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Re: [RFP?] Besoin d'aide pour la debianisation du logiciel Haplo

2004-10-09 Thread Nicolas LAURENT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J'oubliais de préciser qu'un bug RFP a été ouvert: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=275645 Nicolas LAURENT wrote: | j'ai du mal à m'en sortir... Y a-t-il une ame charitable dans la salle | pour m'aider à faire la premiere debianisation

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Jörg Schilling is damage; the community should route around him

2004-10-09 Thread Branden Robinson
I don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of reading about the petulant behavior of cdrtools's upstream author ([1][2][3]). Mr. Schilling is clearly unhappy with his choice of the GNU GPL for his software. That is his prerogative, but in my view he causes too much chaos and confusion by

Bug#275596: nagios-text removes /etc/nagios on purge

2004-10-09 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 09 Oct 2004, Andrew Pollock wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:32:19AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sat, 09 Oct 2004, Andrew Pollock wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 05:52:39AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: Package: nagios-text Version: 2:1.2-3.6 Severity: serious

Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Stefan Hornburg wrote: First of all documentation. Definitely! Kind regards (and sorry for the ACK message - but it was so necessary) Andreas

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Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:28:10AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 03:51:29PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: I generally have to resort to backports or unstable when installing Debian on recent hardware, because we don't update hardware drivers in stable. Would

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Hi all, we had some discussion about volatile, and I'm more and more considering to pick this task up. I think some issues are quite obvious: - packages should only go in in

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: Packages like virus checkers seem to be composed of 2 parts: the app program and the data where the data in this case are virus sigs and the app is say clamav. And the 'volitile' part is the virus sigs whereas the app (once it hits

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:47:27AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: Would the kernel and X be candidates for volatile? I dont see any reason why not, if they can be marked as NotAutomatic. Due to versioned dependencies, that could be impractical for X, which has a long list

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: Packages like virus checkers seem to be composed of 2 parts: the app program and the data where the data in this case are virus sigs and the app is say

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jesus Climent ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041009 11:10]: I meant for the kernel, which in some cases it could be tagged non automatic for updates, so that only the package is installed if the users wishes so. Making 2.6 kernels available for woody could have been an scenario where this approach

Re: Re: Terminal - a good terminal?

2004-10-09 Thread Jeff Teunissen
[ I'm not subbed to -devel, this was pulled from the archive -- please Cc me on replies ] Thomas Dickey wrote: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Primitive? heh. And as for the rest, I haven't had trouble -- it's just an infocmp away. In any case, switching the emulation is trivial

pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Bluefuture
Actually Ubuntu Linux uses pmount: pmount is a wrapper around the standard mount program which permits normal users to mount removable devices without a matching /etc/fstab entry. Together with hal and gnome-volume-manager (or similar programs) this will provide fully automatic device handling

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 01:57:58PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Do we have a debian solution about this issue? Or we want to use updtfstab? What is updtfstab? HAL upstream has fstab-sync as fstab wrapper, which will probably be used in RedHat's upcoming Fedora Core distribution, seeing how the

Strange behaviour at kernel upgrade

2004-10-09 Thread Jérôme Warnier
I got this strange behaviour on Sid today while upgrading kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686. Notice on the log that I answered n to Do you want to stop now? [Y/n], and it aborted just like if I answered y. The only thing noticeable is that I took a long time (a few minutes) to answer. I suspect there

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:46:05PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Il giorno sab, 09-10-2004 alle 12:23 +0200, Michael Banck ha scritto: What is updtfstab? I use this on sarge/sid and works very fine: http://ccomb.free.fr/wiki/wakka.php?wiki=UsbMassStorageEnglish It seems this one just uses

Re: Jörg Schilling is damage; the community should route around him

2004-10-09 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El sb, 09-10-2004 a las 00:04 -0500, Branden Robinson escribi: [...] It's time to fork. Let us work with the rest of the community to standardize on a new set of tools based on the last free version of cdrtools, thank Mr. Schilling for his valuable contributions, and leave him be to

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:46:05PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Il giorno sab, 09-10-2004 alle 12:23 +0200, Michael Banck ha scritto: What is updtfstab? I use this on sarge/sid and works very fine:

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 01:23:42PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:46:05PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Il giorno sab, 09-10-2004 alle 12:23 +0200, Michael Banck ha scritto: What is

Re: Common set of debconf templates (was: Re: RFC: best practice creating database)

