On Saturday 03 June 2006 16:57, Anthony Towns wrote:
You can say that if you like, but please be aware that it's not Debian's
position. Debian's position, as consistently expressed by ftpmaster,
on this list, and in the press, is that the license is acceptable for
non-free, and that is also
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that the covert actions of the small cabal
were openly reviewed. The license (for convenience), any
relevant written promises from Sun (if any), and any relevant
written legal
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't
even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list.
As a semi-regular on -legal, I
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 17:39 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't
even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list.
Despite all of that,
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:39:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that the covert actions of the small cabal
were openly reviewed. The license (for
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:57:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
position. Debian's position, as consistently expressed by ftpmaster,
on this list, and in the press, is that the license is acceptable for
non-free, and that is also Sun's position.
Just for clarification, a position expressed by a
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that the covert actions of the small cabal
were openly reviewed. The license (for convenience), any
relevant written promises
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:16PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that the covert actions of the small cabal
were openly
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 03:59 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made
something like 5 posts to debian-legal, though, which I guess given Andrew
Donnellan's
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:39:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
be posted to debian-legal.
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:57:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
OTOH, I'd say pull it *now* while distribution is low, then fix the
problems, and only *then* get it back in... seems to be the least
damaging route to go for, imho.
You can say that if you like, but please be aware that it's
Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As beautiful as this irony is of a non-developer asserting on a developer
list that being involved in development is irrelevant,
But being involved in development _is_ irrelevant as regards whether
his arguments have merit or not.
--
Henning Makholm
Bill Allombert wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:57:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I see no ground in the Debian constitution to claim this is Debian's
position. Being the ftp-masters decisision does not make it the
Debian's position.
As for the relevance of Sun position on Debian
Non-freeness is a red herring. The issue is that a small cabal -
- a small cabal operating outside its field of expertise - has
placed Debian in the position of indemnifying Sun.
And isn't another small cabal of freeness junkies, who cannot accept
that it is actually possible to work with
On 6/4/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:16PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that
Christian Perrier wrote:
And isn't another small cabal of freeness junkies, who cannot accept
that it is actually possible to work with commercial vendors to assist
them in their way to free software, doing exactly the opposite by
playing words with legal issues ?
Please explain how this
Olaf van der Spek wrote:
I guess the conclusion is that being a Debian developer means you're
right and not being one means you're wrong?
More like, being a Debian developer means your arguments are ignored and
not being a Debian developer means your arguments are ignored (for a
completely
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
- something it already had (admins who really wanted Sun's Java could
always go to java.sun.com and install it themselves or use java-package)
Come on; you could say this about almost _every single_ package in the
archive.
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
- something it already had (admins who really wanted Sun's Java could
always go to java.sun.com and install it themselves or use java-package)
Come on; you could say this about almost _every
Also, I should add that agreeing to a license that commits SPI to
indemnify Sun in certain circumstances should not have happened without
consulting with the board of SPI and SPI's attorney. **Regardless** of
the particular opinion on whether or not this is a legal risk, this
consultation should
#include hallo.h
* Olaf van der Spek [Sun, Jun 04 2006, 02:31:00PM]:
For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made
something like 5 posts to debian-legal, though, which I guess given Andrew
AT == Anthony Towns [2006-6-4]
AT For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer,
AT doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer
AT applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the
AT debian-legal list.
So what?
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AT For those playing along at home, zzz isn't a Debian developer,
AT doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer
AT applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the
AT debian-legal list.
So what?
I would like to request everyone to think before posting any
On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 09:57 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I would furthermore strongly encourage people to work *with* Sun towards
improving the current license
There have been numerous issues with the current text pointed out here
already, I guess people are currently just waiting for the fixes
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:39:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't
even seem to be a regular participant on the
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote:
And isn't another small cabal of freeness junkies, who cannot accept
that it is actually possible to work with commercial vendors to assist
them in their way to free software, doing exactly the
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 08:58 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit :
If Larry Ellison shows
up at the next DebConf can we expect Debian to start distributing Oracle
as well?
