Re: [HS] Re: Testez l'installateur Debian....

2003-11-05 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:56:38AM +0100, sferriol wrote: Denis Barbier wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:43:07AM +0100, sferriol wrote: [...] il faudrait mieux améliorer cdebconf, car à l'avenir je pense qu'il va remplacer debconf. Heu, franchement ça m'étonnerait, sa seule fonction

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:49:39AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] [...] Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really care about the differences between PaX and exec-shield. Debian is not, and, to the best of my knowledge,

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:51AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: | Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really | care about the differences between PaX and exec-shield. Debian is not, | and, to the best of my knowledge, will not, choose one for its kernels, | so there is

Re: exec-shield (maybe ITP kernel-patch-exec-shield)

2003-11-05 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-11-03 17:20, Russell Coker wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should solve the debate about grsec and standard kernels by adding exec-shield to the standard Debian kernel source? Go ahead and do it.

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen. So your substantive reason is: The name of the new package

Re: Bug#219139: ITP: cdcat -- a graphical (QT based) catalog program

2003-11-05 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 04 November 2003 22:10, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:20:26PM +0100, Jorge Bernal (Koke) wrote: The cdcat is a graphical (QT based) multiplatform (Linux/Windows) catalog program which scan your directoryes/drives

stable executable names

2003-11-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
If this should go to -user, please holler - I'll happily subscribe if I can get this discussed somewhere. I use the following commands: mozilla-firebird = run Mozilla Firebird browser mozilla -edit = run Mozilla (trad. only?) editor mozilla = run Mozilla (traditional) browser (though rarely)

Re: stable executable names

2003-11-05 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:47:29PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: | Now, what's finally got to me one too many times: | * I run firebird then can't run mozilla. | * I run mozilla then can't run firebird. I've also noticed this. A quick look at the BTS shows that someone has already filed a bug

Re: Bug#219139: ITP: cdcat -- a graphical (QT based) catalog program

2003-11-05 Thread Koke
On 05 Nov 2003 03:05:37 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Jorge Bernal (Koke) [EMAIL PROTECTED] CDCat is a graphical, multiplatform media catalog program which scans the directories/drives you specify and makes a list of the filesystem (including the tags of

Re: What's the deal with NMUs? [was Re: Are you still there?]

2003-11-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:42:14PM -0800, Tom wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:17:12PM -0500, Alex Pennace wrote: A well meaning NMU to unstable can be helpful in the interim. Naturally, submit a bug to describe the NMU; a diff is useful. If I notice any problems I'll work with the

Re: stable executable names

2003-11-05 Thread Patrick Caulfield
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:05:44PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:47:29PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: | Now, what's finally got to me one too many times: | * I run firebird then can't run mozilla. | * I run mozilla then can't run firebird. I've also noticed

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen. So your substantive

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-05 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:47:41PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] (local.debian-devel) you wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: synaptic-touchpad Version : 0.12.0 Upstream Author : Peter Österlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL

Bug#219251: ITP: ircservices-ptlink -- IRC Services for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ircservices-ptlink Version : 2.23.6 Upstream Author : PTlink Coders team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://www.ptlink.net/ * License : GPL Description : IRC

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:51AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:49:39AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] [...] Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really care about the differences between

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Herbert Xu
Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed seperate from libc? Ths issue is not whether it is needed separately from libc-dev, the issue is that it comes from a different upstream source and thus is best handled in a separate

Re: Grsec/PaX and Exec-shield

2003-11-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:39:46PM +0100, Peter Busser said On Tue, 04 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote: In fact, anyone can do it Russell, I'm pretty sure even you can do it: Why not volunteer to make the .deb, get a sponsor and get it uploaded then? Good idea! Already did that in

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Mattia Dongili | and btw, (I'm still in the NM queue) how do I remove the ITP bug? do I | just need to close it? yes, just close it. (To get rid of it, I can't answer for whether the module is included in XF4.3 or not.) -- Tollef Fog Heen

Sarge Jigdo files incompatible with Debian mirror

2003-11-05 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (see the log below and search for

Bug#219279: ITP: py2play -- A peer-to-peer network game engine in Python

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: py2play Version : 0.1.5 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : A peer-to-peer network

