work with a 2.5 kernel. The one line patch (in the bug report) to the orbit sources works for me. Anyway, my question is seems that sometimes(1) when I run apt-get update & apt-get upgrade it seems to re

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 06:37:50PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:26:16PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > >I must admit to some confusion, here. Should I take this as implying that > >there is no particular intent to try to make Debian-Installer play nicely > >on anything but L

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:21:28AM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: > We've started the translation of debconf templates some weeks ago. > See http://ddtp.debian.org/debconf/gnuplot/ddts-stat.png > The debconf template translation is still in a beta stage and only > few translators from 2-3

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:26:16PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: I must admit to some confusion, here. Should I take this as implying that there is no particular intent to try to make Debian-Installer play nicely on anything but Linux kernels? I'm saying that some things that an installer does are by th

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:21:27PM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: What distrowatch tries to achieve is gauging interesting in a distro, Wouldn't it be gauging people going to distwatch to find a *different* distro? I mean, why go to distwatch if you're happy with what you're running and don't care about a

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:58:06PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:20:40PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > >In practice, I find that once such assumptions creep in, it can be very, > >very hard to remove them without yanking out a lot of entrails to go with. > > Which is the pr

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:58:25PM -0800, Jon Kent > wrote: > try to paint Debian as relatively unpopular. I > don't see what your > objective is, other than to start and prolong > pointless arguments. > What distrowatch tries to achieve is gaugi

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:18:18PM +0100, Volker Dierks wrote: > > Silly, perhaps, but it still conveys the message that the > >Gentoo user is in control. Do the cutting edge enthusiasts in Debian > >have the same amount of control? Have we become so complacent at > >believing that since we ha

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:20:40PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: In practice, I find that once such assumptions creep in, it can be very, very hard to remove them without yanking out a lot of entrails to go with. Which is the price to be paid for using a different kernel. An installer, by its nature, is

Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

2002-11-26 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:42AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > > > What you seem to be implying is that there is something wrong with the > > desire to preserve the way things are now (regardless of the > > motivation). Is this your position? > >

Bug#170848: pstotext: copiousoutput "support" for Lynx

2002-11-26 Thread Mario Lang
Package: pstotext Version: 1.8g-5 Severity: minor Tags: patch Lynx does currently not honor the copiousoutput flag in /etc/mailcap. See http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.flora.org/lynx-dev/html/month042000/msg00531.html for the only evidence I could find about why it doesn't work. The m

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:58:25PM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > --- Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, it doesn't. It shows that the most frequently viewed distribution > > pages on distrowatch.com are: > > I did say they were not great figures, just interesting, but I expect this

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:58:25PM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > I did say they were not great figures, just interesting, I don't see how these figures are interesting for debian development. Could you please enlighten me? Michael -- "The very first use of Unix in the 'real business' of Bell Labs wa

Intent to NMU: dvidvi

2002-11-26 Thread H. S. Teoh
I've tried to contact David A. van Leeuwen via two email addresses that are listed on BTS and db.d.o, regarding a possible NMU of his package, dvidvi. However, both emails bounced. Should I just go ahead and upload the NMU? T -- Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else. --

testing excuses script doesn't run?

2002-11-26 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Hi all, Is it true, that the testing script doesn't run at all? It isn't a depends relationship, because the "too young" line also not changed. The status of both of my packages doesn't change. jacky% lynx -dump http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html | grep Generated Gener

PostgreSQL 7.3 about to be released

2002-11-26 Thread Oliver Elphick
PostgreSQL 7.3 is expected to be released tomorrow, and Debian packages for unstable will follow shortly after. I uploaded 7.3rc2-1 to experimental today; these packages can also be found at people.debian.org/~elphick/postgresql. I also uploaded pgaccess, which is newly separated into its own sou

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:03:12AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 06:43:03PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: > >Certainly it will have a hard time working on any of the BSDs anytime soon, > >if it relies on devfs more than trivially; they have no concept of it, nor > >are they reall

