Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Alexander Winston
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: Debian 3.0 contains 7 CDs with binaries and Debian 3.1 might contain 10 or more CDs. How do you explain to a user why there are 10 CDs, but this popular package is not included, and that package he needs is not included? Saying The

Re: zebra not in sarge

2003-11-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:34:03 -0500, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just noted that zebra is not in sarge. Is it going to be phased out? Besides quagga, are there any other good routing daemons? Zebra is dead upstream. Use quagga. It's the same code base with a lot of improvements and

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:23:42PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: unace Version : 1.2b Upstream Author : Marcel Lemke [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : None. Google for unace-1.2b.tar.gz I hope you can do better than that

Re: RFA: A lot of packages

2003-11-16 Thread Andrés Roldán
Yep, I uploaded amap as well :) Daniel Gubser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Sam, 2003-11-15 um 16.52 schrieb Andrés Roldán: I will make an upload today then. sorry to be so late but Christian Perrier made an upload for uptimed today: http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/uptimed/news/1.html

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: Filip Van Raemdonck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : libxklavier gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by ftp-master. This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer does not mean quality. I was

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread David Starner
Alexander Winston wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand on the outside and complain then actually work to making it better?

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Description : De-archiver for .ace files This is clumsy. Please say extraction utility for .ace archive files It's analogous to the descriptions in arj and unzip. or something similar (see descriptions for unarj, zoo etc

Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Otto Wyss
I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make a fully correct lilo.conf by itself? Besides the text is wrong instead of initrd=initrd.img

Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my work preparation turned into ashes. Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Why should he? If

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Otto! Otto Wyss schrieb am Sunday, den 16. November 2003: I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make a fully correct

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Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:04:15AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Description : De-archiver for .ace files This is clumsy. Please say extraction utility for .ace archive files It's analogous to the descriptions in arj

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody must do that. No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about duplicate work when it turns out that you're not

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Adrian Bunk wrote: - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for production systems Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backports works nice, also on production systems. -- - nobse

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand on the outside and complain

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:35:57AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: The problem with your pragmatic approach is that every of your users has other packages he cares about. A package you care zero about might be the killer application for some users.

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* David Starner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 10:55]: Alexander Winston wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand on the

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Blars Blarson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given a person with the hardware and time I'm certain support can be added in a single day. The big problem is getting access to the hardware directly or indirectly through a tester. Given that

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alexander Winston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: Debian 3.0 contains 7 CDs with binaries and Debian 3.1 might contain 10 or more CDs. How do you explain to a user why there are 10 CDs, but this popular package is not included, and that

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find a sponsor etc. I would rather have a package from a registered maintainer, if you don't mind. Thats stupid. A DD already has

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Otto Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make a fully correct lilo.conf by itself? Besides the

Re: POSIX capabilities patch

2003-11-16 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 15, Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry: http://www.linux.it/~md/software/ssd.tgz . Should that go into /sbin/init itself, so that you can boot with initcaps=eip,cap_setpcap+eip on the command line

Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Palmer
Hello, I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. (1) What is the best language to start with? Some say C. Others say C++. Some say learn C, then go on to C++. Others

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 13:40]: Adopting is easy compared to getting a NMU or a hijack sponsort. My first upload to the archive was a (of course sponsored) hijack. So, it's possible (but I had however the blessings of Martin on d-qa, and more-than-one-try to reach the

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find a sponsor etc. I would rather have a package from a

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my work preparation turned into ashes. Duck, perhaps you

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:57:23PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: I don't mind changing it, but you should speak with the maintainers of arj and unzip first (just for the sake of consistency). In the case of package descriptions, I don't think that consistently bad is better than

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from your

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
[ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] * Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-14 11:34]: I´ve been told that this is caused by some toolchain and kernel problems on mips that make the buildds running slow. I talked to Ryan about the mips port about two weeks ago; I'll try to

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my work preparation turned into ashes. Duck, why did you do any preparation before writing the ITP yourself? You did work on your own

Bug#221075: ITP: type-handling -- Virtual packages for extending architecture handling

