Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 = An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/. I am preparing the second revision of the current stable Debian distribution (woody) which will probably be released soon. This report is to allow

Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Nicolas Rueff
Tout ça pour dire que devenir DD, c'est bien, mais se taper 250 bornes pour faire signer sa clé, ça me parait pas terrible ... Y aurait-il un DD dans les régions sus-citées ? -- .,p***=b_ Nicolas Rueff ?P .__ `*b Montbéliard - France |P .d?'`, 9| http://rueff.tuxfamily.org M: |}

Re: Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Nicolas Rueff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo, Tout ça pour dire que devenir DD, c'est bien, mais se taper 250 bornes pour faire signer sa clé, ça me parait pas terrible ... Y aurait-il un DD dans les régions sus-citées ? Oui. Je suis à Belfort en semaine et à Colmar le week-end. JB. --

Re: Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:27:38PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: Nicolas Rueff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo, Tout ça pour dire que devenir DD, c'est bien, mais se taper 250 bornes pour faire signer sa clé, ça me parait pas terrible ... Y aurait-il un DD dans les régions sus-citées ?

Re: Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le Tuesday 11 November 2003, Nicolas Rueff écrit : Tout ça pour dire que devenir DD, c'est bien, mais se taper 250 bornes pour faire signer sa clé, ça me parait pas terrible ... Y aurait-il un DD dans les régions sus-citées ? Quant à moi, je sur sur Mulhouse et travail à l'EuroAirPort.

Re: Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Nicolas Rueff
Ainsi parla Nicolas Rueff le 315ème jour de l'an 2003: Tout ça pour dire que devenir DD, c'est bien, mais se taper 250 bornes pour faire signer sa clé, ça me parait pas terrible ... Y aurait-il un DD dans les régions sus-citées ? Après avoir reçu quelques réponses, une question m'est venue

Re: Cherche DD pour signature de clé sur 25/90/68/70

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wednesday November 12 2003 05:21, Sven Luther wrote: Moi je suis sur Strasbourg, mais je peut me deplacer eventuellement. Je crois que Raphael est aussi sur le sud de l'alsace. Moi je suis sur Okazaki, mais je peux me déplacer sur Nagoya assez facilement. Comment-ça je sors ? Mike

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:29, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:08:16AM +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert

ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, since more than a few months, I am maintainer of the linux-atm package. I have used that package for my work until june, when I changed jobs. I have put up the package for adoption, but continue to maintain it until someone else offers to take it. I don't think that I am doing too bad a job

Kernel 2.4.22-k7-1: initrd cannot mount proc from cramfs image

2003-11-11 Thread Nicola Larosa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [Found the thread about init/cramfs, this seems a different issue.] I installed the kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 package on an Asus L3355M laptop, but it won't boot, giving the same kernel panic with both lilo and grub. Relevant parameters for lilo:

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I There's more than one person behind ftpmaster. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it,

Latest version of fvwm packaged

2003-11-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, The development branch of fvwm is nearing a stable release, and has had a huge number of new features. The maintainer has been very reluctant to package this branch, even in a people.debian.org repository, so I decided to package FVWM 2.5.8 for myself; and I have decided to share

Re: Latest version of fvwm packaged

2003-11-11 Thread Lukas Ruf
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-11 09:58]: Hi, The development branch of fvwm is nearing a stable release, and has had a huge number of new features. The maintainer has been very reluctant to package this branch, even in a people.debian.org repository, so I decided to

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Andreas Metzler
Eike Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Suffield schrieb: [...] - this packages adds nothing, and would occupy a fair chunk of space in the archive. I don't know how short Debian is of space. How large would Robert's packages be? ~30MB for linux_2.4.22.orig.tar.gz and a single

Re: radiusd-freeradius history and future

2003-11-11 Thread Javier Fernndez-Sanguino Pea
On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:21:53PM -0500, Chad Miller wrote: [cc debian-devel] On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 05:07:41PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: [...] Who withdrew [radiusd-freeradius] or caused it's withdrewal, then? Curious minds want to know, and also, it's a bit misty right

Re: Latest version of fvwm packaged

2003-11-11 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:39:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The development branch of fvwm is nearing a stable release, and has had a huge number of new features. The maintainer has been very reluctant to package this branch, even in a people.debian.org repository, so I decided

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:16:23AM +, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I There's more than one person

Re: [SSI-devel] development direction...

