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Re: VMware packaging

2006-08-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, [UTF-8] Linas Žvirblis wrote: maybe not with a so nice UI than vmware, but that is definitely writeable IMHO. That is being worked on as I type this. OT, but does anybody know whether I can operate on VMs in VMware without this fancy UI? I just want to turn on two VMs

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Thomas Bushnell: As a countermeasure, the FSF tries to extend copyright to interfaces, so that you do create a derivative work merely by programming to a specific interface of a library written by someone else, without copying their code. I'm not sure if this is such a bright idea.

Re: WTF ? (Fwd: Your message to Yaird-devel awaits moderator approval)

2006-08-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Huggins: On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 02:10:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: maintainer addresses HAVE to accept bug reports and mails from non-subscribers. This setting is not correct, please fix it asap. If messages do indeed get through to the list why is this a problem? You can't

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread Marco Bertorello
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:08:19 +0200 Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 06:35:42PM +0200, Marco Bertorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Marco Bertorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: furl Version : 2.1

Re: Status of inetd for etch

2006-08-14 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Matthew R. Dempsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 10:21:50AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: We don't allow multiple mtas because a mail-transport-agent is *required* to provide /usr/sbin/sendmail. Why can Debian's alternatives system not alleviate this conflict? It could be

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 07:56:09PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: OK, I see I have to dot the i's and cross the t's for this case here. So, here is the scenario: package python-foo packages a public pure python module. Package bar imports the module foo. Package baz is a package

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:13 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 07:56:09PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: OK, I see I have to dot the i's and cross the t's for this case here. So, here is the scenario: package python-foo packages a public pure python

Re: search.debian.org

2006-08-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: Assuming there's a box available that can handle it, HyperEstraier is pretty easy to set up and configure to do this sort of thing... According to what I've heard, it tries to fit the whole database into memory during index

Re: VMware packaging

2006-08-14 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1155469573 past the epoch, martin f krafft wrote: Why don't those that want to work with QEMU do that, and those who want to work with VMware worry about its packaging? I can't believe we're having this discussion anyway. It would make sense for each team to keep an eye on what each

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 8/14/06, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to some extent, the FSF must claim that it's not possible to escape the GPL with a second implementation (so that programs linking to readline must still be GPLed, even though you could use libedit as a mostly-transparent replacement, for

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1155544521 past the epoch, Marco Bertorello wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:08:19 +0200 Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a real benefit over lynx -dump -head and similar things ? It' s more little and easy to use... a little utility. I must specify this in description,

Re: Status of inetd for etch

2006-08-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 12:46:44AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: netbase: critical network configuration. It has some ancient cruft like /etc/services (which does more ill than good), but /etc/init.d/networking is not something one wants to skip. Why do you

Re: Proposal: searchable d.o/security/

2006-08-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi, today I searched for a specific DSA and its really pain if you just know the package but no DSA number (correct me if I missed something). What kind of search are you trying to do? Package to DSA? Bug to DSA? If so, it would

Re: Is inability to operate with root read-only (and separate /etc, /dev, etc) a bug or design decision?

2006-08-14 Thread Philipp Matthias Hahn
Hi! On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 09:34:52PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Goswin von Brederlow] Instead move the things in etc that need writing to other places: 1) link /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and create a dummy /proc/mounts on / for

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 08:29:13PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: The second feature is quite cool; update-notifier uses hal to detect that a new CD/DVD was inserted and tries to figure out whether that is a Ubuntu CD; I patched the program to also look for Debian CDs, and to avoid

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 09:03:52PM -0500, John Goerzen a écrit : Say you were a seasoned Solaris admin, and you installed Debian to play around with. You get a prompt saying that you have to reboot because zlib or something has been upgraded. Are you going to think this is a serious

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco Bertorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.14.0735 +0100]: It' s more little and easy to use... a little utility. I must specify this in description, sorry. $ ls -alh /usr/bin/furl -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8,6K 2006-08-11 10:18 /usr/bin/furl $ls -alh /usr/bin/lynx.stable

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 14, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is libwww-perl. I don't object to furl, but so far I am not convinced. I object, since so far it looks like a worthless waste of disk space. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:58:53 +0900 Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Maybe a way to solve the problem would be to make clear in the package name, documentation and popup messages that it is not a native Debian tool? For instance, it could be called Ubuntu update notifier for Debian.