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Volker Dierks
Hello folks, my answer to the subject: a few! Dear everyone in the Debian community, The question I want to pose today is "Are we losing users to Gentoo?" I hate to sound like a marketing departmen drone, but I'm becoming more and more disturbed since I'm noticing more and more 'random' out

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:04:48AM -0600, Zed Pobre wrote: > > > Something is seriously wrong, if a single bug that affects a single > > > arch can stop everyone else from forward. > > > > You obviously didn't read all of aj's message. How about you postpone > > your bitching along these lines u

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:20:18AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:39:41AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's > > strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. > > But it's one t

Re: Processed: no longer using osk@hem.passagen.se

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 10:24:03PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:13:33PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > There's now a 'submitter' command, so you can do something like: > > > > submitter 34363 Oskar Liljeblad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thank you, this sound really useful.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, it doesn't. It shows that the most frequently > viewed distribution pages > on distrowatch.com are: I did say they were not great figures, just interesting, but I expect this sort of comment from you. > If you had lived through a stable Debia

Re: Processed: no longer using osk@hem.passagen.se

2002-11-26 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:13:33PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > There's now a 'submitter' command, so you can do something like: > > submitter 34363 Oskar Liljeblad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It notifies the original submitter, and doesn't affect merged bugs in > the way close/reopen does.

Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ahh but John is not working in the interests of our users but rather a > higher body known as the "Free Software Community." It is not known > whether any actual Debian user is a member of that group at this time > (the answer to THAT question when aske

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's > strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. > But it's one thing that really differentiates Debian from the > competition. Being the most portable Fr

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 02:08:54AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > > > http://www.distrowatch.com/stats.php?1#04 > > > > The shows that the top 4 Distributions are: > > > > 1) Mandrake > > 2) Red Hat > > 3) Gentoo > > 4) Debian > > No, it doesn't. It show

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: > Neither. I was simply wondering if you felt free software in particular > which is needed by a user of Debian had a stronger claim to inclusion in > Debian than non-free software, even if also needed by a user of Debian. > > Because if you don't, it'

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:10:18AM -0500, Sean Proctor wrote: [ snip ] > ... Anyway, Gentoo has a much > different niche than Debian, so I don't understand why people are arguing > about changing Debian because of it. If Gentoo serves their needs better, > good. Perhaps Debian can then focus less

Re: How to programm a Windowmanager ?

2002-11-26 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hallo Andreas, Am 16:34 20/11/02 +0100 hat Andreas Rottmann geschrieben: > >Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >First of all, this is not the right list for this >question. debian-devel is about the development of the Debian >distribution. Sugestion ? I am on djgpp (dos32) but I need

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Lynch
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:30:30 +1100 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:48:15AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > But I have performed many debian installs with the boot floppy setup, > > and I found that it still suffers from problems. One problem faced > > by all dist

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:41:21PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: [snip] > No, it doesn't. It shows that the most frequently viewed distribution pages > on distrowatch.com are: > > 1) Mandrake > 2) Red Hat > 3) Gentoo > 4) Debian > > And the sample size is approximately 56000 page views. [snip] A

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 02:08:54AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > http://www.distrowatch.com/stats.php?1#04 > > The shows that the top 4 Distributions are: > > 1) Mandrake > 2) Red Hat > 3) Gentoo > 4) Debian No, it doesn't. It shows that the most frequently viewed distribution pages on distrowatch.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
In chiark.mail.debian.devel, you wrote: >On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:39:41AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: >> Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's >> strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. >> But it's one thing that really different

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:39:41AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's > strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. > But it's one thing that really differentiates Debian from the > competition. Being

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Nicolas Lopez
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:46:20PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > "Noah L. Meyerhans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 08:41:43PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > > That's an interesting comparison. If you look at NetBSD, you'll see > > that they have a very similar problem to u

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 22:46, Brian Nelson wrote: > What I fail to understand is why Debian insists on supporting every > single arch itself. Because, somewhat circularly, that's what has emerged as one of Debian's strong points, and we like it. Certainly it makes the releases slower. But it's

