Re: [Fwd: RMLL 2006 : village des associations]

2006-05-21 Thread Xavier Oswald
Salut, J'étais à l'instant avec un des responsable des RMLL. Il reste 2 places de stand. Je lui ai dit d'en garder une pour nous. Donc est ce que quelqu'un est motivé pour participer à l'organisation de ce stand ? Je serai présent toute la semaine et dispo pour annimer ce stand. Je ne suis pas

Rappel pour les traduction s gérées par les maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Thomas Huriaux
Bonjour, Il est assez fréquent de tomber sur des traductions qui n'ont manifestement pas été relues sur debian-l10n-french. La plupart du temps, ces traductions sont gérées par les responsables des paquets qui les incluent directement sans aucun avis extérieur. Ce n'est pas pour vous embêter que

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Matt Taggart
Erast Benson writes... Once you accompany OpenSolaris kernel with GLIBC, you will kill this capability, you will not be able to run anything other than OSS compiled for your particular distro. That was my point. And isn't LSB is what GNU/Linux moving towards to? In OpenSolaris we have its

VLGC ViroLogic

2006-05-21 Thread Alphonse Numbers
Floyd, http://au.geocities.com/comprehensibleness54357 Alphonse Numbers, Acct. Rep. m7785125 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 21 May 2006 05:35, Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 21:11 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: Do you really believe so? Do you understand that such a hybrid will not run any existing Solaris apps like you will

Bug#368287: ITP: numl -- library for manipulating UML 2.0 models.

2006-05-21 Thread Victor Seva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Victor Seva [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libnuml-cil Version : 2.0 Upstream Author : Rodolfo Campero [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://numl.sourceforge.net * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C# Description :

Bug#368291: ITP: libnuml-cil -- library for manipulating UML 2.0 models.

2006-05-21 Thread Victor Seva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Victor Seva [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libnuml-cil Version : 2.0.0 Upstream Author : Rodolfo Campero [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://numl.sourceforge.net * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C# Description

Bug#368292: ITP: libnuml-cil -- library for manipulating UML 2.0 models.

2006-05-21 Thread Victor Seva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Victor Seva [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libnuml-cil Version : 2.0 Upstream Author : Rodolfo Campero [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://numl.sourceforge.net * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C# Description :

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get rejected if it was of release quality). IMHO a glibc-based OpenSolaris would

drupal orphaned?

2006-05-21 Thread Erik Steffl
is drupal debian package effectively orphaned? It is already two major upgrades (more than a year) behind upstream (and upstream recommends to upgrade from one version to next so the upgrades to current might get complicated). there are bugs asking for new version (one about a year old

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-21 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/21/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For multiarch this will be an inconvenience though as people might want to install both 32bit and 64bit of a -dev package. For such small scripts spliting them into extra packages seems wrong but then you have to use alternatives or

Bug#368309: ITP: pcf2bdf -- convert X11 font from PCF to BDF format

2006-05-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: pcf2bdf Version : 1.04 Upstream Author : TAGA Nayuta [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.tsg.ne.jp/GANA/S/pcf2bdf/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C++ Description

#252593: roxen2: Won't purge

2006-05-21 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
I've had some time left and I thought I'd spend that to fix some bugs... What should I do with this bug? Roxen2 is only available in 'oldstable' (woody)... But how do I direct an upload there? Or should I put it into sarge, so that it can be removed THERE instead? The same question goes for

Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-21 Thread Nathanael Nerode
OK, I brought this up a while back. (For some reason I can't seem to find the beginning of the topic, but see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00238.html ) I got a few comments in favor. Someone asked what syslog other distros are using. RedHat is still using sysklogd. However,

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 23:05 -0700, Matt Taggart wrote: Erast Benson writes... Once you accompany OpenSolaris kernel with GLIBC, you will kill this capability, you will not be able to run anything other than OSS compiled for your particular distro. That was my point. And isn't LSB is what

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 10:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get rejected if it was

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 09:49 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 05:35, Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 21:11 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: Do you really believe so? Do you understand that such a

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Erast Benson wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 10:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Then provide the Solaris libc and other support libraries somewhere proprietary applications can use them, while building your system around glibc. It is not easy possible to achieve. I'd say it would be

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 20 May 2006 16:18:44 -0500 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license before accepting it into non-free (which is three times the usual examination, It may be three times the usual examination, but when

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:38:57PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: As has already been pointed out: what if Sun Java manages to enter a future stable (or oldstable) release? How quickly can Debian effectively drop a package from there? Is this really a problem? After all, nothing in main can

Bug#368334: ITP: libexpertcoder-cil -- ExpertCoder is a toolkit that supports the creation of code generators based on expert systems.