2004-10-09 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 06:59:50AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: All such templates should probably go into a common set of debconf templates, provided by a very small package, which all these packages should depend upon, instead of constantly reinvent the wheeland make up, translators,

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Henning Makholm in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some things are not so obvious: Should volatile include updates of packages such as debian-keyring? debian-policy and developers-reference? Those who need these packages will run Sid anyway. Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Sjoerd Simons
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:25:55PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 01:57:58PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Do we have a debian solution about this issue? Or we want to use updtfstab? What is updtfstab? HAL upstream has fstab-sync as fstab wrapper, which will probably

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Christoph Wiesen
Am Saturday, 9. October 2004 13:50 schrieb Sjoerd Simons: But as you rightfully said, this is Sarge+1 stuff. So none of this will be done separately (faster) by the debian desktop team first? Is there still work beeing done to get the desktop branch up and running?

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread alphac
Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:46:05PM +0200, Bluefuture wrote: Il giorno sab, 09-10-2004 alle 12:23 +0200, Michael Banck ha scritto: What is updtfstab? I use this on sarge/sid and

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:04:10PM +0200, alphac wrote: I think hal + dbus-1 + fstab-sync works very well on debian, but the real missing feature is the possibility for users to mount remote file systems like cifs and smbfs without having root privileges or having to suidroot smbmnt, this

Re: Smooth Debian Installer Experience

2004-10-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:48:27AM +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: Just one remark: When I was asked to enter a package server I would have liked to enter my local package repository (with all the base stuff in it), but either I couldn't or I didn't see it. But, never mind ... Scroll up to the

Re: Common set of debconf templates (was: Re: RFC: best practice creating database)

2004-10-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 01:45:50PM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 06:59:50AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: All such templates should probably go into a common set of debconf templates, provided by a very small package, which all these packages should depend upon,

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-09 Thread Loïc Minier
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thu, Oct 07, 2004: Ok, and a warning on all RPC programs not using a static port number? The only one I use right now is nfs-common, and I see following packages depending on portmap: rwalld am-utils nfs-common bootparamd nfs-user-server drac nis

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 08:19:24PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Friday, 08 Oct 2004, you wrote: That's all for now. Comments and suggestions are welcome. i would like to see some policy, what, when and under which circumstances gets included to volatile.d.n. Is for example a

Re: Strange behaviour at kernel upgrade

2004-10-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:48:23PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: I got this strange behaviour on Sid today while upgrading kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686. Notice on the log that I answered n to Do you want to stop now? [Y/n], and it aborted just like if I answered y. The only thing noticeable is

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1618 +0200]: That sounds like a candidate for a stable update to me, not volatile. You mean an r-release? The problem with those is that they have too much inertia to be able to provide fixes quickly. So then our users will have an

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: Packages like virus checkers seem to be composed of 2 parts: the app program and the data where the data in

Processed: Re: Bug#275635: How to increase the Threads Size in debian...

2004-10-09 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 275635 general Bug#275635: How to increase the Threads Size in debian... Warning: Unknown package 'how' Warning: Unknown package 'to' Warning: Unknown package 'increase' Warning: Unknown package 'threads' Warning: Unknown package 'size'

Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Julien Louis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: msmtp Version : 1.2.3 Upstream Author : Martin Lambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://msmtp.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt msmtp is

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1616 +0200]: msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used as an SMTP plugin for Mutt and probably other MUAs (mail user agents). It forwards mails to an SMTP server (for example at a free mail provider) which does the delivery. How does

Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1)

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 04:44:05PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, I can see the case, as I describe before, where achieving the function of a package places great pressure on the time to package, so much so that if an interim, first cut package can

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: Packages like virus checkers seem to be

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Loïc Minier
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sat, Oct 09, 2004: How does this differ from nullmailer? Why should we have Yet Another SMTP client in Debian? Because it doesn't provide the same set of functionalities? A quick look at nullmailer and msmtp homepages shows that msmtp supports SASL, and

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Christian Surchi
Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:04, martin f krafft ha scritto: also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1616 +0200]: msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used as an SMTP plugin for Mutt and probably other MUAs (mail user agents). It forwards mails to an SMTP server (for example at

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1730 +0200]: I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA: it transports mail to the next relay, right? nullmailer is a simple relay-only mail transport agent. what's the difference? oh well,

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 09 October 2004 18:48, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1730 +0200]: I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA: it transports mail to the next relay, right? nullmailer is a simple

