On 6/5/05, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * "Michael K. Edwards"
>
> | So either Debian collectively is
> | willing to labor to maintain a high standard of portability and
> | stability, or we need to focus on a few arches and ignore
> | bugs-in-principle that don't happen to break o
* "Michael K. Edwards"
| So either Debian collectively is
| willing to labor to maintain a high standard of portability and
| stability, or we need to focus on a few arches and ignore
| bugs-in-principle that don't happen to break on those systems.
At the same time, if we're releasing i386, powe
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
This seems incredible to me. What did you mean by this? You have never
heard of Knoppix, Morphix,
They do not provide an apt-get - able Debian mirror.
Xebian,
I really have not heard about this.
or the huge number of other, similar
distributions?
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Then how did these people end up choosing to support the same set of
architectures as Ubuntu?
There are always two explanations (at least):
1) Debian is taken over by Ubuntu.
2) Two different teams of people found the same solution for
a com
On 6/5/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can either step up and make sure the
> architectures you care about are in good shape for etch, or you can be a
> whiny brat expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter and
> accusing people of being members of a Canonical-
NOKUBI Takatsugu writes:
> BTW, there is the "n-gram" word in libdigest-nilsimsa-perl package's
> description without explain of the word.
Where it helps to render the description incomprehensible.
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On Sunday 05 June 2005 03:37 am, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Sound like a potential security nightmare to me. LaTeX is a full
> programming language.
Well, in principle it would be possible to just parse a subset of LaTeX [0]
and get reasonable results. If they're calling LaTeX directly, though, t
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 08:28:17AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> > "Steve" == Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve> kernel-image packages built against 2.6.8-16 are available
> Steve> in sarge for the past week or so for i386, alpha, and ia64.
> [...]
> Steve> In light
At Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:12:28 +0900,
Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> Instead of picking up keywords through whitespace-separated 'word's,
> it uses pre-set N number of characters for indexing.
I had a presentation about full-text search engines in Debian, see the
following, and it describe about N-gram ba
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 02:35:10PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> David Nusinow writes:
> > No. There are a number of people who are in charge of important technical
> > decisions who have no more association with Canonical than you or I
> > do. I'm sure if you stop ranting for a moment and think abou
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:01:33PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 17:57 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
> > The plan outlined in
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html is what
> > Ubuntu is already doing. Note that some of the people involved
> > > Could you please explain what is N-gram and what is this package useful
> > > for?
> >
> > N-gram is when you use n-characters as a 'word'.
> >
> > In some languages including Japanese, it is impossible to
> > determine a 'word', and N-gram is a method that defines a
> > 'word' as n-chara
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 07:15:49PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > All the teams that are occasionally accused of cabalistic
> > characteristics are composed of a diverse group of DD's, and I dare say
> > that they are composed of a group of DD's that simply have shown genuine
> > interest and c
> "Steve" == Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> kernel-image packages built against 2.6.8-16 are available
Steve> in sarge for the past week or so for i386, alpha, and ia64.
[...]
Steve> In light of the announcement at the beginning of May that
Steve> sarge is
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:49:27AM +0100, Stephen Birch wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 20:38 +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>
> > * The handling of NEW packages and in which cases to file an ITP.
> > * How to retrieve patches in the easiest way.
> > * How to start group maintenance
David Nusinow writes:
> No. There are a number of people who are in charge of important technical
> decisions who have no more association with Canonical than you or I
> do. I'm sure if you stop ranting for a moment and think about it you can
> name some of them yourself.
You are assuming that eve
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 22:55 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > And you're the one to tell I'm spreading FUD?
>
> Where did I say "FUD"?
Sorry, that was Tollef.
> > Real improvement comes from actual work on packages, not from discussion
> > here. The only cases where improvement can't be
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 09:17:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> I have to admit that I was not aware that there is something in parallel
> in this universe that the Debian mirrors which is providing *.deb packages
> of free software.
This seems incredible to me. What did you mean by this? You
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:37:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 20:40 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:50:57PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > The problem is that the decisions are always taken for the Ubuntu
> > > distribution firs
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 20:40 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:50:57PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > The problem is that the decisions are always taken for the Ubuntu
> > distribution first.
>
> There's two reasons why this could be happening:
>
> * There's a
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 03:08:48PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Since not everyone subscribes to d-d, is there a n easy way to do this?