Re: Bug#170761: ITP: zope-translationservice -- A location-aware translation service for Zope

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 01:23, David Coe wrote: > Package: wnpp > Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-26 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: zope-translationservice > Version : 0.2 > Upstream Author : Florent Guillaume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : > http://www.zope.org/

Bug#170809: ITP: libgphoto2 -- The gphoto2 digital camera library

2002-11-26 Thread christophe barbe
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libgphoto2 Version : 2.1.1 Upstream Author : The gphoto2 team * URL : http://www.gphoto.org/ * License : LGPL Description : The gphoto2 digital camera library I am

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:07:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:46:20PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > Debian's support for so many arches slows down development in other > > > areas as well. For example

Re: Possible mass filing of bugs: don't use libxaw-dev

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:51:00PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > If you mean that these Build-Depend on pure virtual packages, then they > > should be changed. > > > > If they work with Xaw 7, they should B-D on libxaw7-dev | lixaw-dev. > > > > If they don't work with Xaw 7, they should B-D li

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > Something is seriously wrong, if a single bug that affects a single > arch can stop everyone else from forward. We need a way to get packages > that are broken on some platform into the distrubution while the > developers of the arch so

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > Something is seriously wrong, if a single bug that affects a single > arch can stop everyone else from forward. We need a way to get packages > that are broken on some platform into the distrubution while the > developers of the arch so

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Riku Voipio
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:07:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:46:20PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Debian's support for so many arches slows down development in other > > areas as well. For example, getting gcc-3.2 working on all arches has [...] > the key issue.

Bug#170798: ITP: cwwm -- a minimalist window manager for X11

2002-11-26 Thread Sebastien J. Gross
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: cwwm Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : ChezWam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://cwwm.chezwam.org * License : GPL Description : a minimalist window manager for X11 cww

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:24:14AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > > | A point release is. not. sarge. > > stable does not gain new versions. (with a few > > exceptions, such as > > where backporting security fixes is ~impossible.) > Are you sure? I seem to remember 2.2 getting a few > releases, 2.2r1

Re: Processed: no longer using osk@hem.passagen.se

2002-11-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:00:00AM +0100, Oskar Liljeblad wrote: > On Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 16:06, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Congratulations, you now own all bugs that were ever merged with one you > > filed, and the original submitters will now be cut off from the BTS. :) > > This is m

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Sean Proctor
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:20:56PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 02:48:10PM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > > > Time, I'm afraid, is something I lack. Don't get me > > wrong the work Branden has done is great, what I'm > > trying to point out is that 4.2 is not in stable and, >

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 06:43:03PM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: Certainly it will have a hard time working on any of the BSDs anytime soon, if it relies on devfs more than trivially; they have no concept of it, nor are they really likely to anytime soon. Use of /proc should also, prefferably, be limite

Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.

2002-11-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:39:04PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: > I was wondering if there was a definitive list of all the setuid/setgid > binaries which may be installed from the Debian archives. > > (Such a list would be very useful in prioritizing any examination of > source code). > > I'

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:03:27AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > I want Debian to be a key player, not an underdog or > also ran, which some of you seem to be quite happy > with. This annoys the hell out of me, Debian was once > looked up to, now its "the one with apt". What does that mean, anyway? Do

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking > his head, 'are > a sure sign of a diseased mind.'" > (Terry Pratchett, Eric) Indeed, or someone who trying to convey that they are annoyed. > | A point release is. not. sarge. > > stable

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Jon Kent | --- Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | > we. don't. have. a. working. installer. for. sarge. | > | > how hard is that to comprehend? | | Thanks for the witty reply but thats why I suggested a | _point_ release, OK, its not the same as a major | release, comprehend!!!

