> - there must be a sufficient user base to justify inclusion on all
> mirrors, defined as 10% of downloads over a sampled set of mirrors
Only i386 currently meets this condition, with c. 97% of
downloads out of the four interesting archs, for details see
the tables below. I suspect 97% is bias
[please don't cc: me on this thread, one copy is plenty, thanks; and
please don't cc: debian-release unless there's a specific reason it's
on-topic there, which explaining wanna-build is not. ;)]
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:30:45PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op vr, 11-03-2005 te 17:03 -0800, s
Hi Andreas,
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:37:51AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
> IMHO all these facts with exception of those "social" facts I marked (?)
> are fullfilled by Sparc.
For reference, the killer for most archs is the "98% built" criterion;
fro
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 10:47:15PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > The sh and hurd-i386 ports don't currently meet the SCC requirements, as
> > > neither has a running autobuilder or is keeping u
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 10:47:15PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The sh and hurd-i386 ports don't currently meet the SCC requirements, as
> > neither has a running autobuilder or is keeping up with new packages.
> It is impossible for any port
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 20:45 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> The much larger consequence of this meeting, however, has been the
> crafting of a prospective release plan for etch.
Thank you to those individuals who worked on this plan; I think its a
good step in reducing our release turnaround time
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> None of the documentation calls it a 'queue', in fact; only people not
> really involved in buildd stuff do.
Does that include you? In two recent messages, you referred to it as
a queue.
> > I can see excellent reasons why age in the list shouldn't
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I agree with the w-b maintainers. The queue order is only interesting in
> the case where there is a backlog; in other cases, packages are usually
> built rather fast. In the case where there is a backlog, those trying to
> fix the architecture (usuall
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It means that when one is told "just wait, your package will get
> > rebuilt"; it is not necessarily true at all. There is no upper bound
> > at all on time to wait for building, and that's a disaster.
>
> This paragraph assumes nobody ever looks t
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Michael Prokop wrote:
I do know many people who are used to ha-prosper and haven't
switched to LaTeX-Beamer yet.
As I said - there is a compatibility mode - but I did not tested it yet.
ha-prosper needs less space than latex-beamer (not taking care of
dependencies but ratio sho
Op za, 12-03-2005 te 21:12 -0800, schreef Thomas Bushnell BSG:
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If the queue is non-zero for a longer time, there is a problem in buildd
> > machine power, and the wanna-build admin has choosen to in this case
> > allocate the buildd power t
Op vr, 11-03-2005 te 19:14 -0800, schreef Steve Langasek:
> The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (are)
> sorted by:
>
> - target suite
- previous compilation state (already built packages are prioritized
above packages never built for the target architecture)
> -
Op zo, 13-03-2005 te 21:19 +0200, schreef Mikko Ma Aaltonen:
> Hi Debian developers. (My first time post here.)
>
> I'm here to ask, if anyone of you know,
> has someone done some development work to get a Nokia (or some other
> brand) mobile to work with some other operating system than Symbian?
Op vr, 11-03-2005 te 17:03 -0800, schreef Thomas Bushnell BSG:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Re-uploading a package to provoke a buildd response is counterproductive,
> > *particularly* when the package is already in Needs-Build on the missing
> > architectures. Re-uploading
Op za, 12-03-2005 te 15:19 +1100, schreef Matthew Palmer:
> I'm trying to work out why package *section* matters at all.
This is simply an attempt to avoid as much
needs-build->building->dep-wait cycles as possible; packages that are
usually build-dependencies are built before packages that are us
Op za, 12-03-2005 te 15:01 -0800, schreef Thomas Bushnell BSG:
> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Remember that the buildd queue is not FIFO at all. The queue has a
> > completly static order. Any changes to the queue are just packages
> > hiding because they are not "needs-b
Op za, 12-03-2005 te 16:24 -0800, schreef Thomas Bushnell BSG:
> Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Practically, buildd admins can notice a longer-than-usual queue and throw
> > hardware at the problem, and that seems to work well enough, and we could
> > reduce the rate of package i
Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The fact is that I am unable to send emails with my debian.org address.
> Does someone has some idea of how can I fix that?
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Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The sh and hurd-i386 ports don't currently meet the SCC requirements, as
> neither has a running autobuilder or is keeping up with new packages.
It is impossible for any port under development to meet the SCC
requirements. We need a place for such por
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Andrew Pollock wrote:
Sorry, I do not know anything about partition labels but if this is
the solution it should be done in the installer and if this works in
Grub menu.lst this should be done here as well.