> Would a change in a library that is officially depended on by more than
> X packages qualify to be sent out via d-d-a? Or does there is exist
> some alias
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:03:35PM +0300, Sami Haahtinen wrote:
> Personally i feel that Debian Developers should put their jealousy
> aside, burry the hatchet and start collaborating with the other
> developers out there, not just ubuntu. Besides, you have given your work
> out to the public for a
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 08:38:07PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
>
> Library maintainers
> ---
>
> Please treat the maintainers of packages build-depending on your
> library as first-class users. Try to always be aware of what
> consequences will your acts have for t
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The problem is that the decisions are always taken for the Ubuntu
> distribution first. Then, people from Canonical or people wanting to
> keep compatibility between the two distributions will always want
> Debian to follow the decisions taken for Ubuntu, regardless of t
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 ? 13:25 +0200, Matthias Klose a ?crit :
>> For etch we will update the toolchain (glibc, binutils,
>> linux-kernel-headers, gcc) again. Some updates look easy, other will
>> have a bigger impact on packages. One aspect of the toolchain update
>> is the change of the C
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:50:57PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> The problem is that the decisions are always taken for the Ubuntu
> distribution first.
There's two reasons why this could be happening:
* There's a master plan over at Canonical to try and take over Debian.
* For every step some
Hello,
[I'm sending this to three lists. Please only reply to -devel unless
the answer is on-topic for some of the others.]
This mail is about making people aware of how actions aimed at
improving Debian, like providing a new version of a library or NMUing
a package, can have negative e
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 07:15:49PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 19:00 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit :
> > If you're going to complain about a cabal, please do try to get the
> > facts straight: The DPL team consists of only one Canonical employee,
> > who was e
#include
* Josselin Mouette [Sun, Jun 05 2005, 06:32:10PM]:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 18:20 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> This is a real question, that deserves something else than "there is no
> cabal" as an answer. Debian has succeeded so far as the project was
> independent from any in
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 05:12:46PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:25:28PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> > >...
> > > - freeze unstable for uploads of library packages with new ABI
> > > versions. If a new soname is introduced now, it has to be
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 17:36 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> How is it going to affect the compatibility between Debian and Ubuntu?
> As I understand it, Ubuntu has started to move to G++ 4.0 without any
> synchronisation with the Debian toolchain maintainers.
Huh?!
If I'm not mistaken, couple o
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 19:00 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit :
> If you're going to complain about a cabal, please do try to get the
> facts straight: The DPL team consists of only one Canonical employee,
> who was even later, after the election, added (Benjamin "Mako" Hill),
> and in Vanc
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:32:10PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 ? 18:20 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a ?crit :
> > > Oh, great. I forgot that Canonical's business model is to use Ubuntu as
> > > an upstaging area for Debian, so that we're always lagging behind. Will
> > > the
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 18:34 +0200, Daniel Holbach a écrit :
> Hello Josselin,
>
> Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> > Oh, great. I forgot that Canonical's business model is to use Ubuntu as
> > an upstaging area for Debian, so that we're always lagging behind
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:32:10PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Are, as of today, Canonical and its employees the sole people
> responsible for important technical and political decisions within the
> project?
1) No. There are a number of people who are in charge of important
technical decisio
Adrian Bunk writes:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:25:28PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> >...
> > - freeze unstable for uploads of library packages with new ABI
> > versions. If a new soname is introduced now, it has to be changed a
> > few weeks later again. Packages depending on these librar
* Josselin Mouette
| Oh, great. I forgot that Canonical's business model is to use Ubuntu as
| an upstaging area for Debian, so that we're always lagging behind.
Uhm, so you think Debian should have done the gcc 4.0 transition while
in the final stages of a freeze? Do you think Ubuntu would hav
Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
> [Matthias Klose]
> > Pere, could you point of one of these packages?
>
> Which one? One of the packages changing name from libfoo to
> libfooc102 and then if this proposal goes through back to libfoo? Or
> one of the packages outside of debian installed on some mach
Hello Josselin,
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 18:01 +0200 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> Oh, great. I forgot that Canonical's business model is to use Ubuntu as
> an upstaging area for Debian, so that we're always lagging behind. Will
> the next development decisions also be taken by some Canonical sta
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 18:20 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > Oh, great. I forgot that Canonical's business model is to use Ubuntu as
> > an upstaging area for Debian, so that we're always lagging behind. Will
> > the next development decisions also be taken by some Canonical staff?
