Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread MJ Ray
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Starting with "What is key for Debian" makes it sound like a policy > statement on behalf of Debian, and "Just fix the license" could then be > interpreted as a demand from Debian that Sun alter the license. If Sun believe things from random people that easi

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:33:46AM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:04:56PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > >> I'm afraid I don't understand the fear here. What would it mean for d-l > >> to become gnome.alioth.debian.org in your example? > > > > Non

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006, David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:04:56PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > > I'm afraid I don't understand the fear here. What would it mean for d-l > > to become gnome.alioth.debian.org in your example? > > Non-developers, no matter how much they love Free Soft

Re: New LTSP uploaded!

2006-06-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Also, there's some tools from ltsp-utils that might be good to have in >> but then would be good if you join pkg-ltsp project and coordenate >> with the rest of people what to get in. >> >> See you there ;-) >> > OK. If that is the case, pleas

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Travis Crump
David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:04:56PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> I'm afraid I don't understand the fear here. What would it mean for d-l >> to become gnome.alioth.debian.org in your example? > > Non-developers, no matter how much they love Free Software and Debian, > don'

Re: New LTSP uploaded!

2006-06-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Otavio Salvador wrote: > > On ltsp-utils? Would be better if you could join our effort to make > LTSP good enough to all vendors. We're trying to make flexible enough > that will be trivial to share code between Debian, Ubuntu and any > other vendor that start to use our code. > > Also, there's s

Re: New LTSP uploaded!

2006-06-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Otavio Salvador wrote: >> Hello Folks, >> >> I did the upload of our new LTSP version. Of course, I'm very happy >> with it! It does a great job and will have a lot of new bugs since we >> redid a lot of code. >> >> Personally, I would like to t

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:04:56PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > I'm afraid I don't understand the fear here. What would it mean for d-l > to become gnome.alioth.debian.org in your example? Non-developers, no matter how much they love Free Software and Debian, don't get to decide on the policies

Re: New LTSP uploaded!

2006-06-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Otavio Salvador wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I did the upload of our new LTSP version. Of course, I'm very happy > with it! It does a great job and will have a lot of new bugs since we > redid a lot of code. > > Personally, I would like to thank firstly to Vagrant (vagrantc) who > spent a lot of tim

New LTSP uploaded!

2006-06-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Folks, I did the upload of our new LTSP version. Of course, I'm very happy with it! It does a great job and will have a lot of new bugs since we redid a lot of code. Personally, I would like to thank firstly to Vagrant (vagrantc) who spent a lot of time working with me at Debcamp and to Gus

O: cutter

2006-06-05 Thread Blars Blarson
retitle 316195 O: cutter -- disconnect routed IP connections severity 232058 grave thanks I'm not using this package, and it reportedly does not work with 2.6 kernels. It's been in RFA state for almost a year, with no takers. (One NM contacted me, but never prepared a fixed package for sponsorshi

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So let's make an analogy. Imagine one day, the bulk of Debian Developers > stop being interested in maintaining GNOME (or KDE, if you wish). The > packages begin to rot, become obsolete, uninstallable, etc. Then, a group > of non-developers who care abou

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Starting with "What is key for Debian" makes it sound like a policy > statement on behalf of Debian, and "Just fix the license" could then > be interpreted as a demand from Debian that Sun alter the license. In > that context, it seems reasonable to po

Bug#370592: RFH: tikiwiki -- groupware and content management system

2006-06-05 Thread marcus
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Dear developers, I am looking for co-maintainers for the tikiwiki package. This is a rather complex web application written in PHP, and I feel that I don't have enough time to maintain it on my own. The first packaged version (1.9.2) is currently in experimental. I

Re: debian/ search

2006-06-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > I just a thought search debian/ include package. > > I'd try the idea out, use gonzui. > > > > http://debian-src.devel.jp > > Nice idea. > > What exactly is included in the search? All source packages? All binary & > source packages? What's included in debian/ directory of source packag

Re: AT&T Korn Shell

2006-06-05 Thread Josh Hurst
On 2/28/06, Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Josh Hurst wrote: > On 2/20/06, Andrew Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 14:19 +0100, Josh Hurst wrote: >>> Does the Debian ksh93 package include libast and libshell? >> >> No - [snip] > Seems these libraries ar