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: type-handling Version : 0.0.0 * URL : http://people.debian.org/~rmh/type-handling/ * License : GPL Description : Virtual packages for extending architecture handling This package provides virtual packages

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:04:15AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Description : De-archiver for .ace files This is clumsy. Please say extraction utility for .ace archive

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: I am trying to get a new hard drive for this machine, but unfortunately the hardware donations manager is currently on vacation and hasn't responded to my mail yet; we might just buy one if he doesn't

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:09:17PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: | Hmm, do you mean that *you* don't speak about de-archivers? | [ This is the first time I hear about this in 6 years ]. | | Google says: | | dearchiver 391 hits | de-archiver 1660 hits | unarchiver 1240 hits | un-archiver 1500

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote: Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from your combined efforts. As Martin

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:02:45 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Starner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 10:55]: [...] Actually, Adrian Bunk _was_ a Debian maintainer, but he retired; see http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=581. He actively chose to make these posts

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-17 0:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: If you don't write the ITP first, you run the risk of somebody else duplicating your work! Exactly what happened here. Not quite exactly, as far as I understood, Filip did not send an ITP at all. This would have decreased the chance of

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] * Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-14 11:34]: I´ve been told that this is caused by some toolchain and kernel problems on mips that make the

Bug#221090: ITP: libgnuinet-java -- extension library to provide extra network protocol support

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libgnuinet-java Version : 0.0.cvs20031116 Upstream Author : Chris Burdess * URL or Web page : http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/classpath * License : GPL v2 Description : extension library to provide extra network

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Thats stupid. A DD already has some packages so on average he will have less time to care for yet another package. There's so many variables influencing the level of support developers are able to offer for their packages

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
Please don't misinterpret my terse replies for annoyance or flaming. This is really a non-issue, and my email reflects that. On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote: As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons, look at the program, and then, when you relly

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody must do that. It's simply a matter of timing and fact. The sooner you ITP, the less likely

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Colin Watson | On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: | On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: | If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least | NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand |

Bug#221111: ITP: libcharles0 -- Data structure library for Ada95 modelled on the C++ STL

2003-11-16 Thread Ludovic Brenta
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libcharles0 Version : 0.0.20030813 Upstream Author : Matthew J. Heaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://home.earthlink.net/~matthewjheaney/charles/ * License : GPL Description : Data structure library for

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Kenshi Muto wrote: At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 = An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/. I am preparing the second revision of the current stable

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. C is useful, stable, has a huge following. C++ is useful,

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread John Hasler
Josip Rodin writes: It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and bites us in the ass whenever there's the slightest bit of a problem. Example: I recently had an opportunity to arrange the donation of five

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:17:08 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody If you don't

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Filip Van Raemdonck
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: Filip Van Raemdonck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : libxklavier gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by ftp-master. This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer does not mean quality. What's

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Filip Van Raemdonck
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:30PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: I'm sorry that you feel disappointed, but the other developer didn't seem to do anything really nasty, he was merely much more expeditious than you were. He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event he

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:17:07PM +0100, Duck wrote: ITP means simply intent to package. Anyone can, and judging by this case probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw your ITP later. Good behavior that

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ITP means simply intent to package. Anyone can, and judging by this case probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw your ITP

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after all work is done. And there are many cases where Debian has said no, we don't want your package.

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Kenshi Muto wrote: At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 = An up-to-date version is at http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/.

dpatch 2.0.0 uploaded to experimental

2003-11-16 Thread Gergely Nagy
(Umm... err... *swallow*, *crowd laughs*, well...) Hello Nurse! I mean, PEOPLE! I always wanted to read my own post to debian-devel-announce, so I now take the opportunity to pollute^Wannounce a set of BIG changes in dpatch. There are significant changes in both the code and in how the

Re: Bug#163252: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:55:46 +0100, Duck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Filip Van Raemdonck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : libxklavier gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by ftp-master. This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer does not mean quality.

