Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Miles Bader
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Consequently, when you apt-get remove the software, you don't get an orphan data package. ... though perhaps aptitude's method of doing this is cleaner (automatically removing unneeded packages). -Miles -- .Numeric stability is probably not all that

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Michal Čihař
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:54:15 +0200 Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I both cases, the circular dependency would be useful to avoid installing the common data without the software. Consequently, when you apt-get remove the software, you don't get an orphan data package. You can then apply

ITA: lcdproc

2006-07-25 Thread José Luis Tallón
Hi all, In agreement with the current maintainer, Jonathan Oxer, I will take over maintainership of lcdproc. As per his wishes, he will continue to be co-maintainer (uploader) for the time being. This is mostly to let ftpmasters know that he has indeed agreed to these terms so that the

Re: Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.25.0324 +0100]: I have written a script that I think would be useful in Debian. It seems excessive to make a package for for it, but a quick google for 'debian scripts' didn't turn up any convenient websites or repositories, so I thought

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-25 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno lun, 24/07/2006 alle 23.22 +0200, Jan C. Nordholz ha scritto: unison: Conflicts on unison ( 2.9.1-3) I guess this is meant to prevent older versions of unison and unison2.9.1 (which Provides: unison) from being installed together (the same holds for unison-gtk). If

Re: Bug#379673: ITP: pybridge-common -- A free online bridge game. (common files)

2006-07-25 Thread David Watson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 06:46, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Hi David, David Watson wrote: * Package name: pybridge-common are you planning to ship three different *source* packages? If so, why? (ITPs are filed per source package, but on a first glance, a single source package with multiple

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Henning Glawe
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 05:12:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Clearly, dpkg authors have read all of policy, including the caveats about circular dependencies. This is particularly amusing given that that

Re: Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-25 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:31:56AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.25.0324 +0100]: I have written a script that I think would be useful in Debian. It seems excessive to make a package for for it, but a quick google for 'debian scripts'

how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Bastian Venthur
Hi DDs, I recently stumbled upon a bug (#379561) in wordpress. Wordpress depends on a mysql-server installed in order to run, but the Debian package wordpress does not. I filled a bugreport and the answer was that some users might want to connect wordpress to a remote mysql-server so the local

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 05:15:19PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: You persist in using the word `fix'. But that's not correct. There is NOTHING WRONG with circular dependencies per se. Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be problematic. I would try to avoid it other

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi all On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:12:24 +0200 Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since wordpress is not the only package depending on mysql-server, I'd like to ask how other developers dealt with this problem? My proposal to satisfy both use-cases was, to provide two versions of

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 10:12]: I recently stumbled upon a bug (#379561) in wordpress. Wordpress depends on a mysql-server installed in order to run, but the Debian package wordpress does not. I filled a bugreport and the answer was that some users might want to

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:21:03AM +0200, Michal ??iha?? wrote: My proposal to satisfy both use-cases was, to provide two versions of wordpress: (1) wordpress -- depends on mysql-server (2) wordpress-remotesql -- does not How about: Depends: mysql-remote-server | mysql-server

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 10:12 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: I recently stumbled upon a bug (#379561) in wordpress. Wordpress depends on a mysql-server installed in order to run, but the Debian package wordpress does not. I filled a bugreport and the answer was that some users might want to

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This would only fix problems in experimental, lilypond is currently not releasable, so imaginating that the Python switch would not happen, we would end up without lilypond. In my opinion, the current lilypond in Debian is not suitable for release,

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Frank Küster
Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:12:24 +0200 Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since wordpress is not the only package depending on mysql-server, I'd like to ask how other developers dealt with this problem? My proposal to satisfy both use-cases

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Dominique Dumont
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Greenland wrote: Sure, it allows some one to install foo-data without the program that uses it? So what? It's unlikely to happen by accident, and annoying to those doing it intentionally. (Just like those foo-docs that depend on foo, although they

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Michal Čihař
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:49:06 +0100 Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about: Depends: mysql-remote-server | mysql-server Then create a dummy mysql-remote-server package which (possibly conflicts with mysql-server) could be used to satisfy dependencies only? If you want

