Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 23:44, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:22:04PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: > > >> Andreas Barth wrote: > > >> >If that happens for a too

Re: RFA: dpatch -- patch maintenance system for Debian source packages

2005-03-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:51:45 +0100, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >* Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-17 21:45]: >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:02:16 +0100, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >* Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-16 15:43]: >> >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:40:33 +0

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:59:43PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > > AFAI can tell, anybody can host an archive of packages built from stable > > sources for a scc or unofficial port. And - if I read the conditions on > > becoming a fully supported Debian arch right - then having security supp

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Why? (technical reasons, please). Not that I am assuming there is enough >> evidence to downgrade anything but OpenLDAP just yet, but your reply seems >> to imply that even if there were, you would still not downgrade. > If there were anything besides FU

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If there were anything besides FUD, I'd consider it on its own merits, > but all I've seen thus far is an anecdote that OpenLDAP has trouble with > some version of db4.3 on some platform because of some undescribed flaw > related to the log format change.

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Clint Adams
> Only now I would trust BDB 4.2 with any mission critical data... but then, I > am the one which still builds Cyrus 2.1 against BDB 3.2 for stability (Cyrus > 2.2 will be built against BDB 4.2). IIRC, BDB 3.3 addresses very serious problems in 3.2, but we can't have 3.3 in Debian without a painfu

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Clint Adams wrote: > some version of db4.3 on some platform because of some undescribed flaw > related to the log format change. There does not appear to be a report > in the Debian BTS about this problem. Hmm... my experience with BDB 4.x tells me we should be quite a bit pa

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Of course, I don't mean downgrading the libdb4.3 packages :-) Those > would just get a grave bug until the issue is fixed (assuming there > is one, which is not clear at this point). Before even bothering to continue this thread, whoever cl

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Thiemo, On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:39:27PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > This change has superseded the previous SCC (second-class citizen > > architecture) plan that had already been proposed to reduce the amount of > > data Debian mirrors are required to carry; prior to the release of sarg

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Clint Adams
> Why? (technical reasons, please). Not that I am assuming there is enough > evidence to downgrade anything but OpenLDAP just yet, but your reply seems > to imply that even if there were, you would still not downgrade. If there were anything besides FUD, I'd consider it on its own merits, but all

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Clint Adams wrote: > > Should we notify the maintainers to better go back to 4.2 for sarge? > > Don't bother notifying me; I won't be switching anything back to 4.2. Why? (technical reasons, please). Not that I am assuming there is enough evidence to downgrade anything but Op

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I would really like to see some real use cases for architectures that want this; I'd like to spend my time on things that're actually useful, not random whims people have on lists -- and at the moment, I'm not in a good position to tell the difference for most of the non

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Clint Adams
> Should we notify the maintainers to better go back to 4.2 for sarge? Don't bother notifying me; I won't be switching anything back to 4.2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread David Whitmarsh
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 12:08:11PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/06/msg00029.html is an > example (just one randomly grabbed from the archives). See > http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/ for more information, > especially http://ftp-master.deb

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: [snip] > Why would a port release after the main release ? Probably to fix up a few remaining arch-specific bugs. > Why, if debian doesn't > care about the non-release archs, would the porters even bother to > follow the release arch sources and not just release whe

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Paul Hampson
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 01:05:02PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 09:04:14AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > (This might be a topic without a possible conclusion!) > > > Funny, but although I'd say "an HTML file" or "a

Migration back from libdb4.3 -> libdb4.2, libdb4.3 broken

2005-03-17 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:38:31PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > I think so. Jumping into a new BDB version like it was done for 4.3 is > *always* foolhardy at best, IMHO. > > But it would be a very good idea to track down some other opinions about BDB > 4.3 first, as people will no

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Quanah, > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 05:59:03PM -0800, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> The patches for BDB 4.2.52 are freely available from Sleepycat. They are >> required to be in place if you want a stable BDB 4.2.52 distribution. I >> would be v

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > Should we notify the maintainers to better go back to 4.2 for sarge? I think so. Jumping into a new BDB version like it was done for 4.3 is *always* foolhardy at best, IMHO. But it would be a very good idea to track down some other opinions about

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:10:23AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > In short, I cannot find a single reason to run OpenLDAP against BDB 4.3, > > and even the current OpenLDAP release notes that BDB 4.2 is required. I > > can find many reasons to not use BDB 4.3. > > Not good. That