2006-05-21 Thread Victor Seva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Victor Seva [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libexpertcoder-cil Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Rodolfo Campero [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://expertcoder.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C#

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/21/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For multiarch this will be an inconvenience though as people might want to install both 32bit and 64bit of a -dev package. For such small scripts spliting them into extra packages seems

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 17:09 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Erast Benson wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 10:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Then provide the Solaris libc and other support libraries somewhere proprietary applications can use them, while building your system around glibc.

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:59:33PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: (f) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 22:45 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 21 May 2006 17:34, Erast Benson wrote: --cut-- But I hope you still got me right. For me, all these things are existing applications which must run. The world is not 100% open sourced yet and we are in it, we are part of it, therefore my ideal OS need to be capable to run

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 04:18:44PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license before accepting it into non-free (which is three times the usual examination, and was done given the inability to examine the

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 04:17:04AM -0700, David A. wrote: I've briefly folllowed this legal discussion and I understand there are details and stuff to sort out. Somehow I'm struck by the impression that there are forces that don't want Sun JVM even in non-free? No, I don't think your

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 21 May 2006 19:06, Erast Benson wrote: -cut-- Clean way would be to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC functionality. Btw, have you seen SUN C library code? Its done very clean, very polished code base which runs at least on i386, amd64, sparc and powerpc arches. Peace, but I

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 19:14 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 17:34, Erast Benson wrote: --cut-- But I hope you still got me right. For me, all these things are existing applications which must run. The world is not 100% open sourced yet and we are in it, we are part

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:44:50AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: So, why GLIBC is so important to you? What do you miss in SUN C library? And why do you think technically impossible to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC functionality? I'm just trying to understand your point of view..

Re: Bug#368309: ITP: pcf2bdf -- convert X11 font from PCF to BDF format

2006-05-21 Thread Ben Pfaff
Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pcf2bdf is a font de-compiler. It converts an X11 font from Portable Compiled Format (PCF) to Bitmap Distribution Format (BDF). . FONTBOUNDINGBOX in a BDF file is not used by bdftopcf, so pcf2bdf generates irresponsible values. I don't think

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 21 May 2006 19:44, Erast Benson wrote: --cut-- So, why GLIBC is so important to you? What do you miss in SUN C library? And why do you think technically impossible to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC functionality? I'm just trying to understand your point of view.. Glibc is

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 19:40 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 19:06, Erast Benson wrote: -cut-- Clean way would be to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC functionality. Btw, have you seen SUN C library code? Its done very clean, very polished code base which runs at

Re: Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-21 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Nathanael Nerode wrote: [snip] The installer can use whatever seems most appropriate (does it even log?): The installer does log and puts the logs at /var/log/debian-installer/ on the successfully installed system. If the installation fails, the logs (in the installer ramdisk) are a valuable

Bug#368371: ITP: gp2c -- PARI/GP GP to C compiler

2006-05-21 Thread Bill Allombert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: gp2c Version : 0.0.4pl5 Upstream Author : Your truly [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description :

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 18:54 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:44:50AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: So, why GLIBC is so important to you? What do you miss in SUN C library? And why do you think technically impossible to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 May 2006, Francesco Poli wrote: Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license before accepting it into non-free (which is three times the usual examination, It may be three times the usual examination, but when the license is

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 10:29:17AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: ..there's limited manpower in the world... can not be an acceptable argument for future development. Why not? It's certainly better than “with an unspecified amount of work done by an unspecified labor force, option A can be as good

Re: drupal orphaned?