>
> Ye
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 06:01:33PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 17:57 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
> > The plan outlined in
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html is what
> > Ubuntu is already doing. Note that some of the people involved
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 17:57 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
> The plan outlined in
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html is what
> Ubuntu is already doing. Note that some of the people involved in the
> Ubuntu transition are Matthias Klose and Jeff Bailey so it would
* Josselin Mouette
| How is it going to affect the compatibility between Debian and Ubuntu?
Not.
| As I understand it, Ubuntu has started to move to G++ 4.0 without
| any synchronisation with the Debian toolchain maintainers.
Uhm, no?
The plan outlined in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-releas
tag 303860 patch
thanks
* Mathias Weyland [Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:38:49 +0200]:
> Hi
Hello Mathias,
> I'm trying to solve bug #303860 but I need some help. The problem is that
> the configure script errors on sparc because it can't find the KDE
> libraries. All other architechtures build fine.
Le dimanche 05 juin 2005 à 13:25 +0200, Matthias Klose a écrit :
> For etch we will update the toolchain (glibc, binutils,
> linux-kernel-headers, gcc) again. Some updates look easy, other will
> have a bigger impact on packages. One aspect of the toolchain update
> is the change of the C++ ABI f
Steve Langasek writes:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 03:04:45PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > [Matthias Klose]
> > > Details of the planned C++ ABI change can be found at
> > >
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html
>
> > There I find this remark:
>
> > Append
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:25:28PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
>...
> - freeze unstable for uploads of library packages with new ABI
> versions. If a new soname is introduced now, it has to be changed a
> few weeks later again. Packages depending on these libraries
> would need to be uploa
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:25:28PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> The time frame of the C++ ABI changed is not yet fixed. We will
> certainly need some time to get the toolchain in shape to start the
> transition. In the meantime you can check the new compilers in
> unstable (g++-3.4) and in expe
[Matthias Klose]
> Pere, could you point of one of these packages?
Which one? One of the packages changing name from libfoo to
libfooc102 and then if this proposal goes through back to libfoo? Or
one of the packages outside of debian installed on some machine
somewhere?
PS: No, I haven't checke
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 01:06:44PM -0400, sean finney wrote:
> instead of trying to force people to do things "your way", i would suggest
> that you come up with an infrastructure for making these packages that
> really is easier and consistant, and then say something like "packages
> built with ja
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 05:32:56AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> > "The official Debian packages are built by a buildd, also called build
> > daemon, which make use of sbuild (a package similar in function to
> > pbuilder) to ensure that every package i
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 03:09:02PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
>
> I guess many people confuse pbuilder and sbuild here , two entirely
> different pieces of software:
>
> pbuilder untars a tarball of a clean build system, copies the source
> into the chroot, installs the build dependencies th
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 03:04:45PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Matthias Klose]
> > Details of the planned C++ ABI change can be found at
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html
> There I find this remark:
> Appended is an updated version, the most notabl
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 10:28:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 08:53:06PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > Hi Roberto,
> > I read it and it seems great! Haven't had a change to build anything yet
> > but I'm sure it will help me when I do. a minor typo, search for
> > 'si
[Matthias Klose]
> Details of the planned C++ ABI change can be found at
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg00153.html
There I find this remark:
Appended is an updated version, the most notable change is to drop
the 'c102' suffix from packages, if it exists. This way, we
For etch we will update the toolchain (glibc, binutils,
linux-kernel-headers, gcc) again. Some updates look easy, other will
have a bigger impact on packages. One aspect of the toolchain update
is the change of the C++ ABI from version 1 (102) to version 2 (1002)
of the GNU C++ compiler. Looks p
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 08:18:59PM +0200, Florent Bayle wrote:
> Le Samedi 4 Juin 2005 19:43, Martin Braure de Calignon a ?crit :
> [...]