Re: AT&T Korn Shell

2006-06-05 Thread Josh Hurst
On 2/18/06, Josh Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/13/05, Andrew Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 14:44 +0100, Andrew Porter wrote: > > AT&T have released the source to ksh93 under the CPL (Common Public > > Licence) > > > > Are there any plans to create a debian pack

Processed: happens because of sawfish

2006-06-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 368546 sawfish Bug#368546: general: remarkable slow-down of whole system after 4-6 hours Bug reassigned from package `general' to `sawfish'. > severity 368546 serious Bug#368546: general: remarkable slow-down of whole system after 4-6 hours Se

Re: jabref destiny

2006-06-05 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 05:33:14PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > The problem from my point of view is that it builds in my normal > > environment (with the Sun Java jre/jdk installed) but not in a > > pbuilder chroot (because the Sun Java packages require a "Yes, I > > agree with this licen

Re: Renaming a package

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 11:42:30PM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: > Daniel Kobras wrote: > > > Method B > > > > Package: oldpkg > > Depends: newpkg > > Files: > > /usr/share/doc/oldpkg -> /usr/share/doc/newpkg > > (and nothing else) > > Does not this hit another bug in dpkg ? > > I

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Jeremy Hankins [Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:31:19 -0400]: > My opinion, for what it's worth, is that most DD's, despite occasionally > having strong opinions on licensing ("*This* license is _free_, @#$^!") > are totally uninterested in taking the time to sort through the > nitpicking arguments about la

Bug#370546: ITP: kio-sysinfo -- kio slave displaying various system informations

2006-06-05 Thread Adrian Neumaier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adrian Neumaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: kio-sysinfo Version : 10.1 Upstream Author : Lukas Tinkl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/ * Li

Re: debian/ search

2006-06-05 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 05 June 2006 18:18, Eto Yasuo wrote: > hi > > I just a thought search debian/ include package. > I'd try the idea out, use gonzui. > > http://debian-src.devel.jp Nice idea. What exactly is included in the search? All source packages? All binary & source packages? Debian mailing list

Re: spam on debian-* lists

2006-06-05 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Tyler MacDonald [Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:17:38 -0700]: > Question: Is SpamAssassin or greylisting used on lists.debian.org? SpamAssassin is used, yes (you could know by the headers, btw). However, check the amount of mails from lists.debian.org that my local crm114 detected as spam: Jun 01: 6

Re: spam on debian-* lists

2006-06-05 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:17:38AM -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Question: Is SpamAssassin or greylisting used on lists.debian.org? Your e-mail should probably be directed to the listmasters. The answer is: Yes, SA and other techniques are used; a _lot_ of spam is blocked (many days, the volume

spam on debian-* lists

2006-06-05 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Question: Is SpamAssassin or greylisting used on lists.debian.org? Thanks, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

debian/ search

2006-06-05 Thread Eto Yasuo
hi I just a thought search debian/ include package. I'd try the idea out, use gonzui. http://debian-src.devel.jp It's beta level service. This system is updated and stopped occasionally without any prior notice. -- Yasuo Eto < yasuo at etou.org > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 juin 2006 à 12:54 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit : > Yes. Should 100 people appear now and say the same things again, and > again, and again? WE GOT IT. WE DO NOT NEED TO READ IT AGAIN. Apparently some people haven't received it, if they need to dismiss the argument based on the fact it h

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 07:44:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 06:13:27AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: > > As for the relevance of Sun position on Debian developers, there simply > > is none. > > The issue at question is whether Sun has given adequate permission for > Deb

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do not believe that it is feasible/useful/possible to clarify every single > statement whether stated by an official DD ... It is addressee job to check > that out if they are interested in. If the addressee is not capable to check > official db.deb

Bug#370485: ITP: libdata-random-perl -- Perl module to generate random data

2006-06-05 Thread gregor herrmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libdata-random-perl Version : 0.05 Upstream Author : Adekunle Olonoh, [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~adeo/Data-Random-0.05/Random.pm * License : Same a