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 04:45:57PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Duncan Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When spamassassin is upgraded, it's more than just the rules. Often the method of parsing the message is changed -- leading to better results, or support for different tests is

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 05:13:49PM +0100, paddy wrote: Elsewhere in the thread person makes the point that hardware drivers could come into the 'useless' category, and I know exactly what he means: I've been there. And seconds after I pressed the send button I got that horrible sinking

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just another thought... You think that people looking at the code to backport a given set of features has a better clue about stability than the long time experienced upstream programers? I expect the Debian maintainers of such a package to understand

RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy (was: Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1) )

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Thomas Bushnell BSG [u] wrote on 08/10/2004 18:18: Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My argument is just that even if you backport the important features of a new release into an old codebase, it's hard to make any valuable claims about the resulting product if the backport changes more than a

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy (was: Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1) )

2004-10-09 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
The draft looks good, Sven. Please also include target # 5 as follows. Draft for a volatile.debian.org packaging and update policy. Target: volatile.debian.org (or short: v.d.o) is intended to be a repository for packages which degrade over time with respect to their usefulness. These

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy (was: Re: Updating scanners and filters in Debian stable (3.1) )

2004-10-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doing a backport of some upstream change is usually a pretty difficult task (except for smaller security fixes). It's pretty easy to claim no new command line feature added, but it is pretty difficult to claim no new bugs added or all necessary security

Fwd: [Freeguide-tv-users] Download for debian?

2004-10-09 Thread Shaun Jackman
The unstable link at http://packages.debian.org/freeguide shows version 0.8, but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/freeguide shows version 0.7.2. Why is this? Cheers, Shaun -- Forwarded message -- From: Andy Balaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Strange. At

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Julien Louis
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 05:48:55PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I think that msmtp simply will take the place of sendmail binary called by mutt. oh, and calling it a plugin make is sounds so much better. are these guys marketing specialists or software hackers? Well plugin may not be

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1907 +0200]: Well plugin may not be the appropriate word to define the msmtp function in mutt. But is there any *good* reason to make so much noise for just one word ? No. But if you - are aware of the Debian archive bloat, - know of

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-09 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 04:18:36PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: Conclusion, I am going to file bug reports of wishlist priority for the above packages, linking to this thread and suggesting a notice / warning that RPC port are not fixed and could collide with services that are installed on a

Re: PearPC Section (contrib or main)

2004-10-09 Thread Ramón Rey Vicente
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leo Costela Antunes wrote: | PearPC does not need MacOS X or other non-free operating system to be | fully used, it can be used with Debian/PPC for example, so, does it need | to stay in contrib? And, whats about dosemu? dosemu not need a non-free

Re: installing TCP programs when RPC programs are running

2004-10-09 Thread Loïc Minier
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sat, Oct 09, 2004: I don't think it's really sensible to have each and every package provide this warning. If we want to trigger this on package install it'd be better to arrange for a single warning rather than having a new one pop up for each package. Good

First spam

2004-10-09 Thread Andre Majorel
First use of email address: 2004-10-06 18:56 (UTC) First spam received at email address: 2004-10-09 17:12 (UTC) If you've been wondering how long it takes for an email address to propagate from the Debian list archives to spammers, here's one data point: less than 71 hours. -- André

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Loïc Minier
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sat, Oct 09, 2004: you might understand my reaction. Of course! Maybe the OP should have provided a better description, for example with a listing of features, or with reasons why the software distinguish itself from alternatives? But there's no need to

Re: RFD: Draft for a volatile.d.o policy

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Thomas Bushnell BSG [u] wrote on 09/10/2004 19:12: Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doing a backport of some upstream change is usually a pretty difficult task (except for smaller security fixes). It's pretty easy to claim no new command line feature added, but it is pretty difficult to

Re: Smooth Debian Installer Experience

2004-10-09 Thread Adam Majer
Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:48:27AM +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: Just one remark: When I was asked to enter a package server I would have liked to enter my local package repository (with all the base stuff in it), but either I couldn't or I didn't see it. But, never mind

Bug#275725: ITP: knetworkled -- Network activity monitor for KDE systray

2004-10-09 Thread Jose Luis Tallon
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist This is a little app which displays network activity in an icon in KDE's system tray, which lets you know if something is taking a long time to transmit or the connection just hung. * Package name: knetworkled Version : 0.5.1 Upstream Author :

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: Packages like virus checkers seem to be