2003-11-11 Thread Csan
Hello all, I'm Cc:-ing debian-devel The original thread is at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6473235 The question is whether there are any processes within the Debian project that could eliminate the obstacles Aneesh pointed out to us. Regs, Csan (I'm not subscribed to

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-11 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:53:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: * Package name: xfree86-driver-synaptics Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a driver module *for* the XFree86 X server,

RE: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Julian Mehnle
Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:18:51AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Even if this is not a personal issue of Mr. Troup towards me, having ftpmaster behave like A today and like B tomorrow is a bad thing. If I There's more than one person behind ftpmaster. Obviously, he knows

Re: create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:11:45PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: 'linux' is a perfect name for the package. The tarballs contain that very name. Note that the name is choosen not only to attract the user, but also to catch that who blindly use apt-get source linux. The user wouldn't get

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:08:48PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: Of course, I'm far from a compiler and chip design expert (or even novice); this is what I remember from my classes last year. :) But it shows how complicated optimizing compilers can get, and why you can't say any optimization is

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread James Troup
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had to wait almost three weeks to have the package REJECTED by ftpmaster 20031023144719~jennifer~Moving to new~linux-atm_2.4.1-10_i386.changes 20031103144602~lisa~rejected~linux-atm_2.4.1-10_i386.changes Hmm, that doesn't even look like 2 weeks to me...

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Will Newton
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 19:54, Andrew Suffield wrote: We refuse to accept it blindly because it's wrong. There have been cases when architecture-specific optimisations have made programs run slower (recently the instruction ordering for that via i686 chip comes to mind); GCC gets it wrong from

Re: Kernel 2.4.22-k7-1: initrd cannot mount proc from cramfs image

2003-11-11 Thread Herbert Xu
Nicola Larosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 3532 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. Freeing initrd memory: 3532k freed VFS: mounted root (cramfs filesystem). mount: Usage: mount [-t filesystemtype] [-o options,...] device

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Troup. He was unusually polite, but the mail exchange ended with him announcing that Well, sorry, but I'm personally not prepared to add (overrides for) a package to unstable with nothing but an 8k binary

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:33 +, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the series of mails that followed the initial REJECT, I said (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]): | If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another | ftp-master or get rough consensus on debian-devel that I'm

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:35:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: I'm so scared. wchan won't be displayable! What were you saying about sarcasm? The fact remains that it's a bug, You're going outside the scope of the question. Someone argued the way System.map is upgraded is a dessign

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Santiago Vila wrote: If Robert is such an incompetent developer as some people say and the package does not build on the 11 different architectures, then the package will not propagate to testing and the world will be safe from

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:23:52PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:03:38PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for wchan to be displayable.

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:28, Isaac To wrote: Unless one patch the kernel to support all the things like .pid files in /proc, futex, O(1) scheduler, ...  (i.e., as in the 2.4 kernel of Redhat). I have been seriously considering a kernel-patch-2.4-redhat package which contains a patch with

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:54:26AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:33 +, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the series of mails that followed the initial REJECT, I said (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]): | If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:50:54PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:58:46AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:43:49PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: 1) You said before you were concerned about my package occupiing the package namespace in

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Thanks for addressing this. Well, it is in [EMAIL PROTECTED] - instead of answering what actually justifies that name, there is only another subset of {look in the first proposal|look at Herbert agreeing (vague)|there are others

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:57:12AM -0800, A.J. Rossini wrote: Why does the lack of response from Herbert prove that this package is a bad idea? I'm saddened that you have to revert to intimidation in place of a technical argument. Herbert did respond with a single message, somewhat

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Daniel Silverstone
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 10:54, Marc Haber wrote: | If you disagree with that, you can either try your luck with another | ftp-master or get rough consensus on debian-devel that I'm wrong. You are the secret Boss of the project. You control who gets accounts, has her key in the key ring, and you

Bug#220199: ITP: mecab -- a Japanese Morphological Analysis System

2003-11-11 Thread TSUCHIYA Masatoshi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mecab Version : 0.76 Upstream Author : Taku Kudo [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL or Web page : http://cl.aist-nara.ac.jp/~taku-ku/software/mecab/ * License : LGPL Description : a Japanese Morphological Analysis System Mecab