I gave some of the relevant people in the d-i team an education on the
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:49:34AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> Given how low hamradio (and the like) are prioritised, I suggest that we
> get smarter about 'tesing' and omit some sections on some architectures.
> Frankly there are not likely to be any users for hamradio on s390, mips*
> arm, or
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
- it must first be part of (or at the very least, meet the criteria for)
scc.debian.org (see below)
- the release architecture must be publicly available to buy new
- the release architecture must have N+1 buildds where N is the number
required to keep u
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> When I include the configure script in my source packages, I can feel
>> pretty confident that they package I upload will stay buildable even
>> if a week from now autoconf or automake gets updated to something not
>> backwards compatible.
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:04:17 +0900, Junichi Uekawa
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The current practice and trend is going the other way,
>but I strongly recommend for using autoconf/automake in build scripts.
Does cdbs do it right?
Greetings
Marc
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> When I include the configure script in my source packages, I can feel
> >> pretty confident that they package I upload will stay buildable even
> >> if a week from now autoconf or automake gets
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 08:57:14PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Some maintainers have already opted to move their GFDL documentation
> > to non-free for sarge, but the vast remainder will need to be dealt
> > with soon after sarge's release to
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Some maintainers have already opted to move their GFDL documentation
> to non-free for sarge, but the vast remainder will need to be dealt
> with soon after sarge's release to keep us on track for etch.
I assume you mean that the documentation will nee
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Given how low hamradio (and the like) are prioritised, I suggest that we
> get smarter about 'tesing' and omit some sections on some architectures.
I don't think those sections are causing the problem. There are also
not so many uploads for them. The
* Joerg Wendland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-08 12:09]:
> I have neither time for nor interest in maintaining the following
> packages any more.
>
> fam - the file alteration monitor
> pam-pgsql - PAM module for authentication against PostgreSQL
> ulogd - netfilter userspace logging daemon
T
* Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-12 14:30]:
> I'm orphaning three packages:
> hawhaw-doc - the documentation for HAWHAW and HAWXY
> hawxy - a script that makes PHP-enabled webservers to HAWHAW proxies
> libphp-hawhaw - a PHP toolkit to create universal mobile applications
...
> If no on
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:34:19PM +0100, Florian Möllers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can you just give us (at the fai mailing list) a brief description of
> what you are discussing?!
>
> Let me guess, and I migth be totally wrong, but you are discussing ways
> to install 60 PCs with Debian and you have 4
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:01:59AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> It is a highly ordered list, more or less libs+base first, than devel, shells,
> perl, python. After that graphics, admin, utils. Just to look at the
> other side of the sorting order, at the end of the list is hamradio,
> non-US and
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:16:56PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Our goal is that the queue gets empty from time to time, and so,
> priority shouldn't prevent a package from being built.
How often should the queue be emptied, or when will an architecture be
declarared not-keeping-up?
According to
Hi,
> However, if I left it to the source package to run autoconf by itself
> weach time it is build, it could slide into unbuildability _without me
> or anybody else noticing_ before it is too late and we have
> not-buildable-anymore code sitting around in the archive, and most
> likely even in
* Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050313 23:50]:
> I think I slightly misunderstood the "ordering by section" bit -- I was
> assuming an alphabetical ordering by section. So once base and libs have
> had their priority building, what's the ordering after that? Alphabetical
> by section, or do
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > We are a bit concerned with old LilyPond packages, and a potential
> > new maintainer (Pedro Kroger) with his sponsor going mia.
>
> Who was going to sponsor him?
I use lilypond all the time, so I'm happy to adopt it if necessary.
I'm a bad mentor
* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050313 23:15]:
> * Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 02:05]:
> > If, perhaps, there was a clear indication of the buildd ordering
> > policy, then it could be properly used. Until then, I go on the basis
> > of guesswork.
> The ordering applied
Hi, Ben and folks.
On Sunday 13 March 2005 23:22, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > This Moodle module makes it easy to create multi-page
> > resources with a book-like format.
>
> When you create the actual packages it might be nice to explain what
> moodle is, for those of us who have no idea. e.g.:
>
>
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Because we want packages in base to be preferred, as well as packages in
> libs.
I think that is a given, but it's not uploads to base and libs that
are hosing the recompilation of gnucash at present.
I think it's worth looking at the perverse incentiv
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:44:33AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:17:52PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Because we want packages in base to be preferred, as well as packages in
> > libs.