Bug#219277: ITP: gnusound -- Powerful sound editor

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnusound Version : 0.6.1 Upstream Author : Pascal Haakmat [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://gnusound.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Powerful

Bug#219278: ITP: editobj -- Python object editor

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: editobj Version : 0.5.2 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : Python object editor

Bug#219281: ITP: pyopenal -- port for Python of the OpenAL library

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: pyopenal Version : 0.1.2 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : port for Python of the

Bug#219276: ITP: ircopm-ptlink -- Open Proxy Monitor for PTlink IRCd

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ircopm-ptlink Version : 1.1.1 Upstream Author : PTlink Coders team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://www.ptlink.net/ * License : GPL Description : Open Proxy

Bug#219282: ITP: soya -- high level 3D engine for Python

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: soya Version : 0.5.1 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : high level 3D engine for

Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: songwrite Version : 0.12 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : a tablatures editor and

Bug#219292: ITP: genetic -- Artificial Intelligence and genetic algos in Python

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: genetic Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : Artificial Intelligence

Re: Sarge Jigdo files incompatible with Debian mirror

2003-11-05 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:17:59PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (see

Bug#219291: ITP: slune -- 3D racing and car-crashing game

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: slune Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Jiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL Description : 3D racing and car-crashing

Bug#219300: ITP: arkrpg -- Ark roleplaying kernel

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: arkrpg Version : 0.1.4 Upstream Author : Nekeme prod [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://arkhart.nekeme.net/ * License : GPL Description : Ark roleplaying kernel

Bug#219301: ITP: arkhart-data -- Data for the Ark roleplaying kernel

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: arkhart-data Version : 0.1.4 Upstream Author : Nekeme prod [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://arkhart.nekeme.net/ * License : GPL Description : Data for the Ark

Bug#219302: ITP: worlded -- World editor for Ark roleplaying kernel

2003-11-05 Thread Marc Dequnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: worlded Version : 0.1.3 Upstream Author : Nekeme prod [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://arkhart.nekeme.net/ * License : GPL Description : World editor for Ark

Re: Bug#219302: ITP: worlded -- World editor for Ark roleplaying kernel

2003-11-05 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:44, Marc Dequnes wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Ya know, sometimes Quality and not Quantity is better ;-) Scott -- Have you ever, ever felt like this? Had strange things happen? Are you going round the twist? signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: [debian-devel] what is the family of ......

2003-11-05 Thread Magosnyi rpd
Hi! [Courtesy of Sas on the hungarian debian list] http://www.whatsthatbug.com/potato.html :) A levelezm azt hiszi, hogy Caitlin Riddle a kvetkezeket rta: What family is the potato bug in? Because I saw one in my back yard. It was reaaly freaky. Tell me . -- GNU GPL: csak tiszta forrsbl

Re: exec-shield (maybe ITP kernel-patch-exec-shield)

2003-11-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:29, cobaco wrote: The exec-shield patch applies with the Debian patches and with LSM. I am prepared to maintain it. Unless someone volunteers to maintain PaX support for Debian kernels then the best available option for Debian users will be exec-shield. hm, the

Re: Bug#219139: ITP: cdcat -- a graphical (QT based) catalog program

2003-11-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jorge Bernal (Koke) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps not drives, unless the program will actually mount and unmount media if given a device name rather than a directory? OK, it does not mount anything but it's mainly oriented to index external

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed seperate from libc? Ths issue is not whether it is needed separately from libc-dev, the issue is that it comes from a

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread pageexec
[metanote: as you can see, we're entering the meta-discussion part and i can very well understand that it's of little if any interest to most you (that includes me btw), so i'll try not to post more here except maybe to discuss technical issues] 1. 'It seems that exec-shield does 99% of what

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:05:20AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: So your substantive reason is: The name of the new package is poorly chosen.? - I don't think so, it describes the contents rather well, doesn't it? Well, the package contains the header files appropriate to libc.

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Ingo Molnar
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i downloaded the new 0.9.5 paxtest package and amongst other changes it has the following oneliner change: [...] + do_mprotect((unsigned long)argv ~4095U, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC); first of all, it's multithreaded.