WARNUNG - GroupShield-Ticket Nr. OB3_1097349440_ROPF-SV-XCH_1 wu rde generiert

2004-10-09 Thread GroupShield for Exchange (ROPF-SV-XCH)
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Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 04:37:14PM +0100, paddy wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin

Re: Common set of debconf templates (was: Re: RFC: best practice creating database)

2004-10-09 Thread Agustin Martin
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 09:03:22AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: Indeed, this is a long time since I think about such common debconf templates package. The current way of handling common templates by the use of shared/* is not optimal ATM, as all packages using shared/* templates must

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:44:41AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Generally, new packages could be added to volatile, as long as there is a very good usage of them. However, if I see how painful security updates for the kernel currently are for the security team, I think we should better

Re: First spam

2004-10-09 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Andre Majorel wrote: First use of email address: 2004-10-06 18:56 (UTC) First spam received at email address: 2004-10-09 17:12 (UTC) If you've been wondering how long it takes for an email address to propagate from the Debian list archives to spammers, here's

Re: First spam

2004-10-09 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:25:11PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: First use of email address: 2004-10-06 18:56 (UTC) First spam received at email address: 2004-10-09 17:12 (UTC) If you've been wondering how long it takes for an email address to propagate from the Debian list

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:54:11PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 04:37:14PM +0100, paddy wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:48:15PM +0100, paddy wrote: maybe there is a place for this, but my understanding is the evolution of data formats is coupled to changes in the scaning engine and backward compatibility is maintained upstream for as long as the upstream maintainers deem reasonable.

Re: First spam

2004-10-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 09 Oct 2004, Jesus Climent wrote: Santiago has a bit of rationale... Some obfuscation in the list archives might Won't work. Spammer-database-feeders nowadays either subscribe to the mailinglists (not common), or get the data for a pletora of spyware in Winblows computers (really,

Re: Bug#275140: Redirections and noclobber

2004-10-09 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:33:23PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: Nils wrote in his bug report: , | The postinst script: | /var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-base.postinst | fails if you set bash's noclobber (say in your .bashrc via set -o noclobber). | (yes, I set noclobber in root's .bashrc --

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:44:13PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400,

Re: Smooth Debian Installer Experience

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:33:47PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:48:27AM +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: Just one remark: When I was asked to enter a package server I would have liked to enter my local package repository (with all the base stuff in

Re: Bug#275140: Redirections and noclobber

2004-10-09 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:05:40PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: | /var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-base.postinst You should do this carefully: if [ -n $PS1 ]; then # set whatever interactive things you want fi Why is the shell invoked by dpkg executing the .bashrc in the first place? First of

Re: First spam

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:11:02PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 09 Oct 2004, Jesus Climent wrote: Santiago has a bit of rationale... Some obfuscation in the list archives might Won't work. Spammer-database-feeders nowadays either subscribe to the mailinglists (not

TG3 firmware report...

2004-10-09 Thread Daniel Freedman
Hi, I'm writing regarding the issue of inclusion of TG3 binary firmware in the Debian-distributed Linux post-2.6.5 kernels. I understand this has been a contentious topic, and I've read most of the mailing list archives on it, so I'm not trying to restart the debate, but merely adding some

Re: Bug#275685: ITP: msmtp -- smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt

2004-10-09 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] msmtp is not an MTA: I think that msmtp simply will take the place of sendmail binary called by mutt. If it provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, then by definition it is a mail-transport-agent and should, if packaged, declare itself as such. If it

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 09:52: * Duncan Findlay | Umm... I'd like to see that 7122 root 15 0 660m 332m 4692 D 0.0 43.8 8:18.64 spamd 7123 nobody15 0 287m 257m 4692 D 0.0 34.0 0:17.01 spamd | Furthermore, you should use the -m option to limit the number of

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread paddy
Here I go, replying to myself again ... On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:48:15PM +0100, paddy wrote: clamav is a really good example of a very self-contained, at least in some setups. two pipes, no privs (someone corrrect me if I'm wrong). In the case of clamav, what i believe is at issue is not

Re: First spam

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/10/2004 07:38 AM, paddy wrote: I'm actually surprised it takes them that long. debian-devel must be way down the target list. probably geeks don't buy viagra, home loans, online medicine, etc :) lg, clemens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: pmount vs updfstab

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/09/2004 10:04 PM, alphac wrote: I think hal + dbus-1 + fstab-sync works very well on debian, but the real missing feature is the possibility for users to mount remote file systems like cifs and smbfs without having root privileges or having

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/07/2004 01:43 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * martin f krafft | What do you think? API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child.