>
> I think I slightly misunderstood the "ordering by section" bit -- I was
> assu
Le dimanche 13 mars 2005 Ã 23:10 +0100, Michael Prokop a Ãcrit :
> And TeXciting might never be released, quoting Hendri - the author
> of ha-prosper:
>
> | I have reconsidered whether it will be possible
> | to finish this project. Taking into account also
> | the work that I'm doing on other pa
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:17:52PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 05:25]:
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:14:35PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (are)
> > > sorted by:
> > >
> > > - ta
* Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Don't take this as a promise to take it over, but I'll see
> > what I can do.
>
> I already made an attempt:
> http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb/debian/
Please don't build it as a native Debian package, so there's a
separ
* Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050313 01:05]:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 03:12:12PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Er, packages *do* eventually get built; they just don't get built in any
> > kind of FIFO order.
> Er, no. Unless there's some sort of aging process (not yet described in the
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:25:33PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > More machines can catch up faster than few can do.
> > When one machine out of a dozen machines is unavailable, it has less impact
> > than one machine failure out of two machines, although the chances will
> > raise that a machin
* Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20050313 18:15]:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Michael Prokop wrote:
> > I think replacing the prosper-package with ha-prosper wouldn't be
> > a good choice. I'd like to provide ha-prosper in a separate
> > package
> >
* Ingo Juergensmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 14:15]:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 02:06:24PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> > As it has been said earlier, the machines are back, but just need to
> > catch up. So just waiting might be the easiest thing to do.
> More machines can catch up fast
Hi,
> This Moodle module makes it easy to create multi-page
> resources with a book-like format.
When you create the actual packages it might be nice to explain what
moodle is, for those of us who have no idea. e.g.:
This Moodle module makes it easy to create multi-page
resources with a
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:20:00PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Miros/law Baran wrote:
>
> >>it worked. I really regard this problem as serious because it
> >>probably leaves people with SATA hardware with an unbootable system
> >>after kernel-image updates, because the kern
* Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 05:25]:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:14:35PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (are)
> > sorted by:
> >
> > - target suite
> > - package priority
> > - package section
> > - p
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 04:25]:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (are)
> > sorted by:
> >
> > - target suite
> > - package priority
> > - package section
> > - package name
> >
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 02:05]:
> Since the all but one of the other arch buildd's have empty
> needs-build queues, it is harmless to force them to execute a
> recompile and costs no scarce resources. I did check this before
> uploading.
Even in the case the buildds oth
* Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > I'm afraid I have to decline. More packages would be, for me, a bit
> > > too much and I have no strong motivation for xscreensaver.
> >
> > Just asking, since somebody would have to do it.
>
> Don't take this as a promise to take it over, but I'll s
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Juan Manuel Garcia Molina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: moodle-book
Version : 1.4.4
Upstream Author : Petr Skoda
* URL : http://moodle.org/download/modules/
* License : GPL
Description : moodle module for mult
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:52:25PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>>Would you also take over xscreensaver and maybe let me co-maintain it?
>>
>>I'm afraid I have to decline. More packages would be, for me, a bit
>>too much and I have no strong motivation
Hi!
Due to lack of time and since I stopped using it quite a while ago I
intendo to orphan oftc-hybrid. The package is outdated, current upstream
version is oftc-hybrid-1.4.0pre4.
Since nor weasel nor I use bubblefishymon we intend to orphan this one
as well. There is no more upstream work in pro
Le dimanche 13 mars 2005 Ã 21:52 +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt a Ãcrit :
> * Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > > Would you also take over xscreensaver and maybe let me co-maintain it?
> >
> > I'm afraid I have to decline. More packages would be, for me, a bit
> > too much and I have no stron
* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Would you also take over xscreensaver and maybe let me co-maintain it?
>
> I'm afraid I have to decline. More packages would be, for me, a bit
> too much and I have no strong motivation for xscreensaver.
Just asking, since somebody would have to do it
> > I have announced in many places my intent to take over the package
> > development, which I'm in fact doing since mid 2004 (with NMUs).
>
> Would you also take over xscreensaver and maybe let me co-maintain it?
I'm afraid I have to decline. More packages would be, for me, a bit
too much and
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Juan Manuel Garcia Molina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: moodle-dialogue
Version : 1.4.4
Upstream Author : Ray Kingdon
* URL : http://moodle.org/download/modules/
* License : GPL
Description : moodle module to
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:19:09PM +0200, Mikko Ma Aaltonen wrote:
> Hi Debian developers. (My first time post here.)
>
> I'm here to ask, if anyone of you know,
> has someone done some development work to get a Nokia (or some other
> brand) mobile to work with some other operating system than Sym
Hi Debian developers. (My first time post here.)
I'm here to ask, if anyone of you know,
has someone done some development work to get a Nokia (or some other
brand) mobile to work with some other operating system than Symbian?