Re: Bug#219277: ITP: gnusound -- Powerful sound editor

2003-11-05 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:21:12PM +0100, Marc Dequ??nes wrote: GNUsound is a sound editor for Linux. It supports multiple tracks, multichannel output, and 8, 16, or 24/32 bit samples. It can read a number of audio formats through libaudiofile, and saves them as WAV. GNUsound supports a large

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2003-11-05 Thread ffwe
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scarriest changelog entry ever?

2003-11-05 Thread Christophe Barbe
amiga-fdisk (0.04-7) unstable; urgency=low * First version -- My Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:06:59 -0500

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread pageexec
first of all, it's multithreaded. [...] paxtest does not link to libpthread, nor does it create threads, at all. How can you claim it's multithreaded? i did not. if you quote my post like this: let me get back to the topic of java as i promised above. java is a nice animal as it

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-05 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Artur R. Czechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed the naming scheme. All binary packages contain version in its name, i.e.: t1lib-dev is now named t1lib1-dev. Of course old packages are If you're renaming them anyway, why not follow Policy 8.1 and s/t1lib/libt1-/ (yielding libt1-1,

Re: scarriest changelog entry ever?

2003-11-05 Thread christophe barbe
Shame on me. I did it two days ago with equivs and kept it on my HD but for some reason not in my brain. My only consolation is that I did it because of its FTBFS state. Christophe On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:49:49PM -0500, christophe barbe wrote: amiga-fdisk (0.04-7) unstable; urgency=low

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Peter Busser
Hi! this intentionally calls mprotect(PROT_EXEC) for the highest possible address one can think of. This call has no useful purpose at all. In other words, this is a specific, underhand cheat to trigger 'Vulnerable' messages for all items when running paxtest on exec-shield kernels.

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote: And after all, if exec-shield is being included in the Debian default kernel source, then you are talking about the pride of a 1000 developers that are at stake here. That is not something you should take lightly if you ask me. :-) You mean the single

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written... [snip - package rollback?] all it would take to make the tools handle this would be to somehow make apt aware of more revisions of packages. They're all in the pool after all. Short of making some king of humongous mega-Packages file with

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Ingo Molnar
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glibc creates executable thread stacks by default. [...] to the contrary, glibc does this: [snip] $ rpm -q glibc glibc-2.3.2-101 that's what RedHat's glibc does. [...] yes. The changes are in mainline glibc, everyone will pick

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:35:55PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: If you're renaming them anyway, why not follow Policy 8.1 and s/t1lib/libt1-/ (yielding libt1-1, etc.)? Yes, I thought about it. But there is no strict rule in Policy, just recommendation. There are many other packages which do not

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Ingo Molnar
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote: It is in fact a simulation of a multithreaded application. [...] The test incorrectly assumes that thread stacks are executable. I suspect we both agree that it's desirable to have thread stacks non-executable as well. I objected to adding tests that

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Greg Stark
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written... What does that mean? -- greg

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Greg Stark
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If apt kept even a single old revision in its cache then rolling back could be as simple as apt-get install -t previous libc6 That would be good. (Similarly for aptitude, of course.) One question occurs, however: should this also (try to) roll

binary patch

2003-11-05 Thread Anthraxz __
When doing a package upgrade, I wondy if it should be possible to implement a mecanism for patching binaries instead of replacing the new one ? This could be usefull for use on a slow network connection. There exist somes tools for FreeBSD http://www.daemonology.net

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:20:18PM +, Darren Salt wrote: I keep some around. I'd prefer better management of this, though: ATM all that I can do (with apt-get/aptitude) is remove all older versions or purge the cache. I use a dead simple cron.daily script which prunes packages with an

Re: Exec-Shield vs. PaX

2003-11-05 Thread Ingo Molnar
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: non-executable pages on anything else but i386 is a triviality, as the hardware and the kernel supports it. There's virtually nothing that PaX or exec-shield has to add to enable them - they are there. You are right that the other architectures

Re: binary patch

2003-11-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:52:53PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote: When doing a package upgrade, I wondy if it should be possible to implement a mecanism for patching binaries instead of replacing the new one ? This could be usefull for use on a slow network connection. This would require

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...) Add something like this to the description: These headers are not used to compile kernel modules,

App-specific libraries (was: Re: Bug#218868: ITP: gphpedit -- PHP/HTML/CSS editor with syntax checking)

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Oxer
Hi Joe, Gnome2 should be changed to one of: Good point, changed now locally. I hope to upload the initial package soon, but I've been held up with library issues - gPHPEdit requires a patched version of GtkScintilla2, and the fixes aren't being incorporated into the main tree for some reason.