Bug#221126: ITP: di -- disk information utility -- more powerful than df

2003-11-16 Thread Kevin M. Rosenberg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: di Version : 3.9 Upstream Author : Brad Lanam * URL : http://www.gentoo.com/di/ * License : BSD Description : disk information utility -- more powerful than df 'di' is a disk information utility,

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 09:33, Cameron Patrick wrote: I'm a native English speaker and I don't believe I've ever heard the term de-archiver; its meaning is clear, but it sounds 'wrong'. The hyphen, especially, looks out of place. Unarchiver is what I'd use if I had to coin a word for it, but

Bug#221132: ITP: kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs -- Linux kernel image for version 2.4.22 w/ XFS support

2003-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs Version : 2.4.22-3-1 Upstream Author : Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] et al. * License : GPL Description : Linux kernel image for version 2.4.22 w/ XFS support This package is essentially a

How to manage shared Debconf questions?

2003-11-16 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Hello, I maintain the source package pilot-link. Pilot-link is a set tools to communicate with a Palm PDA (through serial, USB or infra red). This source package provides a library libpisock8 and a package with command line tools pilot-link. The library uses by default the file /dev/pilot.

Bug#221135: ITP: imediff2 -- interactive full screen 2-way merge tool

2003-11-16 Thread Jarno Elonen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: imediff2 Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Jarno Elonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://iki.fi/elonen/code/imediff/ * License : GPL Description : interactive full screen 2-way merge tool Imediff2 lets you

Re: ttmkfdir and libfreetype6

2003-11-16 Thread Robin
Okay, it turns out Jubal is alive and well. I had merely filtered out his reply a tad bit too agressively. - Robin signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:14:48 +0100, Duck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons, look at the program, and then, when you relly want to package it, write an ITP. I won't post hundreds of ITPs in advance to be sure to get the packages i like

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Adrian Bunk wrote: - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for production systems Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backports works nice, also on production systems. Err, do you realize you're telling

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:34:09AM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Adrian Bunk wrote: - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for production systems Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backports works

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? That's reasuring, since you seem to be one of the few persons who's got some information on the

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Palmer
Thank you Paul, Chad, Wesley and Bernhard. Regards, David.

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:40:13AM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make a fully correct lilo.conf by

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the new installation system for sarge. We want screenshots! I have tried

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:10:14PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? That's reasuring, since

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread David Weinehall
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:52:32AM +1100, Brian May wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the new installation

Re: Bug#220358: ITP: mecab-ipadic -- IPA dictionary compiled for Mecab

2003-11-16 Thread Paul Hampson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 02:23:59PM +0100, Tim Dijkstra wrote: On 14 Nov 2003 13:18:02 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] TSUCHIYA Masatoshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each User may also freely distribute the Program, whether in

RE: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Julian Mehnle
Brian May wrote: I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: [...] 3. Software raid support? That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID.

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 2. Grub instead of Lilo? Look closer.. :-) Using GRUB is possible, though LILO is the default. You just need to lower the debconf priority just to get some more questions.and main-menu entries.

Re: How to manage shared Debconf questions?

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Ludovic Rousseau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I maintain the source package pilot-link. Pilot-link is a set tools to communicate with a Palm PDA (through serial, USB or infra red). This source package provides a library libpisock8 and a package with command line tools pilot-link. The library

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:33:47PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:09:17PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: | Hmm, do you mean that *you* don't speak about de-archivers? | [ This is the first time I hear about this in 6 years ]. | | Google says: | | dearchiver 391

Re: Bug#219959: ITP: mozilla-locale-eu -- Mozilla Basque Language Package

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:58, Jordi Mallach wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:59:45PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote: The mozilla-locale* packages need some uniformity to their short (and maybe long, I haven't looked) descriptions. (Mozilla $LANG Language Package, Mozilla $LANG language add-on,

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:03, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  packaging wrk that would be thrown away. ITP _after_ looking at the  program, and _before_ packaging it.  And I personally wait until I That's a matter of opinion. I generally don't ITP until I already have something that's

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. Good call :) I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. Go not to Usenet - for you will be told Yes,