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Michal Politowski
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:18:36 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote: [...] May be a better solution would be to flag foo-data as useless alone. (I would love to be able to hide from aptitude all these useless alone packages so I could sift faster in the package list). !~Gappropriate-tag-here The

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive packages... foo-data can often be arch: all, saving mirror space. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:56:26 -0700 Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: In my opinion, the current lilypond in Debian is not suitable for release, even with the existing problems solved. It would not be appropriate to release such an old version in etch, and if nothing happens

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Henning Glawe writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Well, the problem with circular deps is not caused by dpkg but by the way apt calls it: Ahh. Well, perhaps apt should be fixed, as you say. Personally I (still!) don't use it on my own systems. Ian. -- To

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:39:24AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 06:32:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally, be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused. Rather,

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread David Weinehall
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:34:47PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:39:24AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 06:32:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally,

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Loïc Minier writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): I fail to see how the circular depends between tasksel and tasksel-data would cause any bug though. I agree it's best to fix circular deps in general, but it's not necessarily

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Fabio Tranchitella [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.07.24.2204 +0100]: I've noticed that some packages conflict or depend on themself. As far as I know, this makes no sense and the dependency (of conflict) should be removed, but I prefer to ask

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that libapt does NOT correctly handle dependency loops and can split them between dpkg calls causing install failures. The more circular depends there are the more likely such a failure becomes. So wouldn't it be a good thing to remove

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Izak Burger
On 7/25/06, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An alternative would be to have a pseudo-package (or however we name it) mysql-server-remote that a local admin installs to tell dpkg that it should never install a local server. I'm not sure this is a typical use case, but the principle might

Re: svn package maintenance

2006-07-25 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 01:06:28PM +0200, Marcus Better wrote: Hello, I've recently started to use svn for package maintenance, both in order to enable team maintenance and because it's a great way to keep track of the code. Previously I used dpatch or quilt for the Debian changes.

Re: svn package maintenance

2006-07-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:18:27AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I replicate the advantages of quilt by keeping quilt patches in Subversion. This allows me to use svn-inject -o, which doesn't put the upstream sources in version control at all - just the Debian directory. I like this

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-07-25 Thread Pedro Macanas
- Original Message - From: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: live@lists.debian-unofficial.org; debian-edu@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Package Selection for Debian Live This means that there can be quite a few

Re: svn package maintenance

2006-07-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto C. Sanchez) writes: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:18:27AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I replicate the advantages of quilt by keeping quilt patches in Subversion. This allows me to use svn-inject -o, which doesn't put the upstream sources in version control at

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Bastian Venthur
Martin Wuertele wrote: What is the preferred solution for this kind of problem? Wordpress already suggests virtual-mysql-server which is imo sufficient. There might be arguments to raise this to recommends however I don't see the need for 2 packages. It might make sense to mention the mysql

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Otavio Salvador [Mon, Jul 24 2006, 09:26:58PM]: IMO it is much easier to find functionality like this if it is already present on the system than if you have to search for it. And it seems to me basic enough that it warrants inclusion in base, especially as

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Jul-06, 17:18 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: Sure, it allows some one to install foo-data without the program that uses it? So what? It's unlikely to happen by accident, and annoying to those doing it intentionally. (Just like those foo-docs that

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 17:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be problematic. I would try to avoid it other than in closely coupled sets of packages, and it is best of one of the packages in the cycle is per data without a

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 25-Jul-06, 07:10 (CDT), Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be a better thing to fix the bug and have deterministic software? Dpkg isn't deterministic in the general case. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Jul-06, 17:32 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally, be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused. Rather, I'd characterise it as a feature that is necessary for any

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 18:18 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : I don't buy the often-made argument that foo-data packages are generally useful to install just to look at the beautiful data. It doesn't fly; if you want to look at the data, use apt-get source. The exact same argument could be used

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 23 juillet 2006 à 10:55 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : Furthermore, there is no real justification for the circular dependency in debconf. Why don't you just fix it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This doesn't answer the question. Let me rephrase it another way. If someone