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:24:35PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:08:48PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: Of course, I'm far from a compiler and chip design expert (or even novice); this is what I remember from my classes last year. :) But it shows how complicated

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:19:58AM +, Will Newton wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 19:54, Andrew Suffield wrote: We refuse to accept it blindly because it's wrong. There have been cases when architecture-specific optimisations have made programs run slower (recently the instruction

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:14:30AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote: I found this idea very interesting. I think that the debian project should take more advantage of the freedesktop.org libs. Glancing briefly at the packages in sid, we've been using the ones they have released for a

Re: create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Jamie Wilkinson [Mon, Nov 10 2003, 06:54:22PM]: The fact of the too generic package name was mentioned before within other arguments against your linux package. IIRC you prefered not to answer to it but refered to an URL which

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, A.J. Rossini wrote: Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Eduard Bloch wrote: You repeat this again and again and got answers from me and others to such an ultimate argument. But did you ask yourself why Herbert does not participiate

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:58:46AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:43:49PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: 1) You said before you were concerned about my package occupiing the package namespace in the archive. The

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:32:11AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote: Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: apt-get source kernel-image-* doesn't bring me the real source. Instead, if I want the real source I must be root and install a binary package. Do you deny that this is confusing? I

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:31:39AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: But you haven't responded to any of the *legitimate* arguments, except to say they're bogus, and that you solve them by ignoring them. That implies all my responses merely claim they're bogus. It's very easy to pretend that, but

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:25:41PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:17:58PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: - I'm not trying to make a package, the package is already made and it works fine. I'm using it right now. Okay, please don't write software or maintain

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Garrett wrote: Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for wchan to be displayable. I'm so scared. wchan won't be displayable! What were you saying

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan wrote: Place the package files in /usr/lib, and copy them conditionaly (debconf) into /boot. The debconf question would properly explain that if per chooses to update it, then the system must be rebooted promptly. Another option: Place the

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:24:35PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:08:48PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: Of course, I'm far from a compiler and chip design expert (or even novice); this is what I remember from my classes

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Garrett wrote: Jamie Wilkinson wrote: I do not expect Robert's package to make any more of an attempt to convince you a reboot is required than any of the other kernel packages. The current kernel packages include the version number in the package name,

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: How do the current kernel packages guarantee this? Why would Robert's package need to behave any differently? The current kernel packages don't make the old stuff just dissappear, so it's less of an issue in that case. In fact, the

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:29:58AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: Robert Millan writes: And even if it was, I claimed my packages has some advantages, but didn't claim it doesn't have any disadvantages. Please explain why the putative advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I don't have to

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:41:53AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: In what way is updating between releases worse than updating within the same release? It is worse because a lot more code changes. I am sure that you have enough packaging (and Debian user) experience to recognize that. I am

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan wrote: being presented with. I'd really LOVE to. But this is my discussion. If I don't take part in it, who will respond to all these bogus arguments some people enjoy sending in? Rather, this is you and the other trolls who are wasting my time. What

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-11 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 = An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/. I am preparing the second revision of the

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Glenn McGrath wrote: A program that is CPU bound will benefit from compiler optimisations. Define compiler optimisations. The teoretical compiler optimisations would run your programs faster, but... too much people spoke about optimisation without knowing what it means. Do you think -O3 would

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Eike Sauer
Andreas Metzler schrieb: Eike Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There already are several packages with complete kernel sources which take as much place as his package would, right? Robert does not propose to remove the existing kernel-source packages Even he was a bit vague about that

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Eike Sauer
Robert Millan schrieb: I don't see why. I have a bunch of resources to find a solution for this trivial bug. You are implying the other DDs are your ressource for finding what you are calling trivial bugs. They are not. It's your duty to think of most of it beforehand. If you didn't want to

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Robert Millan [Tue, Nov 11 2003, 12:21:32PM]: (This is exactly the same question as Matthew asked, of course; but it is an important question relative to this ITP and I want to see it answered.) I don't like turning this ITP into a technical discussion to prove either