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
OK I have enough of this for the moment, do what you feel is right but I'm not convinced that some of the directions things are going are for the benefit of Debian, the blinkers seem to well and truely attached to some people. To the people here who at least replied in a polite manner, thanks, and

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:20:38AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > Thanks for the witty reply but thats why I suggested a > _point_ release, OK, its not the same as a major > release, comprehend!!! A point release is. not. > sarge. A point release is on the way, check the facts dude.[1] Michael -- [1

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 02:08:54AM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: > Rather than bother arguing the point again, heres an interesting link: > http://www.distrowatch.com/stats.php?1#04 > > The shows that the top 4 Distributions are: > 1) Mandrake > 2) Red Hat > 3) Gentoo > 4) Debian Well, here's anothe

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-26 11:59]: > | Now that we have X 4.2.1 in testing, maybe its a good > | time to do a point release? Get stable up to date, as > we. don't. have. a. working. installer. for. sarge. * Jon Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-26 03:20]: > Thanks for the wi

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we. don't. have. a. working. installer. for. sarge. > > how hard is that to comprehend? > Thanks for the witty reply but thats why I suggested a _point_ release, OK, its not the same as a major release, comprehend!!! A point release is. not. sa

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Jon Kent | Now that we have X 4.2.1 in testing, maybe its a good | time to do a point release? Get stable up to date, as | testing is fairly up to date and seems stable at least | on my boxes (x86). Radical thinking I know ;-) we. don't. have. a. working. installer. for. sarge. how hard is t

Re: Why do system users have shells?

2002-11-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, David Pashley wrote: > I remember trying to set all(most/some) system accounts to /bin/false and the > only thing I noticed breaking was fetchmail. Of course there may have been > others, but fetchmail persuaded me to revert to /bin/sh. > > Would it be worth filing a bug abo

Re: two 'news' aliases

2002-11-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.25.2236 +0100]: > I'm not that familiar with postfix myself, but it looks like the > postinst calls newaliases and does some other work with /etc/aliases - > that's probably the source of it. none of my postinst files on this system installed a

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:48:15AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > But I have performed many debian installs with the boot floppy setup, > and I found that it still suffers from problems. One problem faced > by all dists is that of teaching people about partitioning and backing > up. At least the install

Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

2002-11-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:27:22PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:20:39PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > That's a recursive definition. "The way things are now" is our current > > social contract, so you are saying "The way things are now is consistent > > with the way thi

Bug#170774: ITP: cl-pg -- Common Lisp library that provides a socket level postgresql interface.

2002-11-26 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-08 Severity: wishlist * Package name: cl-pg Version : 0.14 Upstream Author : Eric Marsden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/ * License : LGPL Description : Common Lisp library th

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
Right I'm more awake now, its was late a night went I sent my last mail. A special thanks to Matt for his reply ;-) Right lets make this clear, I'm not here to push Gentoo, I was originally responding to the original question, is Debian losing users to Gentoo? Rather than bother arguing the poin

Re: Why do system users have shells?

2002-11-26 Thread David Pashley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 25 November 2002 9:34 pm, H. S. Teoh wrote: > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:53:22PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:39, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:10:44PM -0700, James Hamilton wrote: > > > > I'm cu

Re: Why do system users have shells?

2002-11-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:34, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > Possibly because otherwise, you cannot run any shell scripts as that > > > user. (This may also apply to more than shell scripts, but I'm not sure > > > about that.) > > > > sudo, start-stop-daemon, su -s > > > > Why can't people read man pages bef

Re: new build system

2002-11-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On 25 Nov 2002, Colin Walters wrote: > I attempted to take some of these ideas, and adapt them to the Debian > build system; in particular, debian/rules. The result is currently > called Colin's Build System, but don't let the name give you the Oh, I like it. I haven't used it yet, but the idea

Bug#170761: ITP: zope-translationservice -- A location-aware translation service for Zope

2002-11-26 Thread David Coe
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-translationservice Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Florent Guillaume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.zope.org/Members/efge/TranslationService/TranslationService-0.2.tgz * Lic

Bug#170760: ITP: zope-localizer -- helps build multilingual web sites and multilingual Zope products

2002-11-26 Thread David Coe
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-localizer Version : 0.9.2 Upstream Author : Juan David Ibanez Palomar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lleu/Localizer-0.9.2.tgz * License