2006-05-21 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Erik Steffl 2006-05-21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is drupal debian package effectively orphaned? It is already two major upgrades (more than a year) behind upstream (and upstream recommends to upgrade from one version to next so the upgrades to current might get complicated). No, please have

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Alexander Wirt
Raphael Hertzog schrieb am Sonntag, den 21. Mai 2006: PS: Yeah I'm a bit pissed of that we only have people criticizing when we do great things. You can get applause if you do great things, not if you do harm to debian and opensource. As I said, the license has to be changed. Alex --

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 20 May 2006 16:18:44 -0500 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license before accepting it into non-free (which is three times the usual examination, It may be

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Julien BLACHE
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Raphael, In that case, ftpmasters accepted it, end of discussion. You HAVE to accept decisions of delegates within Debian, that's how we can effectively work. Nope, you don't have to accept decisions made by delegates. You have the option to

Re: Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nathanael Nerode: (2) Upstream status. There hasn't been a new upstream for sysklogd since 2001. All of the others are active upstream. Have you checked if SuSE's syslog-ng is heavily patched? If it's mostly alright, it's probably a good indicator that syslog-ng is the way to go (and I

Re: #252593: roxen2: Won't purge

2006-05-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Turbo Fredriksson: I've had some time left and I thought I'd spend that to fix some bugs... What should I do with this bug? Roxen2 is only available in 'oldstable' (woody)... But how do I direct an upload there? Or should I put it into sarge, so that it can be removed THERE instead? Hmm?

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 13:38 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : It may be three times the usual examination, but when the license is not *clearly* suitable for the archive under consideration (non-free, in this case), the general recommendation is to check with debian-legal, AFAICT. But this

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 12:34 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : You are not responsible to make that decision in Debian, ftpmasters are. Criticizing ftpmasters won't help them changing their minds. If not, it has to help changing the ftpmasters. Thanks to everyone who worked (even privately)

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Thomas Weber
I don't have a particular opinion for Java in Debian or not, but there are some points you raise: Am Sonntag, den 21.05.2006, 12:34 -0500 schrieb Raphael Hertzog: In that case, ftpmasters accepted it, end of discussion. Don't you think that the main problem here is that there *wasn't* any

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 04:49:49PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 5/19/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:51:58PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Gregor Herrmann] If you look at by_vote [0] the situation is different: http://popcon.debian.org/main/editors/by_vote [0] which seems more relevant to me: #inst is the number of people who installed this package;

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Romain Beauxis
Hi! Le Dimanche 21 Mai 2006 19:34, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : PS: Yeah I'm a bit pissed of that we only have people criticizing when we do great things. I know I shouldn't, but I was really upset by your answer. I'm happy that people speak up and claim their fear with this licence, and

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:23:09PM -0300, Maximiliano Curia wrote: On Friday 19 May 2006 10:25, Wouter Verhelst wrote: So, instead of using static feature lists to define an application's priority with which it would be configured in the alternatives system, why not use popcon data to do

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Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Ondrej Sury
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 18:54 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: because non-glibc Debian architectures does exists (i.e. FreeBSD,Solaris,Darwin), and it is time to consider them and accept their existence. Those core architectures are open sourced and their communities will only grow over

Re: SPNT Shopnet.com

2006-05-21 Thread Valarie Kurtz
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Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-21 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Wouter Verhelst] Which, I'm sure, is important for popcon maintainers; however, I don't think it is very relevant in this discussion (unless you can point me towards an editor that is implemented as a library ;-) The problem do not only affect libraries. There are other packages (with user

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-21 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 21 May 2006 22:48, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: --cut-- Heck, even the installation number have problems. Just check out URL:http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=popularity-contest, showing that 99.72% of the machines reporting to popcon have popcon installed. I believe that

Processed: Re: Bug#368383: dumb manual page for... NAME section on many man pages

2006-05-21 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, May 21, 2006 21:18, Josselin Mouette wrote: PS: Yeah I'm a bit pissed of that we only have people criticizing when we do great things. What great things? Taking irresponsible decisions that expose the whole project to legal actions from Sun? I don't feel like thanking anyone for