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Quanah, On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 05:59:03PM -0800, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > The patches for BDB 4.2.52 are freely available from Sleepycat. They are > required to be in place if you want a stable BDB 4.2.52 distribution. I > would be very surprised if the package maintainer hadn't already

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:48:04PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:31, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > Don't even bother bringing up "redundant fiber". It may be, if it hasn't > > been regroomed, and twenty plus years of network administrators have > > learned the hard way that th

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10231 March 1977, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > The ftpmaster's view seems to be (I imagine not without some > justification) that, unless the package is rejected, the average DD will > never bother to fix it. :-/ For small stuff there is a "Prod" Option in lisa, where one can send a mail to the m

Re: automake/autoconf in build-dependencies

2005-03-17 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > To a certain degree, those would have been fixed if people > > build-depended on auto*, as they would have picked up fixed versions > > of the .m4 files. > > But that has to be offset against the huge number of bugs that would > occur if we ran auto* at run time and had everything break e

Re: automake/autoconf in build-dependencies

2005-03-17 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > >The current practice and trend is going the other way, > >but I strongly recommend for using autoconf/automake in build scripts. > Does cdbs do it right? I've looked at the source of cdbs, and I figure that users of cdbs can configure and set variables: DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_LIBTOOL DEB_AUTO

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 19:30]: > Andreas Barth wrote: > >If we don't wait for an arch, it gets out-of-sync quite soon, and due to > >e.g. legal requirements, we can't release that arch. (In other words, if > >an arch is too long ignored for testing, we should remove it, as we > >c

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:22:04PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: > >> Andreas Barth wrote: > >> >If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an > >> >architecture to be too slo

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matthew Palmer wrote: > I wonder if we could change Debian's attitude to NEW rejection like has > happened with NMUs -- that having your package rejected isn't the end of the > world, it's just something that happens. So ftpmasters could reject with > less fear of being taken to the cleaners

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Mar-05, 01:01 (CST), Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * The ability for an interface to receive, by default, only traffic that > is destined for that interface. (Non-promiscuous mode; promiscuous mode > availability is a big plus, but not required from the OS point of view) Linu

Re: idea for lintian/linda check (Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:14:05PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 23:06, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:15:50PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > To know in how many packages to split or not to split the packages ? > > > > That would be one of the things

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:44:26PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 22:09, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 10231 March 1977, David Schmitt wrote: > > >> > Collecting tidbits of > > >> > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > > >> > that informatio

idea for lintian/linda check (Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 23:06, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:15:50PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > To know in how many packages to split or not to split the packages ? > > That would be one of the things that maintainers have gotten wrong in the > past, yes. Would it be poss

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:15:50PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:57:11PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 10231 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > >> - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > >> aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 1

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:31, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > Don't even bother bringing up "redundant fiber". It may be, if it hasn't > been regroomed, and twenty plus years of network administrators have > learned the hard way that the gun is ALWAYS loaded. The best you can hope > for is a misfire. Debi

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 22:09, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10231 March 1977, David Schmitt wrote: > >> > Collecting tidbits of > >> > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > >> > that information public. > >> > >> A list of packages-in-NEW is available on the Web, in

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 20:22, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [very sensible suggestions removed] > Any problems with that? Not with the procedure in itself. I just want to chip in, that it is (not only) my opinion, that a REGULAR Debian release cannot allow delaying security updates and there

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:44:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:43:52PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Sven Luther: > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > > - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > > > ar

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:57:11PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10231 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > > >> - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > >> aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 10 kbytes of > >> documentation...) (what's the current opinion on tha

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10231 March 1977, David Schmitt wrote: >> > Collecting tidbits of >> > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making >> > that information public. >> A list of packages-in-NEW is available on the Web, including binary >> package names, bugs closed, et al. >> Nothing more

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 09:04:14AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > (This might be a topic without a possible conclusion!) > > Funny, but although I'd say "an HTML file" or "an HTTPS url" or > > similar, I'd say "a history achievement". > Ah, i

Re: arch-specific packages and the new SCC requirements

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:12, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > What would really win, of course, is "Architecture: !hurd-i386". But > negative declarations are currently not yet supported. They should > be. Research the problem (especially on http://lists.debian.org/debian-{dpkg,release}/, but