Re: NMU procedure and /usr/bin/nmudiff defaults

2006-06-05 Thread Adeodato Simó
* martin f krafft [Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:58:47 +0200]: > exactly. Ideally, write a bug before you start preparing the NMU, > and then try to fix it before the bug confirmation gets in. :) The real kick is to put dak and the BTS to compete. You `nmudiff`, and right afterwards you `dput`. Then you ma

Re: NMU procedure and /usr/bin/nmudiff defaults

2006-06-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.05.1446 +0200]: > So, if the NMU is linked to a bug, use it, else create a fresh bug. exactly. Ideally, write a bug before you start preparing the NMU, and then try to fix it before the bug confirmation gets in. :) -- Please do not send cop

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jeremy Hankins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure I understand this part, though. Do you think that folks > like myself, who are not DD's, should not participate in the discussions > on d-l? Do you think that those of us who are not DD's should put a > disclaimer (IANADD) on every message

Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Disclaimer: I am not a DD, nor in the n-m queue. I'm also re-crossposting to debian-devel, because I don't think this discussion could usefully be had on debian-legal -- and it's not a licensing issue anyway. Anthony Towns writes: > I don't believe that saying someone isn't a developer is conte

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 07:43:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > To a degree, yes. In this particular case, ftpmaster are the maintainers > of the archive, and their statements on what's suitable for the archive > are authoritative by definition -- that's precisely what their area of > authority is

Re: NMU procedure and /usr/bin/nmudiff defaults

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 01:11:15AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.05.0036 +0200]: > > I don't think there is much harm in opening a new NMU bug. > > Isn't an NMU by definition bound to an existing bug? Or at least > should be? So then I'd sa

Bug#370469: ITP: msntp -- a very simple and portable SNTP client for UNIX

2006-06-05 Thread Matthieu Vogelweith
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthieu Vogelweith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: msntp Version : 1.6 Upstream Author : University of Cambridge, N.M. Maclaren * URL : http://www.hpcf.cam.ac.uk/export/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Descri

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrew Donnellan [Mon, Jun 05 2006, 07:13:29AM]: > >No. The conclusion is that sane Debian developers do recognize the > >problem and prepare an effective solution for it in silence. In > >the meantime wanna-be developers are allowed to troll on debian-devel > >list. They should just n

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:13:16PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:57:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > position. Debian's position, as consistently expressed by ftpmaster, > > on this list, and in the press, is that the license is acceptable for > > non-free, and that

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 06:13:27AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: > As for the relevance of Sun position on Debian developers, there simply > is none. The issue at question is whether Sun has given adequate permission for Debian to include java in non-free -- Sun's position on that isn't just releva

Re: gcc 4.1 or not

2006-06-05 Thread Matthias Klose
Steve Langasek writes: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:17:30PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > I found one serious bug in 4.1.1 though (#370308) which needs to be > > fixed before 4.1 can be the default (since it produces a bogus error > > on some Perl headers which get included by many packages).

Re: gcc 4.1 or not

2006-06-05 Thread Matthias Klose
Martin Michlmayr writes: > * Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-04 21:01]: > > As we are below the 20 packages count if bug #366820 is correct (and > > Martin just confirmed the number), it is ok to do the switch now. > > Martin, can you please also mark these bugs as serious now (as > > th

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Brett Parker
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 11:02:59PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 04:52:22PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > - something it already had (admins who really wanted Sun's Java could > > > always go to java.sun.com and install it themselves or use java-pack

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By whom? A bunch of people with too much time on their hands. Is there an actual lawyer involved? I don't think so. This is a crazy stupid argument. By this argument, Debian should distribute absolutely anything, no matter what the license, unless a lawyer gets involv

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-05 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 6/4/06, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 04 June 2006 02:23, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns wrote: > > For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't > > maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't > > even

Re: Testing security archive move

2006-06-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anthony DeRobertis wrote: >> Errr... apt-get says: >> >> Failed to fetch >> http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release Unable to >> find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file >> (malformed Release file?) >> >>

Re: NMU procedure and /usr/bin/nmudiff defaults

2006-06-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato "=?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all, > > for those who don't know, nmudiff is a small script by Steinar H. > Gunderson that, when invoked in the source tree of a NMU, will create a > diff with respect the previous version, and send it to the BTS. I've > found it qu