Bug#221164: ITP: sec -- Simple Event Correlator

2003-11-16 Thread Jaakko Niemi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: sec Version : 2.1.11 Upstream Author : Risto Vaarandi * URL : http://www.estpak.ee/~risto/sec/ * License : GPLv2 Description : Simple Event Correlator SEC is a simple event correlation tool that takes

Re: Bug#155583: radiusd-freeradius history and future

2003-11-16 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:36:53AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think dpkg-statoverride is not too bad in this case. I'll talk to the nis package maintainer and see if that's acceptable. If not, nis could install

Bug#221163: ITP: libjessie-java -- free implementation of the Java Secure Sockets Extention (JSSE)

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libjessie-java Version : 0.9.4 Upstream Author : Casey Marshall * URL or Web page : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/jessie/ * License : GNU General Public License V2 Description : free implementation of the Java

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, At Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:30:26 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: If I understood you correctly, you want me to remove these packages: ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-kochi-mincho-naga10 ttf-xwatanabe-mincho watanabe-vfont ttf-xtt-wadalab-gothic (source

Re: Bug#219996: ITP: oinkmaster -- Simple snort rules manager

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:11, Roberto Moreda wrote: * Package name: oinkmaster Description : Simple snort rules manager The capitalisation of Simple and snort should be reversed. I would also remove simple altogether, but perhaps that's an important feature (as if there would be

Re: Bug#220034: ITP: gtk-acl -- GTK front end to manage ACL permissions

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:59, Sebastian D.B. Krause wrote: * Package name: gtk-acl Description : GTK front end to manage ACL permissions tool for managing ACL permissions gtk-acl is a GTK front end to manage ACL permissions on files and directories. You can set write, read and

Re: Bug#220036: ITP: mudpit -- Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 14:20, Roberto Moreda wrote: * Package name: mudpit Description : Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files De-capitalize Spool. Mudpit is a modular spool processor for log/alert files generated by Snort IDS using the unified output format. Among

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Julian Mehnle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian May wrote: I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: [...] 3. Software raid support? That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event he actually made the package in a few minutes), but it's not such a big deal. Another possibility is that one only actually decides that one is willing to maintain the package in

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's one on my desk. It's an embedded board produced by Broadcom, complete with dual cores, IDE, and dual gigabit ethernet. MIPS, Inc. has a similar board; Debian has one of these somewhere, IIRC. These little fellows have more computing power

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID. Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise -- these are slow as a snail compared to md software RAID), and Yuck for

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Starner
This may be somewhat contraversal, but I wouldn't start with C or C++. If you want to learn to program, start with something with bounds checking and other safety guards. To be a serious programmer, you will have to learn C and C++, but learning a programming language is only a small part of

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Eike Sauer
Andrew M.A. Cater schrieb: They may be right - but, as noted elsewhere, much C++ is written by C programmers who don't necessarily use all the features of C++ anyway. ...so don't become one of those and learn C++ _first_. Ciao, Eike PS: I hope I got the message references

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:22:37 +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: And this package is must be removed from only Woody (already fixed in Sarge/Sid): xfonts-intl-japanese-big (Bug#215371) I think it's good idea to update this package to the latest, instead of removing from woody. Milan, do you think

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:26:51PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Since you're posting that as the DPL you're asking for the following reply. Sorry :) It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and bites us in

Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew Lau
Hey everyone, I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms Non-free packages installed on espresso doc-linux-nonfree-textLinux HOWTOs in ASCII

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Tom
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: Hey everyone, I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms Non-free packages installed on espresso

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms Non-free packages installed on espresso

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-16 12:10]: [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? I didn't say that; I simply stressed the importance of (B)CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to ensure getting a reply from the

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 01:46, Eike Sauer wrote: Andrew M.A. Cater schrieb: They may be right - but, as noted elsewhere, much C++ is written by C programmers who don't necessarily use all the features of C++ anyway. ...so don't become one of those and learn C++ _first_. I learnt C++

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms Non-free packages installed on espresso

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