[coreutils,hppa] - touch broken on hppa

2003-11-05 Thread Marek Habersack
Hello, It seems that touch(1) is broken on hppa: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp/pike7.2-7.2.546$ ls -l build/linux-2.4.20-64-parisc64/precompile.sh -rwxr-xr-x1 grendel Debian 3475 Nov 5 22:47 build/linux-2.4.20-64-parisc64/precompile.sh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp/pike7.2-7.2.546$ touch

Re: App-specific libraries (was: Re: Bug#218868: ITP: gphpedit -- PHP/HTML/CSS editor with syntax checking)

2003-11-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:54:45AM +1100, Jonathan Oxer wrote: I hope to upload the initial package soon, but I've been held up with library issues - gPHPEdit requires a patched version of GtkScintilla2, and the fixes aren't being incorporated into the main tree for some reason. So to upload

Re: binary patch

2003-11-05 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-05 17:37 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: It has been suggested many times in the past to apply a similar idea to the .debs themselves, rather than their contents. But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know exactly how efficiently it detects and compresses binary

Re: App-specific libraries (was: Re: Bug#218868: ITP: gphpedit -- PHP/HTML/CSS editor with syntax checking)

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Oxer
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:29, Matthew Palmer wrote: If the patches would be of general use, I'd try and get them incorporated into the Debian package for scintilla, even if upstream won't take them Good point, I'll look at this. (I'd try and work out amongst those involved *why* it's not

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written... Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written... What does that mean? It's (more or less) from The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The bit in question concerns two philosophers who are

Re: binary patch

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Oxer
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:50, Martin Pitt wrote: But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know exactly how efficiently it detects and compresses binary differences, but it definitely does it and not too bad. With rsync, you get both the easy management of complete debs and the

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Matt Zimmerman may or may not have written... On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:20:18PM +, Darren Salt wrote: I keep some around. I'd prefer better management of this, though: ATM all that I can do (with apt-get/aptitude) is remove all older versions or purge the cache. I use a

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Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:56:37AM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:53:36AM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote: It would be helpful if Debian could even be installed on machines newer than about 2 years old. It would be helpful if

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Andrew Pimlott wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...) Add something like this to the

kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help alleviate that initial perception, IMO. Why not libc6-linux-headers? I'm in two minds

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:21:11AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed seperate from libc? Ths issue is not whether

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-05 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help alleviate that initial perception,

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering about the naming scheme for linux packages - kernel-*. Why not linux-kernel-* or linux-* ? If alternative kernels in debian become more popular, is there a potential for

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Greg Stark
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, no need to Cc: me - or did Gnus not notice the Mail-Followup-To header? Uhm. What Mail-Followup-To header? I didn't receive one on this message, perhaps it's stripped by the mail server? Or perhaps you're mistaken about it being included? I've

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-05 Thread Greg Stark
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations all the time. All the time? ... -- greg

Re: binary patch

2003-11-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 12:50:03AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: On 2003-11-05 17:37 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: It has been suggested many times in the past to apply a similar idea to the .debs themselves, rather than their contents. But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know

Accepted autoconf-archive 20031105-1 (all source)

2003-11-05 Thread Martin A. Godisch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:38:10 +0100 Source: autoconf-archive Binary: autoconf-archive Architecture: source all Version: 20031105-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Martin A. Godisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Martin

Accepted debootstrap 0.2.16 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:09:41 +0100 Source: debootstrap Binary: debootstrap-udeb debootstrap Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.2.16 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted sketch 0.6.15-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:50:41 +0200 Source: sketch Binary: sketch Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6.15-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gregor Hoffleit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gregor Hoffleit [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted bootp 2.4.3-11 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Herbert Xu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:52:40 +1100 Source: bootp Binary: bootp Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.4.3-11 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: bootp