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 12:03:03PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Henning Glawe writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Well, the problem with circular deps is not caused by dpkg but by the way apt calls it: Ahh. Well, perhaps apt should be fixed, as you say. Personally I

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 25-Jul-06, 10:14 (CDT), Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Wuertele wrote: But how can a user mark the sql-server as installed-to-satisfy-dependency? I mean when I remove wordpress (or some similar package) mysql-server won't be removed until I do it manually. Wasn't the

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-25 Thread Andreas Metzler
Fabio Tranchitella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] exim4-config: Conflicts on exim4-config ( ) This is both a virtual and a real package. (There is just one packags in Debian providing it.) cu andreas -- The 'Galactic Cleaning' policy undertaken by Emperor Zhark is a personal vision of the

New Naming Convention

2006-07-25 Thread Jeremy Herndon
Title: New Naming Convention I currently do not subscribe to the mailing lists. So I don't know if this has been considered. I want to offer a suggestion for a new distro naming convention. I have enjoyed the Toy Story names. But perhaps it has run it's course. We have used 10 toy stoy

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Otavio Salvador [Mon, Jul 24 2006, 09:26:58PM]: IMO it is much easier to find functionality like this if it is already present on the system than if you have to search for it. And it seems to me basic enough that it warrants

Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: | *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60. | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer Before I file bugs on these packages, I wanted to check whether this is a known problem and/or whether the

Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
A number of applications currently fail to build with something like: | sparc-linux-gnu-gcc -g -O2 -o .libs/ots ots.o ../src/.libs/libots-1.so /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/lib/libxml2.so -ldl -lz -lm /usr/lib/libpopt.so | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz In bug #378494, filed on one of these

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Ben Pfaff
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: | *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60. | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer Before I file bugs on these packages, I wanted to check

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:56:26AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This would only fix problems in experimental, lilypond is currently not releasable, so imaginating that the Python switch would not happen, we would end up without lilypond. In

Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:45:53PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: A number of applications currently fail to build with something like: | sparc-linux-gnu-gcc -g -O2 -o .libs/ots ots.o ../src/.libs/libots-1.so /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/lib/libxml2.so -ldl -lz -lm /usr/lib/libpopt.so |

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:16:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:45:53PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: A number of applications currently fail to build with something like: | sparc-linux-gnu-gcc -g -O2 -o .libs/ots ots.o ../src/.libs/libots-1.so

Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 11:16]: One grave bug on libxml2, please. The common case of linking against libxml2 using libtool is now broken, for no discernable reason. This is irresponsible library maintenance; it shouldn't be left to the maintainers of all the *other*

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:27:58PM +0200, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:16:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:45:53PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: A number of applications currently fail to build with something

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: If I'd follow your reasoning, we shouldn't be able to pull by APT a library package libfoo2 without pulling some package using it. The clear difference between a library package and some random collection of data is that (most) C libraries have an API and are designed to

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 23 juillet 2006 à 10:55 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : Furthermore, there is no real justification for the circular dependency in debconf. Why don't you just fix it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This doesn't answer the question. Let me

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
(Dropped debian-qt-kde, added pkg-kde-talk.) * Martin Michlmayr [Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:40:40 +0200]: Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: | *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60. | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:27:58PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:16:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:45:53PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: A number of applications currently fail to build with something like: |

Re: New Naming Convention

2006-07-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Jeremy Herndon [Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:22:44 -0700]: forgetful dory or undiciplined darla. Yes! Adjectives! Forgetful Dory 8.07! -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 20:39]: Executive summary: please do file bugs Okay, doing now. Thanks. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:44:54AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:27:58PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:16:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:45:53PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Adeodato Simó [Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:39:57 +0200]: (Dropped debian-qt-kde, added pkg-kde-talk.) Cc: Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fixed this by bouncing. Also, p-k-t is lists.alioth.d.o, not lists.d.o.) -- Adeodato Simó

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Osamu Aoki writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Just curious ... dselect with dpkg-ftp ? Yes. It does need some handholding and the need to dpkg -iGROEB its download area repeatedly is annoying but it's very reliable in the sense that (if you are happy to drive dselect)