If Oracle allows the project to distribute Oracle with *reasonable*
license terms for non-free, and if someone is
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 17:50 +0600, Christian Perrier a écrit :
And isn't another small cabal of freeness junkies, who cannot accept
that it is actually possible to work with commercial vendors to assist
them in their way to free software, doing exactly the opposite by
playing words with
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name : app-install-data
Upstream Author : Werner Stille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://frsl06.physik.uni-freiburg.de/privat/stille/kpl/
* License : GPL
Package: kpl
Architecture: any
Depends: ${shlibs:Depends},
Hi all,
for those who don't know, nmudiff is a small script by Steinar H.
Gunderson that, when invoked in the source tree of a NMU, will create a
diff with respect the previous version, and send it to the BTS. I've
found it quite useful myself, and probably others have as well.
By default, the
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:23:33PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
(And while I wait for answers, I'll go dream about the day when dak
itself will send the diffs to the BTS, if ever.)
Actually, you can implement this outside dak, but I'd hesitate to do this
automatically. How would people feel
Adeodato Simó wrote:
Hi all,
Hi
for those who don't know, nmudiff is a small script by Steinar H.
Gunderson that, when invoked in the source tree of a NMU, will create a
diff with respect the previous version, and send it to the BTS. I've
found it quite useful myself, and probably others
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 07:37:21PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote:
I really hope we can solve the issues in a graceful manner.
...and fast, too. This is urgent while that the package is in the
archive with the broken license. I think we should set a
Hi, i would like to extrapolate a discussion from the big Sun Java
available from non-free thread and comment and listen for comment on
it. In particular, the primary question is: Who can write on debian-devel?
Please, don't consider this a polemic message (except the last part
maybe... ;-) ):
Cesare Leonardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They seems to say: If you don't write code, you cannot permit to speak
in debian-devel. Or, that is worse: If you don't write code you are
not partecipating in the Debian development.
No. They say If you are not participating in Debian development,
Hi,
one of my packages hast the lintian warning that the
standards version it uses it newer. Yacpi has standards
version 3.7.2 and at the time of uploading yacpi this
version of the debian-policy was released.
http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-policy.html shows
2006-05-04 as date for
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 06:38:40PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
Hi,
one of my packages hast the lintian warning that the
standards version it uses it newer. Yacpi has standards
version 3.7.2 and at the time of uploading yacpi this
version of the debian-policy was released.
Hallo Eduard,
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Jörg Sommer [Sat, May 27 2006, 10:59:39PM]:
No, they don't. At least my packages call it only if `uname -r` ==
target version. When you drop the depmod run, and someone installs a new
kernel together with accompanying
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Loic Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: gnome-python-desktop
Version : 2.14.0
Upstream Author : Benoît Dejean [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Gustavo Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED],
James Henstridge [EMAIL
On May 23, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init
script?
So I did it. Since yesterday depmod -A is not run at boot time anymore.
--
ciao,
Marco
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060510 23:10]:
we think the switch to gcc 4.1
as default should only be made if not more than 20 packages become RC
buggy by it. Also, the switch should happen latest 1.5 months prior to
freeze, that is Jun 15th.
As we are below the 20 packages count
* Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-04 21:01]:
As we are below the 20 packages count if bug #366820 is correct (and
Martin just confirmed the number), it is ok to do the switch now.
Martin, can you please also mark these bugs as serious now (as
they're FTBFS then)?
Yes, we have been
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, does anybody mind if I remove depmod from the module-init-tools init
script?
So I did it. Since yesterday depmod -A is not run at boot time anymore.
Will the case described in this message (from the postinst for kernel .debs
made by kernel-package)
Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
Will the case described in this message (from the postinst for kernel .debs
made by kernel-package) still work ok?
No, the majority of kernel module packages are now broken. Might be a
few days until I can get around to fixing dh_installmodules (#301424).
BTW, if a
reassign 366820 gcc-defaults
thanks
Let's switch to 4.1 when a fixed 4.1.1 is in the archive.