Re: Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 00:21, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:51:16PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > "libraries transitioned" is a big point against testing: > > Transitions of API-compatible libraries are a pain _only_ due to > testing. In unstable, such a transition can easily b

Re: RFA: dpatch -- patch maintenance system for Debian source packages

2005-03-17 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Marc, * Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-17 21:45]: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:02:16 +0100, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >* Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-16 15:43]: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:40:33 +0900, Junichi Uekawa > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >Since I

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 17, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, we are not expecting the DSA people to keep the system > secure; SCC non-released arches don't need to provide developer > machines. I do not believe that this is limited to debian hosts. If an OS lacks the basic security feature

Re: post-sarge transitions: slang

2005-03-17 Thread Alastair McKinstry
On CÃad, 2005-03-16 at 02:33 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Alastair, > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:30:58PM +, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > > >* Steve Langasek > > > > > >| If you are planning any other transitions that will affect a lot of > > >| packages, please let us know in advance.

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 01:19, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, David Schmitt wrote: > > Collecting tidbits of > > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > > that information public. > > A list of packages-in-NEW is available on the Web, including binary > package name

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 20:12 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hello > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:36:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2005-02

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: [snip] > > Okay, so we've got a new suite; is that global for all scc arches, or > > separate, a la "subtesting-s390", say? The question there is "Will s390 > > have a different version of the package to m68k, if one or the other is > > being more aggressively maintained

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 02:59, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > > That's for sure but I want to be able to do automatic upgrades for the > > simple cases. And at least help the admin by dumping the directory > > before starting the upgrade and taking care of the old database files in > > case he deci

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: >> Andreas Barth wrote: >> >If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an >> >architecture to be too slow to keep up, and will eventually discuss >> >about kicking it out of the architec

Packaging Freevo (PVR software)

2005-03-17 Thread Shaun Jackman
I packaged Freevo for Debian and uploaded it some time ago. It has now seen some attention from the FTP masters, but I've since started using MythTV instead of Freevo. If anyone's interested in taking over the package and uploading it, drop me a message. Cheers, Shaun -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:31:39PM +0100, Remi Vanicat wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Now the idea was to find some way to help them along, and this may be the > > solution to it. Notice that they still have veto right so nothing can get > > past > > them if thet don't wan

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:36:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hello > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > >

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Torsten Landschoff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > May I suggest reporting your HOWTO mail as a bug in the developers > reference? That way it is at least recorded somewhere. I'd do it but I > don't want without permission. Feel free to do so...this will probably be a good motivation for me to wr

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Remi Vanicat
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now the idea was to find some way to help them along, and this may be the > solution to it. Notice that they still have veto right so nothing can get past > them if thet don't want. > > Having them take positive action to counter the NEW review team or the

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10231 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: >> - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and >> aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 10 kbytes of >> documentation...) (what's the current opinion on that, anyway?) > Don't you think maintainers are big enough to know how to h

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:14:27PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:03:15 -0700, Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 01:09:33PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > >> I am routinely running systems without any packet filtering capability > >> on the network,

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Andreas Tille | On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Karsten Merker wrote: | | >> Some, maybe. Are there lots of people running servers on m68k and arm? | > ^^^ | > Perhaps not on m68k, but at least I do on sparc and mipsel, and I doubt | > that I am the on

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Christian, On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 06:11:11PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Sigh, I *knew* someone would say this..:-) > > Well, I may be unlucky enough for the tutorial about "i18n/l10n > handling for maintainers and translators" I proposed at debconf > to be accepted. If it is, I *wil

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Mike Fedyk
Andreas Barth wrote: * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: Andreas Barth wrote: If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an architecture to be too slow to keep up, and will eventually discuss about kicking it out of the architectures

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:03:15 -0700, Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 01:09:33PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> I am routinely running systems without any packet filtering capability >> on the network, and they are perfectly able to cope. They just only >> accept network

Re: RFA: dpatch -- patch maintenance system for Debian source packages

2005-03-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:02:16 +0100, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >* Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-16 15:43]: >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:40:33 +0900, Junichi Uekawa >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Since I do care about dpatch, and I do use it a lot in my packages, >> >I will be w

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:43:52PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Sven Luther: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > > aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 10 kbytes of > > >