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5): Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 à 17:15 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be problematic. I would try to avoid it other than in closely coupled sets of packages,

Re: New Naming Convention

2006-07-25 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 19:22, Jeremy Herndon wrote: We have used 10 toy stoy names over a period of 10 years. That is a good round number and would be a logical place to start anew. Logical? Hmm, well, as far as I know logic has something to do with causes and effects, which I can't see

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 25, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main rationale is that its init script offers offers a fairly clean and obvious way for users to set values in /sys at boot time. (Without the need for them to hack a local init script.) echo looks clean and obvious to me as well, and does not

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 25, Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that we already have equivalent functionality for /proc values so makes sense to have it in too. No, wishing a feature-complete set of configuration file for aestethical reasons is not enough to move more stuff to base. -- ciao,

raptor.debian.org down

2006-07-25 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks raptor.debian.org, the s390 developer machine, is down. The data center which hosts them have major problems with the air conditioning system. As the whole zSeries is down, this affects any host within the domain zseries.org. Bastian -- We have the right to survive!

Re: [xml/sgml-pkgs] Re: Build failure: cannot find -lz

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:50:48PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: So yes, please re-add the dependency on libxml2-dev for the time being. We're still not so much in a rush. Yes, we *are*. The RC bug count for etch is currently moving in the wrong direction, and having dozens of FTBFS bugs added

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 21:16, Marco d'Itri wrote: echo looks clean and obvious to me as well, and does not require 180 KB of new packages. Why do you choose to completely ignore the option (that was mentioned at least twice) to move the init script part to a separate or existing base

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 25, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you choose to completely ignore the option (that was mentioned at least twice) to move the init script part to a separate or existing base package? That would make the addition to base only a few KB. *If* this really added only a few KB

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Ben Pfaff said: Does KDE use something other than autoconf --version to check the Autoconf version? AUTOCONF_VERSION=`$AUTOCONF --version | head -n 1` case $AUTOCONF_VERSION in Autoconf*2.5* | autoconf*2.5* ) : ;; Maybe not so forward compatible. --

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Martin Michlmayr said: Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: [...] kst_1.2.1-1 This is fixed in -2. Thanks, -- - | ,''`.

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 19:53]: Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: [...] kst_1.2.1-1 This is fixed in -2. Yes, the following packages have newer versions that fixed the bug. I checked this before filing

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Daniel Schepler
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 13:40 pm, Martin Michlmayr wrote: Half of KDE and a number of other applications currently fail to build with a message similar to: | *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60. | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer Before I file bugs on these packages, I

Re: Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-25 Thread Joe Smith
Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I intend to do an update-menu thing that calls 'fburn --gui', which makes for a somewhat friendly interface from a window manager menu or icon. Also it doesn't just blast out the image and hope it's okay; unless

Re: Build failure with autoconf 2.60: requires autoconf 2.53 or newer

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 20:39]: If you could usertag the bugs them, that'd be nice (e.g. tag autoconf260-ftbfs, user [EMAIL PROTECTED]). http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=autoconf260-ftbfs;[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ --

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Aurélien GÉRÔME
Hi, On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:56:26AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: In my opinion, the current lilypond in Debian is not suitable for release, even with the existing problems solved. It would not be appropriate to release such an old version in etch, and if nothing happens with python

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Otavio Salvador [Tue, Jul 25 2006, 02:23:16PM]: Well then we might work reducing the code size but at least am I talking about functionality and that's important in my POV. Important for whom exactly? I do not have this package installed here and I never missed it. Now I

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you told the maintainers of alml and songwrite (reverse-depends of lilypond) about this? It wouldn't be fair to them to find out at the last minute before the etch release that their packages won't be releasable because lilypond wasn't ready,

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I would also like to see python-defaults upgraded to python2.4, and can't see a reason for much more delay. Don't bother asking; they don't answer questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Aurélien GÉRÔME [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is utterly unacceptable. What do you do of the reverse-dependencies? If you are not capable of dealing with a package that you are supposed to maintain, you should O: it or RFA: it, instead of cornering users. That is irresponsible as a Debian