I'd be interested if anyone is attempting to create "mobile Linux".
An
Package: wnpp
Followup-For: Bug #295760
Owner: Juan Manuel Garcia Molina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi.
After working a bit on creating the package, I discovered it depends on
libming. Unfortunately, libming is not in Debian sid.
I have been trying to hack the code in order to let the package compile
w
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 12:05 -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Paul Hampson wrote:
>
> > * timestamp skew means that the autobuilt makefiles will try
> > to rebuild configure from configure.in even if configure is patched by
> > dpkg-source at the same time as configure.in
> >
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 05:19:25PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> And last I feel the sorting by name is actualy harmfull. That should
> be exchanged with the time of upload, i.e. FIFO if the rest matches.
> We all know FIFO isn't the best but it is simple, fair, predictable
> and does not
Scripsit Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Or are you saying that all build dependencies should be removed,
> since they all can cause you problems.
I am saying that this particular build dependency can be removed
without causing problems that have anywhere near the severity of the
problems that
Hi Kurt,
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 03:40:23PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > That's the point, actually: If I build-depend on autoconf, I *cannot*
> > know that it will actually build after the next update to autoconf,
> > because most likely nobody will try it.
>
> If it's known that a new major v
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Palmer said:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:58:49AM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 04:18:06PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> > > I'm with a problem about sending emails @debian.org. My ESP (email
> > > service provider) has a rest
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Michael Prokop wrote:
I think replacing the prosper-package with ha-prosper wouldn't be
a good choice. I'd like to provide ha-prosper in a separate package
so when TeXciting is available there aren't any breakages with
prosper.
Recently I investigated some time in LaTeX based p
[remove -release, nothing they can do about it]
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 03:01:28PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> > Remember that the buildd queue is not FIFO at all. The queue has a
>> > comp
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 02:02:29PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Kurt Roeckx
>
> > And how can you know you can actually build it if you
> > never tried it?
>
> That's the point, actually: If I build-depend on autoconf, I *cannot*
> know that it will actually build after the next updat
Scripsit Kurt Roeckx
> And how can you know you can actually build it if you
> never tried it?
That's the point, actually: If I build-depend on autoconf, I *cannot*
know that it will actually build after the next update to autoconf,
because most likely nobody will try it.
When I provide a config
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 12:04:59PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Daniel Schepler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > - Putting autoconf-generated files in the source package is nearly as
> > fragile as generating them at build time. If there are changes in
> > autoconf which break the configure.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Daniel Schepler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > - Putting autoconf-generated files in the source package is nearly as
> > fragile as generating them at build time. If there are changes in
> > autoconf which break the configure.ac etc, then the next ti
Scripsit Daniel Schepler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Putting autoconf-generated files in the source package is nearly as
> fragile as generating them at build time. If there are changes in
> autoconf which break the configure.ac etc, then the next time you want
> to make other changes or bring your c
æ æï2005-03-13 æ 09:06 +0100ïJan Nieuwenhuizen æåï
> Martin Michlmayr writes:
>
> > No, it's a private alias.
>
> Ok. I hope Anthony is well.
>
Anthony is overloaded with lots of work from company and local
community, so very likely he won't be able to update debian lilypond
package... well, t
* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Since July 2004, I've got no news from Karl and any further attempt to
> get in touch with him has been unsuccessful. Even before this, it
> became quite obvious that the package is not very actively maintained.
Same goes for his xscreensaver package, wh
Hello folks,
The shadow package is officially maintained by Karl Ramm, with
assistance by Sam Hartman. It is the source package for "login" and
"passwd", two important pieces of Debian base system.
I have helped Karl in collecting the package translations (both
debconf and programs translations)
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:58:49AM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 04:18:06PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> > I'm with a problem about sending emails @debian.org. My ESP (email
> > service provider) has a restrictive rule about sending emails with a
> > >From header
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 04:18:06PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> I'm with a problem about sending emails @debian.org. My ESP (email
> service provider) has a restrictive rule about sending emails with a
> >From header different of the account you actually have.
>
> This wouldn't be a problem, as I
Martin Michlmayr writes:
> No, it's a private alias.
Ok. I hope Anthony is well.
>> We are a bit concerned with old LilyPond packages, and a potential
>> new maintainer (Pedro Kroger) with his sponsor going mia.
>
> Who was going to sponsor him?
I don't think Pedro told me that. Pedro?
Jan.
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> I am forwarding this to linux-fai at uni-koeln dot de. I believe
> many people interested in this discussion hang out there.
>
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 12:35:45PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 1
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