Re: Suspicious reply from katie

2004-10-09 Thread James Troup
Marcin Owsiany [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just uploaded another version, which resulted in receiving the attached message. Note the NEW status, and the warning. Is this a katie bug? Or did I do something wrong? It's a James-is-a-moron problem. I broke (read: deleted) experimental's

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/08/2004 07:25 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Duncan Findlay | A lot of that is shared, but not reported as such by top/ps due to | changes in how the kernel reports shared memory. The kernel only | reports memory that is used in shared

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 10:00: * Sven Mueller | Well, perl modules don't have an SO name. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib apt-cache show libvideo-capture-v4l-perl| grep ^Depends Depends: perlapi-5.8.3, perl (= 5.8.3-2), libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4) Seems like perl provides an API that

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Sven Mueller [u] wrote on 10/10/2004 04:46: Go learn perl, than come back. Sheesh, I shouldn't write mail after prolonged discussions with my boss... I apologize for the rudeness of that comment. Even though it was meant somewhat jokingly, I realize it probably was too harsh. Sorry. cu, sven

Accepted libtree-simple-perl 1.12-1 (all source)

2004-10-09 Thread Stephen Quinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:12:38 +0100 Source: libtree-simple-perl Binary: libtree-simple-perl Architecture: source all Version: 1.12-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stephen Quinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Stephen

Accepted request-tracker3.2 3.2.2-1 (all source)

2004-10-09 Thread Stephen Quinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:22:12 +0100 Source: request-tracker3.2 Binary: rt3.2-clients request-tracker3.2 Architecture: source all Version: 3.2.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stephen Quinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted statdataml 1.0.8-1 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:39:10 +0200 Source: statdataml Binary: octave-statdataml r-cran-statdataml Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0.8-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Rafael Laboissiere [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted r-cran-xml 0.95.6-1 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:13:24 +0200 Source: r-cran-xml Binary: r-cran-xml Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.95.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Rafael Laboissiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Rafael Laboissiere

Accepted ifhp 3.5.10-3 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:13:24 +0200 Source: ifhp Binary: ifhp Architecture: source i386 Version: 3.5.10-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted mozilla-mozgest 0.3.99+20040902-2 (all source)

2004-10-09 Thread Alan Woodland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:43:39 +0100 Source: mozilla-mozgest Binary: mozilla-mozgest Architecture: source all Version: 0.3.99+20040902-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Alan Woodland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Alan

Accepted gnuvd 0.9.8+1.0beta5-1 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Guus Sliepen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:58:48 +0200 Source: gnuvd Binary: libgnuvd-dev libgnuvd0 gnuvd-gnome gnuvd Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.8+1.0beta5-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Guus Sliepen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted python-4suite 0.99cvs20041008-1 (powerpc all source)

2004-10-09 Thread Raphael Bossek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:09:26 +0200 Source: python-4suite Binary: python-4suite-server python-4suite-doc python-4suite-common python2.3-4suite python2.2-4suite python-4suite Architecture: source powerpc all Version: 0.99cvs20041008-1

Accepted rquantlib 0.1.10-2 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:33:57 -0500 Source: rquantlib Binary: r-cran-rquantlib Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.1.10-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel

Accepted totem 0.99.17-1 (i386 source all)

2004-10-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:13:20 +0200 Source: totem Binary: totem-gstreamer totem-xine totem Architecture: source all i386 Version: 0.99.17-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted udev 0.034-1 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:50:22 +0200 Source: udev Binary: udev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.034-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted lineak-kdeplugins 1:0.8-2 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Aurelien Jarno
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:52:43 +0200 Source: lineak-kdeplugins Binary: lineak-kdeplugins Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:0.8-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: critical Maintainer: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Aurelien

Accepted lineak-defaultplugin 1:0.8-2 (i386 source)

2004-10-09 Thread Aurelien Jarno
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:53:56 +0200 Source: lineak-defaultplugin Binary: lineak-defaultplugin Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:0.8-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: critical Maintainer: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted aolserver 3.5.6-7 (i386 source all)

2004-10-09 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:36:34 +0200 Source: aolserver Binary: aolserver-doc aolserver-dev aolserver Architecture: source all i386 Version: 3.5.6-7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Francesco Paolo Lovergine [EMAIL

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