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Andreas Barth wrote: > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050316 20:55]: > > Andreas Barth wrote: > > >If that happens for a too long period, we might consider such an > > >architecture to be too slow to keep up, and will eventually discuss > > >about kicking it out of the architectures we wait for

Re: Relaxing testing requirements (was: summarising answers to Vancouver critique)

2005-03-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 17:10]: > Why can't we have separate sid->testing propagation for each arch, > then freeze testing as before, get rid of RC bugs, and release? Because than the security team may need to fix 11 different source packages (or how many architectures we act

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 10 kbytes of > > documentation...) (what's the current opinion on that, anyway?) > > Don't yo

Re: Relaxing testing requirements (was: summarising answers to Vancouver critique)

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 18:00 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.17.1734 +0100]: > > This it what I see as the attitude of *some* people: "It works on > > x86, x86-64 & ppc. Who cares about lame old and/or arches like > > m68k, arm, hppa & sparc?" >

Re: Relaxing testing requirements (was: summarising answers to Vancouver critique)

2005-03-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.17.1734 +0100]: > This it what I see as the attitude of *some* people: "It works on > x86, x86-64 & ppc. Who cares about lame old and/or arches like > m68k, arm, hppa & sparc?" Well, there seem to be no more than two ways to get rid of this pr

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you have all of the filtering rule support, then why is this even an > issue? Write the user-space tool and you should be golden; you've got a > useable firewalling implementation. > > What's the problem? Who said there was a problem? I was asking ex

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (This might be a topic without a possible conclusion!) > Funny, but although I'd say "an HTML file" or "an HTTPS url" or > similar, I'd say "a history achievement". Ah, in "a history achievement", you accent the first syllable of "history", which pr

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 10 kbytes of > documentation...) (what's the current opinion on that, anyway?) Don't you think maintainers are big en

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 01:09:33PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:39:48 -0700, Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >* The first rule of securing a machine exposed to the wilds is "Deny by > > default, allow by need". > > Which is pretty well accomplished by only running

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 03:16, Florian Zumbiehl wrote: > > > ... and probably not for (that is, not unless you tell me otherwise): > > > HPGL > > > HTML > > > HTTPS > > Traditionally I think these would use "an". Even if you pronounce "h" as > "haich"

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:56:58PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2005 19:14, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Hi, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > As far as a NEW-review team, when I raised this about a week ago, aj said > > > that you'd effectively be ftpmasters, so why not be an ftpma

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 02:35:27AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:29:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ideally we would see forming a little NEW-reviewing comittee which would > > facilitate the job of the ftp-masters. This is also in accordance of the > > small-team pro

Re: Relaxing testing requirements (was: summarising answers to Vancouver critique)

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 16:51 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.16.1923 +0100]: > > * relaxing "arch-specific" to also be able to exclude KDE/GNOME > > from mips (until someone commits to properly support it for > > whatever reason he has) > > Why

Orphaning some of my packages

2005-03-17 Thread Kyle McMartin
Due to a severe lack of time, I've decided to orphan a bunch of my packages. They are, o hp48cc o electric o vipec o libmad o madplay o libid3tag I've filed bugs orphaning them, and have uploaded packages with the maintainer set to QA. Justificatio

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.16.1707 +0100]: > What about requiring a binary upload with the source upload, but then > rebuilding the binary on the buildd of the uploaded binary *anyway*? It would also address a security/trust problem with which some professional customer

Re: #300000 I got it.:)

2005-03-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-03-17 16:40:10, schrieb Noèl Köthe: > Hello, > > we reached #30: > > Bug#30: libcrypt-ssleay-perl: package description typo(s) and the like Herzlichen Glückwunsch aus Strasbourg... Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michell

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Ben Collins
Read my previous replies. On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:01:07AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 10:54]: > > Ah, so why is vore down now for some time now? If it's so easy to > > that should read as auric of course. > > > Cheers, > Andi

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Ben Collins
Vore isn't down. On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:54:18AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Ben Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050317 03:25]: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:31:19PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:44:49PM -080

Relaxing testing requirements (was: summarising answers to Vancouver critique)

2005-03-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.16.1923 +0100]: > * relaxing "arch-specific" to also be able to exclude KDE/GNOME > from mips (until someone commits to properly support it for > whatever reason he has) Why do we make a package foo's entry to testing dependent on whether foo

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-17 Thread Joel Aelwyn
[ Please respect the list code of conduct; I don't request CCs, nor does ] [ my M-F-T get set as such. In other words, don't send them. ] On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:16:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Fine, if you want to get ped

#300000 I got it.:)

2005-03-17 Thread Noèl Köthe
Hello, we reached #30: Bug#30: libcrypt-ssleay-perl: package description typo(s) and the like -- NoÃl KÃthe Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil

Re: Package priority change?