> > Provides the use of LaTeX code in conversation in gaim. The code is
> > converted in image by tex2im script (imagemagick) and the image is sent to
> > your
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:21 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> > > * N-gram based indexing; No dictionaries are needed
> > > * Support many types of documents; e.g. HTML, MS Word
> > > * Includes library for some programming languages
> > > * Add text incrementally
> >
> > Could yo
Hi,
Am Sunday 05 June 2005 11:43 schrieb Bill Allombert:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 02:38:49AM +0200, Mathias Weyland wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm trying to solve bug #303860 but I need some help. The problem
> > is that the configure script errors on sparc because it can't find
> > the KDE libraries
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 02:38:49AM +0200, Mathias Weyland wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm trying to solve bug #303860 but I need some help. The problem is that
> the configure script errors on sparc because it can't find the KDE
> libraries. All other architechtures build fine.
>
> linda complained that the
Hi,
> > * N-gram based indexing; No dictionaries are needed
> > * Support many types of documents; e.g. HTML, MS Word
> > * Includes library for some programming languages
> > * Add text incrementally
>
> Could you please explain what is N-gram and what is this package useful
> for?
N-g
Hey Kevin,
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 05:06 -0400 schrieb Kevin Mark:
> check out: http://debian.home.pipeline.com/ and look for the
> newdebian2.png for a somewhat accurate idea of how things work.
> Comments/questions welcomed.
After the first shudder at my end and the first daunting impressio
Hi Stephen,
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 10:49 +0100 schrieb Stephen Birch:
> How to report bugs. Do we really need to separate bug tracking
> mechanisms?
Some Debian maintainers were really unhappy about Ubuntu bugreports and
I do completly agree with them. Some packages are compiled against
dif
On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 20:38 +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> * The handling of NEW packages and in which cases to file an ITP.
> * How to retrieve patches in the easiest way.
> * How to start group maintenance.
>
> Maybe there are other issues, I missed in the thread.
How to rep
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 08:48:31AM +0200, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> Hey Adeodato,
>
> Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 04:29 +0200 schrieb Adeodato Simó:
> > but on the
> > packaging side they work as closely as possible: common VCS repository
> > and whatever.
>
> This sounds really cool.
>
>
>
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 12:22:07PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> Whats the deal with bug #307900?
> As far as I can tell from reading the bug report, the bug has not been
> fixed in sarge, will not be fixed for the release, but the bug has
> been closed.
kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-15 has been in testi
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 00:53 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> There isn't much that I can do about packages that I don't maintain; we have
> some tools for this, but it is primarily a matter of personal preference
> (and not Debian dogma) how packages are maintained in Debian. If there is
> some con
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 05:02 -0500, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting David Weinehall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > Indeed. The Nokia OSSO (Open Source Software Operations) that work on
> > this product consists of several DD's (myself being one), plus at least
> > one person in the NM-queue. Some
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 22:57 +0100, Dave Holland wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:37:28PM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote:
> > Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49:
> > > For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one
> > > more at
> > > 01:05 GMT; also see
> > > ht
On Saturday 04 June 2005 19.20, Joshua Jackson wrote:
> Where could I find out about projects that still need developers. I could
> code in perl and java. Please tell me where I can read the resources
> regarding to the available projects in debian.
Java: A group of people tries very hard to get
Hi Andreas,
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 09:17 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> My impression was that Ubuntu would directly derive
> from sid and universe would be kind of a sid mirror.
It's good to clarify some bits. In Ubuntu we have 4 repositories:
* main: the really really 18-months sup
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Daniel Holbach wrote:
We get those people there. Our NEW packages policy states that every
completely new package has to be reviewed by at least 3 maintainers or
MOTUs. The packages in question are in a pretty good state and the MOTU
hopefuls work incredibly hard to get into
Hey Andreas,
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2005, 09:07 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> What are the reasons for getting something easier into universe than
> sid according to your opinion?
Since we have no "package maintainers", but a big team of enthusiasts
trying to make as much cool things happen as po
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Adeodato [iso-8859-1] Simó wrote:
But, alas, there will not always be an interested DD for each new
package that Ubuntu/universe gets, and the difficulty to find a
sponsor, specially for non-experienced packagers, doesn't help here
either (correct me if I'm wrong, but it
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 12:22:07PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> As far as I can tell from reading the bug report, the bug has not been
> fixed in sarge, will not be fixed for the release, but the bug has
> been closed.
>
> Have we come to the point where making a release is more important
> then fixi
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