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On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:17:30PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
I found one serious bug in 4.1.1 though (#370308) which needs to be
fixed before 4.1 can be the default (since it produces a bogus error
on some Perl headers which get included by many packages). Matthias
is aware of this and
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote:
And isn't another small cabal of freeness junkies, who cannot accept
that it is actually possible to work with commercial vendors to assist
them in their way to free software,
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Cesare Leonardi wrote:
Hi, i would like to extrapolate a discussion from the big Sun Java
available from non-free thread and comment and listen for comment on
it. In particular, the primary question is: Who can write on debian-devel?
Please, don't
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote:
[snip]
All good points. However, I think that much of the popular press (in
the sense of popular geek
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 04:28:18PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
All good points. However, I think that much of the popular press (in
the sense of popular geek press) is not making the distinction between
Debian proper and Debian non-free. Some have, but others have not.
Headlines like
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 04:52:22PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
- something it already had (admins who really wanted Sun's Java could
always go to java.sun.com and install it themselves or use java-package)
Well, see, *this* is not true. Sure, it's possible to install Java on a
Debian
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Errr... apt-get says:
Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release
Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in
Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
And, indeed, despite appearing in Architectures, there is no
On 6/4/06, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Olaf van der Spek [Sun, Jun 04 2006, 02:31:00PM]:
For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made
something like 5 posts to
And which part of the message you quote as an example is the inappropriate one?
AT For those playing along at home, zzz isn't a Debian developer,
AT doesn't maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer
AT applicant. He doesn't even seem to be a regular participant on the
AT debian-legal
Cesare Leonardi wrote:
In particular, the primary question is: Who can write on debian-devel?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/
Discussion about technical development topics. (High-volume mailing
list.)
This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone.
(I would add: Anyone who
su, 2006-05-28 kello 18:40 -0500, Andrew McMillan kirjoitti:
(a) Order the list of keysigning participants by centrality.
It might be interesting to compare the optimal grouping of people to a
random one, using the matrix style of keysigning party I proposed
after the Debconf5 one. See [1] for
Daniel Kobras wrote:
Method B
Package: oldpkg
Depends: newpkg
Files:
/usr/share/doc/oldpkg - /usr/share/doc/newpkg
(and nothing else)
Does not this hit another bug in dpkg ?
It seems that empty old directories cannot be replaced by a
symlink without special pre/postinst
Hi,
After Marga's talk in Debconf6, I've been working in a program that starts the
initscripts in parallel [1]. It's similar in some aspects to startpar (part
of sysvinit package) but with two main goals: it must work, it must be as
little intrusive as possible (in respect to the scripts
also sprach Maximiliano Curia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.05.0039 +0200]:
It's not ready to be released, nor to be included in Debian, but
I would really like to have some eyes over it, some comments and
suggestions.
Even though debian-devel is not the wrong place, you do want to
check out
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 03:30:49PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:39:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer
Hi,
By default, the current version of nmudiff opens a new bug against the
package and attaches the diff to it. I recently submitted wishlist
#370056 against devscripts so nmudiff behaves like this only if --new is
passed, and by default sends the patch to the bugs the NMU fixes.
I don't
also sprach Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.05.0036 +0200]:
I don't think there is much harm in opening a new NMU bug.
Isn't an NMU by definition bound to an existing bug? Or at least
should be? So then I'd say that nmudiff should *never* open a new
bug.
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* Junichi Uekawa [Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:36:43 +0900]:
I don't think there is much harm in opening a new NMU bug.
No, there isn't. Plus has been the right way for years, AIUI, and
dev-ref explicitly mentions it.
How about taking a command-line option so that it will add to the
bugreport when a
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His message was polite, and didn't seem like a demand (despite the use
of the word cabal).
The Too many excuses. All inadequate bit was polite?
His request was quite reasonable, and I heartily agree with it.
His message also was much more than that,
Scripsit Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Junichi Uekawa [Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:36:43 +0900]:
I don't think there is much harm in opening a new NMU bug.
No, there isn't. Plus has been the right way for years, AIUI, and
dev-ref explicitly mentions it.
How is it righter than sending the NMU
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 11:02:59PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
Please RTFM [1], Blackdown has been distributing java packages for Debian
through their own APT repositories and mirror network for quite some time.
For example check this:
# Blackdown Java
deb
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Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 04 juin 2006 à 03:59 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made
something like 5
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