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Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/21/06, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The precise terms are to be found in the license: as long as the license is unchanged or unamended (with legally binding additions), the issues should not be considered solved... No one has addressed my question about estoppel. My guess is

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 22:38 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst a écrit : Given this legal background of yours, could you please help by using that to improve the licence, instead of just complaining about how others handled it? Please give the right example. I'm afraid I have more interesting things

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 May 2006, Thomas Weber wrote: Don't you think that the main problem here is that there *wasn't* any discussion, at least for the vast majority of Debian developers and users? No, if we should discuss before taking any action we wouldn't get anything done. If you really want to

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 09:44 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : because non-glibc Debian architectures does exists (i.e. FreeBSD,Solaris,Darwin) Stop the lies. * The FreeBSD port is glibc-based. * There is no Darwin port. Fink is a toy based on APT and has nothing in common

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 May 2006, Romain Beauxis wrote: I know I shouldn't, but I was really upset by your answer. You shouldn't be upset. I'm happy that people speak up and claim their fear with this licence, and no, This is OK. They can ask questions and have a right to know why ftpmasters accepted

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 09:44 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : (Debian-devel, sorry for the spam.) Erast, you shouldn't post on public mailing lists if you don't even accept the email replies. Please fix your SMTP server by removing use of the stupid and broken MAPS RBL, or simply stop posting.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 May 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 22:38 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst a écrit : Given this legal background of yours, could you please help by using that to improve the licence, instead of just complaining about how others handled it? Please give the right

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Dim 21 Mai 2006 23:04, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Fears are unfounded, we can at any time terminate the license by removing java! just do it, shall we ? -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOO

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-21 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 05:06:13PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: While we are at it why not remove sections alltogether? We have the debtags system that by far superseeds the sections and since the pool structure is used sections have been quite useless. There are some reasons I'm not

Re: Unidentified subject!

2006-05-21 Thread Hex Star
o_O...I wonder if these explicit messages, and these obviously have the intent of being explicit are going to cause the same rise as the last explicit message sent to this list...a shame people send such nonsense to these helpful and knowladgeable lists...*sigh*... On 5/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 May 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: interested in java in non-free, it's not your job to try to forbid them to work on that. Not if it hurts the project. And it does. You think it does. Others do. Others don't. I don't. Start a GR if you think the ftpmasters are wrong. There's no

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 17:04 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : You think it does. Others do. Others don't. I don't. Start a GR if you think the ftpmasters are wrong. There's no point in telling everyone that you don't agree just for the sake of it. I think this is going to happen. How can

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:09:04AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: At least so far as I understand it, the ftp-masters (i.e., the people who did this check) are the people responsible for verifying and checking licenses in uploaded packages and debian-legal exists as an advisory body for the

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Good, but you shouldn't decide what others have to do. Some people are interested in java in non-free, it's not your job to try to forbid them to work on that.

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 05:06:13PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: While we are at it why not remove sections alltogether? We have the debtags system that by far superseeds the sections and since the pool structure is used sections have been quite

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Good, but you shouldn't decide what others have to do. Some people are interested in java in non-free, it's not your job to try to forbid them to work on that. Not if it hurts the project. And it does. The license is good

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Lun 22 Mai 2006 00:55, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Good, but you shouldn't decide what others have to do. Some people are interested in java in non-free, it's

Re: [Fwd: Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers]

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 20 mai 2006 à 19:43 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : Nexenta is absolutely rock stable OS (thanks to legendary Solaris history) Solaris history is indeed legendary, but not for its stability. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-21 Thread David Weinehall
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:34:17PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my capability.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 15:55 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : If you have a reason to believe that the ftpmasters have *misjudged* the liability involved, This is the whole point of the discussion. or you are approaching this as a mirror operator who is not comfortable with the license and

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Alexander Wirt
Raphael Hertzog schrieb am Sonntag, den 21. Mai 2006: *snip* The license is good enough for Debian (ftpmasters took their decisions). There's no fix to require, but it would be good to continue working them to enhance even more the license. Such a constructive behaviour would put us in a