2005-03-17 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 03:12:06PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Before filing any bugs on this matter to the BTS, I'd like to check > who is responsible for changing the priority of a package? Is it the > ftpmasters or the package maintainer? > > The package in question is k3b, which should depen

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 09:31:12AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 05:58:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > One of the problems with this is that you wouldn't benefit from the > > "hints" the release team prepares for britney; which might screw you > > over completely.

Re: RFA: dpatch -- patch maintenance system for Debian source packages

2005-03-17 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Marc, * Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-16 15:43]: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:40:33 +0900, Junichi Uekawa > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Since I do care about dpatch, and I do use it a lot in my packages, > >I will be willing to help out / adopt this package. > > After organizing on

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 05:58:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > >My basic idea is to have something similar to the testing migration > >scripts, which takes the decisions of the "master" copy running on > >ftp-master as an input. At a minimum: > > I think it's easiest

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 00:10 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:47:09AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 23:20 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:59:34AM +, Will Newton wrote: > > > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 03:16, Florian Zu

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 00:41 +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:20:12PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:59:34AM +, Will Newton wrote: > > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 03:16, Florian Zumbiehl wrote: [snip] > not even consistent in my own usage. Pro

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:45 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 16 Mars 2005 21:36, Ron Johnson a écrit : > > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Sa

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread Dave Holland
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:32:37PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > Ok, I can guarantee that it never dies. Sorry, but I do not believe you. "Never" is a very strong word. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/11/msg01926.html Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-17 Thread Mowgli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Do den 17. Mär 2005 um 14:13 schriebst Du: > > o Especially on laptops, it might be interesting to also encrypt all of > > /home and/or other parts of the harddrive to make the data unusuable > > without the USB key. But how to integrate this w

Re: An idea from a Debian user

2005-03-17 Thread Stelian Iancu
Evan Cox wrote: Hi Guys, I hope this is the right area to send this email. My apologies if I am wrong. If so, please forward to the appropriate area. I have fiddles with Linux distro's for approx 3 years, and found Debian 3 months ago. I adore it, and will be using debian from now on. I wo

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-03-16 21:18:33, schrieb Ola Lundqvist: > Hello > Some people tend to have really large inboxes. I have had a number of > customers that have several GB inbox. They tend to get quite a lot > of attachments (reports etc) and do not have the time to delete mail. > It will grow quite fast. Yo

Announcing PostgreSQL 8.0 packages and a new PostgreSQL infrastructure

2005-03-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Howdy to all database enthusiasts! PostgreSQL 8.0 is out to the public for a few weeks now, and the amount of emails asking "When can we get the debs?" is increasing every day. In addition, the current structure and packaging of the existing PostgreSQL 7.4 packages became too clumsy and inflexible

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marc Haber wrote: > What is the advantage of having a correctly maintained system behind > a firewall? Umm, multiple (different) safety guards in sequence, which the attacker would have to overcome, are assumed to be more secure than just one. Accidents happen. So do security advisories. --

Re: bug count is going to hit #300000! (was Re: Bug#299919: samba-common: ...)

2005-03-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > hey, we are near bug #30! (299925 currently. who'll ride the next?) We're also near the Unix timestamp of 11, which will be at 2005-03-18 01:58:31 UTC. Neither factoid is particularly helpful for getting Sargte's RC bug count down. ;-) -- Matthias Url

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-17 Thread Paul Hampson
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:20:12PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:59:34AM +, Will Newton wrote: > > On Thursday 17 March 2005 03:16, Florian Zumbiehl wrote: > > > ... and probably not for (that is, not unless you tell me otherwise): > > > > HPGL > > > > HTML > > > >

Package priority change?

2005-03-17 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Before filing any bugs on this matter to the BTS, I'd like to check who is responsible for changing the priority of a package? Is it the ftpmasters or the package maintainer? The package in question is k3b, which should depend on cdrdao, but cdrdao is too low priority for that. So, either k3b need

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