Accepted hdf5 1.6.1-2 (i386 source all)

2003-11-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:24:54 +0100 Source: hdf5 Binary: libhdf5-lam-dev libhdf5-mpich-1.6.1-0 libhdf5-lam-1.6.1-0 hdf5-tools libhdf5-mpich-dev libhdf5-serial-dev libhdf5-doc libhdf5-serial-1.6.1-0 Architecture: source all i386 Version:

Accepted x86info 1.12b-2 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Mark Brown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:21:26 + Source: x86info Binary: x86info Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.12b-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted diff 2.8.1-6 (i386 source all)

2003-11-05 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:55:58 +0100 Source: diff Binary: diff-doc diff Architecture: source all i386 Version: 2.8.1-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Santiago Vila [EMAIL

Accepted wireless-tools 26-2 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Guus Sliepen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:31:54 +0100 Source: wireless-tools Binary: wireless-tools libiw-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 26-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Guus Sliepen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Guus Sliepen

Accepted phpmyadmin 2.5.4-0.3 (all source)

2003-11-05 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:21:29 +0100 Source: phpmyadmin Binary: phpmyadmin Architecture: source all Version: 2.5.4-0.3 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Piotr Roszatycki

Accepted lemon 1.0+20031105-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Guus Sliepen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:23:35 +0100 Source: lemon Binary: lemon Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0+20031105-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Guus Sliepen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Guus Sliepen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Accepted pyg 0.9.6-3 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Cosimo Alfarano
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:59:29 +0100 Source: pyg Binary: pyg Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.6-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Cosimo Alfarano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Cosimo Alfarano [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted monster-masher 1.4-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:31:43 +0100 Source: monster-masher Binary: monster-masher Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL

Accepted conglomerate 0.7.6-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Geert Stappers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:14:41 + Source: conglomerate Binary: conglomerate Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.7.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Geert Stappers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Geert Stappers

Accepted exim4 4.24-3 (i386 source all)

2003-11-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:18:38 +0100 Source: exim4 Binary: eximon4 exim4-daemon-custom exim4-daemon-heavy exim4-base exim4 exim4-daemon-light exim4-config Architecture: source i386 all Version: 4.24-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted hardware-monitor 0.7-5 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:52:55 +0100 Source: hardware-monitor Binary: hardware-monitor Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.7-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sven Luther [EMAIL

Accepted vmelilo 1.5.3 (m68k source)

2003-11-05 Thread Richard Hirst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:58:16 + Source: vmelilo Binary: vmelilo Architecture: source m68k Version: 1.5.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Richard Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Richard Hirst [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted apt-listbugs 0.0.34 (all source)

2003-11-05 Thread Masato Taruishi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:26:50 +0900 Source: apt-listbugs Binary: apt-listbugs Architecture: source all Version: 0.0.34 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Masato Taruishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Masato Taruishi [EMAIL

Accepted runit-run 0.3.0 (all source)

2003-11-05 Thread Gerrit Pape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:59:13 + Source: runit-run Binary: runit-run Architecture: source all Version: 0.3.0 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted dsniff 2.4b1-3.4 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Steve Kemp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Weds, 05 Nove 2003 14:52:04 + Source: dsniff Binary: dsniff Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.4b1-3.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted workrave 1.4.1-1 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Michael Piefel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:44:42 +0100 Source: workrave Binary: workrave Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.4.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Michael Piefel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael Piefel [EMAIL

Accepted sawfish 1:1.3+cvs20031104-2 (i386 source all)

2003-11-05 Thread Christian Marillat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:43:16 +0100 Source: sawfish Binary: sawfish-gnome sawfish sawfish-lisp-source Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1:1.3+cvs20031104-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Christian Marillat [EMAIL

Accepted anna 0.043 (i386 source all)

2003-11-05 Thread Joey Hess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:36:57 -0500 Source: anna Binary: anna load-installer Architecture: source i386 all Version: 0.043 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Joey Hess

Accepted linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-8 (i386 source)

2003-11-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:32:07 -0500 Source: linux-kernel-headers Binary: linux-kernel-headers Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: GNU Libc Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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