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:26:43AM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: apt-get source kernel-image-* doesn't bring me the real source. Instead, if I want the real source I must be root and install a binary package. Do you deny that this is confusing? Non-intuitive? Yes, I grant you

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:34:23PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:57:02PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: But the real results are shown through Popularity Contest [1] when my package reaches unstable. So keep your arguments on this for later. That is possibly the

Re: Kernel 2.4.22-k7-1: initrd cannot mount proc from cramfs image

2003-11-11 Thread Nicola Larosa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the attention, Herbert. If you're using busybox then try regenerating the initrd image with BUSYBOX=no. I did not generate the image, i'm using a stock kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 package, no trace of busybox in the initrd image, and it's

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:29:48PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:57:02PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:47:37PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Look, if you want to waste time, waste _yours_. OTOH, if you want to take part in the

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-11 Thread Tom Badran
On Monday 10 November 2003 23:56, Darren Salt wrote: Converting some multiplies to shifts (or shift plus some other arithmetic), or arranging that one of the source registers normally contains the lower value, can also help. (At least, on ARM...) Gcc already does do this when appropriate

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:22:13PM +0100, Eike Sauer wrote: Hello! Hi Eike, The discussion doesn't seem to be very productive any more. Time to come to a compromise? Sounds nice. What about letting Robert build and upload (if ftp-masters agree) his package, *if* he puts it in

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: Kernels install /boot/System.map-$version. There's a symlink from /boot/System.map to the current version. And Robert's proposal currently results in the System.map-$version for my current kernel vanishing, along with my modules. You are told you need to reboot after

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 11, Daniel Silverstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When linux-atm gets to the point that the br2684ctl program is sufficiently stable to be included in the main package, I invite you to file a bug requesting that the br2684ctl source package be removed, having been obsoleted by the

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:30:54PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: - this packages adds nothing, and would occupy a fair chunk of space in the archive. The advantages cited were rapidly debunked and no more were given. I haven't seen any of them being debunked. The only exception is the

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-11 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:59:24AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: I'm confused. On the one hand, you say: The regulations for stable are quite conservative. The requirements for packages to get into stable are: 1. The package fixes a security problem. An advisory by our own Security

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:36:30AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: Robert does not propose to remove the existing kernel-source packages therefore the calculation is simple - more than 100MB required space Approximately. It depends on how many architectures can be supported. in exchange for

Re: create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jamie Wilkinson [Tue, Nov 11 2003, 11:28:43PM]: Note that the name is choosen not only to attract the user, but also to catch that who blindly use apt-get source linux. The user wouldn't get the well-known and good kernel-source packages but something which is under control

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:59:32PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan wrote: Place the package files in /usr/lib, and copy them conditionaly (debconf) into /boot. The debconf question would properly explain that if per chooses to update it, then the

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Jamie Wilkinson [Tue, Nov 11 2003, 11:40:11PM]: There are already several forks of the Linux kernel in Debian anyway. Robert wishes to attempt to unify them, does that not grant him use of the name 'linux'? Bug nobody was bold enough to take exactly this (as said very

Re: Tutor in Torino: cercasi

2003-11-11 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il mar, 2003-11-11 alle 13:27, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto ha scritto: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: almeno due di sicuro ;P forza GRANATA! :P il mio colore preferito e` blu cobalto. -- Federico Di Gregorio Debian GNU/Linux Developer[EMAIL

Re: radiusd-freeradius history and future

2003-11-11 Thread Chad Miller
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:13:22AM +0100, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:21:53PM -0500, Chad Miller wrote: [cc debian-devel] On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 05:07:41PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: [...] Who withdrew [radiusd-freeradius] or caused

Re: create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-11 Thread John Hasler
Jamie Wilkinson writes: However, this is the word 'linux'. What else do you think it could possibly refer to? Most people seem to think that 'Linux' is the name for the whole kit and kaboodle: kernel, userland, and everything. They are wrong, but they still will be confused by a package named

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Michael Poole
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:29:58AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: Robert Millan writes: And even if it was, I claimed my packages has some advantages, but didn't claim it doesn't have any disadvantages. Please explain why the putative advantages

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:17:10PM +0100, Eike Sauer wrote: Robert Millan schrieb: I don't see why. I have a bunch of resources to find a solution for this trivial bug. You are implying the other DDs are your ressource for finding what you are calling trivial bugs. They are not. It's your