Bug#368395: ITP: blockattack -- Tetris Attack Clone

2006-05-21 Thread Gonéri Le Bouder
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gonéri Le Bouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: blockattack Version : 1.1.2 Upstream Author : Poul Sander * URL : http://blockattack.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C, C++ Description :

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:06:42AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Le Lun 22 Mai 2006 00:55, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 16:17 -0500, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Good, but you shouldn't decide what

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Brett Parker
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:51:38PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Dim 21 Mai 2006 23:04, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Fears are unfounded, we can at any time terminate the license by removing java! just do it, shall we ? Gets my, uncountable, vote. Cheers, Brett. --

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 5/19/06, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) (b) the Software is distributed with your Operating System, and such distribution is solely for the purposes of running Programs under the control of your Operating System and designing, developing and

Re: Bug#368371: ITP: gp2c -- PARI/GP GP to C compiler

2006-05-21 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 10:18:19PM +0200, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: * Package name: gp2c Version : 0.0.4pl5 Upstream Author : Your truly [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Drew Parsons
Michael wrote: Speaking realistically, such a move of Sun would be spectacularly bad PR for them esp. considering their statements about future Java licensing efforts they have committed to. That's true. But why did they release this license and used no other wording? You

[EMAIL PROTECTED] list has moved

2006-05-21 Thread Aaron Leonard
The [EMAIL PROTECTED] list has been superseded by the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nas). -Original Message- Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from fire.cisco.com (firebird.cisco.com) by Cisco.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #12361) with ESMTP id

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Taggart and others [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Several people have been working on a project we've been calling multiarch, to seamlessly support running applications for multiple different binary targets on the

Re: CAN-2005-3163: polipo permits reading files outside of web root di

2006-05-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hi Tom, (I am the upstream author of Polipo.) I have just checked the sources of polipo 0.9.8-1, and this bug is still present. This is a serious security bug, but is mitigated by the Debian installation. The bug allows anyone who has access to Polipo's local web server to read any file that

Bug#368412: ITP: flup -- Implements Python Web Server Gateway Interface (WSGI)

2006-05-21 Thread Kai Hendry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kai Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: flup Version : 0.1913 Upstream Author : Allan Saddi [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.saddi.com/software/flup * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description :

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the word estoppel only has meaning in jurisdictions deriving from English common law, I think it'd be silly to assume it works the way you think it does in any of the other jurisdictions Debian or any of its mirrors may come in contact

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-21 Thread Miles Bader
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Similary any vi extension should top vi itself. Also zile, emacs, xemacs build kind of a progression. Kind of progression?? -Miles -- Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. -- Jerry Garcia -- To

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Brett Parker
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:58:18PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 21 May 2006, Thomas Weber wrote: Don't you think that the main problem here is that there *wasn't* any discussion, at least for the vast majority of Debian developers and users? No, if we should

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Adam Warner
On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:17:52 -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: If Sun doesn't fix the license (and I don't think it is our work to fix The license is good enough for Debian (ftpmasters took their decisions). There's no fix to require, but it would be good to continue working them to enhance

Re: [Fwd: Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers]

2006-05-21 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:30:59PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 20 mai 2006 à 19:43 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : Nexenta is absolutely rock stable OS (thanks to legendary Solaris history) Solaris history is indeed legendary, but not for its stability. Well, when you consider

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:08:17AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 15:55 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : If you have a reason to believe that the ftpmasters have *misjudged* the liability involved, This is the whole point of the discussion. Not that I can see.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As Bill Allombert just pointed out, the Intention To Package process was clearly subverted: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-newpackage Assuming no one else is already working on your prospective package, you must

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: - Allow arch specific depends I propose to use Depends: pkg:arch (= 1.2-3) as syntax for thses. While for etch no package should use them dpkg should accept them so installing

Re: Unidentified subject!

2006-05-21 Thread Hex Star
Hmmm...interesting...the other time someone posted something explicit and someone replied to it and pointed it out, everyone joined in and investigated it...this time the person who points it out gets criticized...go figure...I always get the short end of the stick... On 5/21/06, Bas Zoetekouw

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