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Jul 25, Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that we already have equivalent functionality for /proc values so makes sense to have it in too. No, wishing a feature-complete set of configuration file for aestethical reasons is not

Bug#379857: ITP: git-completion -- content addressable filesystem (bash completion)

2006-07-25 Thread Sebastian Harl
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian Harl [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: git-completion Version : 0+20060722 Upstream Author : Ben Clifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/tech/gitcompletion/ * License : GPL Description

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Ter, 2006-07-25 às 02:04 +0200, Frans Pop escreveu: My main rationale is that its init script offers offers a fairly clean and obvious way for users to set values in /sys at boot time. (Without the need for them to hack a local init script.) It's far away from actually being installed by

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-25 14:52]: Of course it's a miserable course of events if it happens. But are you seriously saying that you think lilypond 2.6.3 is suitable for the release, even with the existing RC bugs fixed? I thought you were in agreement that releasing

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could just add an explicit dependency on python2.4 and do a s/python/python2.4/ over lilypond. So, will the python change happen? Maybe instead of beating me up for not knowing what is the best use of my time, the python team could be encouraged

Bug#379864: ITP: openhpi -- Open hardware platform interface

2006-07-25 Thread Bryan Sutula
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bryan Sutula [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: openhpi Version : 2.5.2 Upstream Author : Tariq Shureih et. al. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://openhpi.sourceforge.net/ * License : other (enclosed below) Programming

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mer 26 juillet 2006 01:22, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit : Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could just add an explicit dependency on python2.4 and do a s/python/python2.4/ over lilypond. So, will the python change happen? Maybe instead of beating me up for not knowing what

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: your mails are a marvelous proof of bad faith. if you want to enforce your package to use python2.4 for some (apparently borken — but I didn't bothered to check) reason, you just need (either through debian/pyversions + pysupport or

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mer 26 juillet 2006 01:53, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit : Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: your mails are a marvelous proof of bad faith. if you want to enforce your package to use python2.4 for some (apparently borken — but I didn't bothered to check) reason, you just need

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it has been said numerous time, that you just need to sed the shebang of those scripts, such modifications are often used in python packaging, and is easy to do. Right, the question is whether this is a long-term change or a short-term change?

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 25, Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, wishing a feature-complete set of configuration file for aestethical reasons is not enough to move more stuff to base. So let's remove setctl from base. There is no such package. But if you think that some of the packages currently in

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:53:47 -0700 Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: As I have said multiple times, lilypond now requires python 2.4 to work correctly. You're telling me that if I use debian/pyversions and the rest of that, whatever it is, then lilypond scripts and user code

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're telling me that if I use debian/pyversions and the rest of that, whatever it is, then lilypond scripts and user code which depends on python 2.4 will automagically get it even though it uses #! on ordinary python? This sounds like it's

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Fabio Tranchitella [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Il giorno lun, 24/07/2006 alle 23.22 +0100, martin f krafft ha scritto: An upgrade is the same as removing the old and installing the new package, so other than maintainer script invocations (which will differ if the old package was removed because

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you understand. A workaround costs me lots of time to get in place. I'm perfectly clear about how to go about installing a workaround. The question is, is the work worth it? Running sed costs you lots of time? Come on. I can

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Running sed costs you lots of time? Come on. I can understand your irritation at the lack of information about how the python transition is going, but it really shouldn't take you any length of time at all to change things to reference 2.4

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Matthew Garrett [Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:14:51 +0100]: Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you understand. A workaround costs me lots of time to get in place. I'm perfectly clear about how to go about installing a workaround. The question is, is the work worth it?

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - From http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/07/msg00684.html: But I don't alas, have the time to spend on a workaround patch myself, which will (supposedly) become obselete very quickly. The sad conclusion that, with this sentence

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Miles Bader
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am completely serious: all of the mails quoted below stress me profoundly Have you tried decaf...? -Miles -- We have met the enemy, and he is us. -- Pogo

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