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 12:13:42AM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: I've had another thought, which was spurred by the System.map discussion; and some people are probably going to hate it because it duplicates some of the effort of having a package management system in the first place. The

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Andreas Metzler
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:29:58AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: [...] 5) How will you handle architectures where the current upstream kernel is not based on the same version as your package? The main suggestion I see is that they'd have to use the current

Bug#220212: ITP: zope-zstylesheet -- Simple product designed to allow easy style sheets

2003-11-11 Thread nledez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-zstylesheet Version : 4.2.5 Upstream Author : Adrian 'Haqa' Hungate [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://zope.org/Members/haqa/ZStyleSheet * License : OpenSource Description : Simple product designed to

Bug#220216: ITP: zope-lockablefolder -- variant of the standard Folder that can restrict access to its contents

2003-11-11 Thread nledez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-lockablefolder Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Butch Landingin [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.zope.org/Members/butchland/LockableFolder * License : BSD ? Description : variant of the standard

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 12:19:33AM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: What I'd really like to see is some packages uploaded to your home on gluck, because this thread isn't advancing *anyones* arguments. I did that a few days before sending the ITP:

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:29:13PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: I don't like turning this ITP into a technical discussion to prove either my dessign is consistent or I'm capable as a maintainer. However I'll respond to your question this time: Why could you not just wait for the

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 13:11, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:14:30AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote: I found this idea very interesting. I think that the debian project should take more advantage of the freedesktop.org libs. Glancing briefly at the packages in

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Steve Greenland
What is so damn hard about respecting a Mail-Followup-To: header? On 11-Nov-03, 06:24 (CST), Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't claim all of them are trolling. But a few of them are. Also IIRC I haven't put in question their experience as developers. Your reply to Marcello:

Bug#220219: ITP: vbtp -- VisioBraille's Transfer Protocol

2003-11-11 Thread Sbastien Hinderer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: vbtp Version : 1.0 Upstream Authors : Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sébastien Hinderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.thibault/vbtp-1.0.tar.gz * License : GPL, version 2 or

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-11 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Eike Sauer wrote: Andreas Metzler schrieb: Eike Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There already are several packages with complete kernel sources which take as much place as his package would, right? Robert does not propose to remove the existing

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:21:32PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: or who pretend the dessign of my package is broken in a way that I can't solve such trivial bugs. Look, you see whatever you want to see, but you are still missing the forest for the trees. When I mentioned System.map this was

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:21:32PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:23:52PM +, Colin Watson wrote: As a prospective maintainer of an important package, it ill behooves you to make fun of legitimate bug reports. No, you're confused. I don't blame you because you

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:54:38 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This one time, at band camp, Matthew Garrett wrote: Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for wchan to

Re: Latest version of fvwm packaged

2003-11-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:02:49 +0100, Lukas Ruf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-11 09:58]: Hi, The development branch of fvwm is nearing a stable release, and has had a huge number of new features. The maintainer has been very reluctant to package this

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Re: RFC: Moving libraries to /lib?

2003-11-11 Thread Chet Ramey
Okay, since discussion on -devel has died, here is what I do: On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:54:00AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: I got a bug report on libldap2 which requests to move the libraries to=20 /lib, as /usr can not be unmounted when using PAM/NSS and LDAP (#159771). =20 I

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-11 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:26:25 +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 = An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/. I am preparing the second

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:40:11PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: There are already several forks of the Linux kernel in Debian anyway. Robert wishes to attempt to unify them, does that not grant him use of the name 'linux'? No he doesn't. He wants to create a new arbitrary patch set, in a

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:21:32PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: How do you propose to do that without changing the package name, and without leaving old System.map junk around for eternity? I don't see how it can be possible. (This is exactly the same question as Matthew asked, of

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:45:31PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:25:41PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:17:58PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: - I'm not trying to make a package, the package is already made and it works fine. I'm

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:47:14PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: However, for the matter of finding out wether there will be much people in that userbase, there's the Popularity Contest. Some people just never learn. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' :

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:10:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: The question was: How do you provide 2.4.x for architecture blah and 2.4.y for architecture foo, which are two versions of the same upstream branch. just to give you a better idea of what we are talking about here, these

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