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:31:29 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: ... twice the size, but it can do a whole lot more. And it has the added benefit that it can actually fire off GET/HEAD/POST/whatever requests. This is libwww-perl. I don't object to furl, but so far I am not

Re: Bug#382531: ITP: furl -- a small utility for displaying the HTTP headers returned by Web servers

2006-08-14 Thread Igor Stroh
Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:31:29 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: ... twice the size, but it can do a whole lot more. And it has the added benefit that it can actually fire off GET/HEAD/POST/whatever requests. This is libwww-perl. I don't object

Re: Debian Installer etch beta 3 released

2006-08-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --enig40699EE2A035BC4485AA339B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joey Hess wrote: Sven Mueller wrote: My reason for this: I

Re: Proposal: searchable d.o/security/

2006-08-14 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Javier, * Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-14 13:48]: On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi, today I searched for a specific DSA and its really pain if you just know the package but no DSA number (correct me if I missed

Re: Debian Installer etch beta 3 released

2006-08-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
I wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --enig40699EE2A035BC4485AA339B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joey Hess wrote: Sven Mueller wrote: My reason for

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPL (section 3) does restrict distributions of binaries (object code or executable form, to use the words of the GPL, to be more accurate, since the GPL only uses the term binary once, and only to refer to a completely different issue) and states that

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 08:29:13PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: The second feature is quite cool; update-notifier uses hal to detect that a new CD/DVD was inserted and tries to figure out whether that is a Ubuntu CD; I patched the program to also look for Debian CDs, and to avoid

Re: VMware packaging

2006-08-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 01:59:57AM +0100, Peter Collingbourne wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 02:25:59AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Le dim 13 août 2006 02:06, Peter Collingbourne a écrit : Dear all, I found there were no VMware-related packages in the official repository, nor any

Re: Bug#382796: ITP: python-alsaaudio -- Alsa bindings for Python

2006-08-14 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 07:25:07PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.14.1917 +0100]: does that imply that an ITP is not checked against the current available packages? Should there be a check? [..] The ITP should have been filed a day or so

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #include hallo.h * Joerg Schilling [Sun, Aug 13 2006, 12:28:15PM]: The original sources do not have such bugs and many Debian users that Most of that is true if and only if the users follow your recommendations and strictly use kernel 2.4.x, ide-scsi

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you really believe that you are able to deflect from the main problem: The original sources do not have such bugs and many Debian users that did write bug reports against the Debian version of cdrtools did already switch to a self

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I have some more thoughts to offer on the example Steve presented: in essence, he is talking about a package that has become incompatible with the version that was in stable. On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:13 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Sam Morris
- With Linux 2.6.x, it is impossible to run cdrecord without root privs. Do not believe single persons who claim otherwise as Linux-2.6.x filters away random SCSI commands when cdrecord does not have root-privs and as cdrecord heavily depends on

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Brett Parker
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 04:09:33PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you really believe that you are able to deflect from the main problem: The original sources do not have such bugs and many Debian users that did write bug reports

Bug#352653: RFP: libmail-domainkeys-perl -- Perl DomainKeys implementation

2006-08-14 Thread gregor herrmann
Anything new regarding libmail-domainkeys-perl? I'd really like to see this module in Debian. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. http://info.comodo.priv.at/ | gpg key ID: 0x00F3CFE4 : :' : debian: the universal operating system - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' member of https://www.vibe.at/ | how

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Brett Parker
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 10:57:45PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should look at the video I pointed you at. You just accused me of being a liar. If i would have your low level I would now do the same you I did look at this video: it verifies what

Bug#382994: ITP: rebase -- The restriction enzyme database, from New England Biolabs

2006-08-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package name: rebase Version : NA Upstream Author : Dr. Richard J. Roberts and Dana Macelis (http://rebase.neb.com/rebase/rebase.staff.html) URL : http://rebase.neb.com License :

Re: VMware packaging

2006-08-14 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Sunday 13 August 2006 09:18, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: * using snapshots and clones based off them are quite useful Lvm snapshots work just fine. You've obviously never run VMware if you think that an LVM snapshot is a replacement for a VMWare snapshot. It leaves me suspicious that

Bug#382995: ITP: nekohtml -- HTML parser for Java

2006-08-14 Thread marcus
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: nekohtml Version : 0.9.5 Upstream Author : Andy Clark * URL or Web page : http://people.apache.org/~andyc/neko/doc/html/ * License : CyberNeko Software License, Version 1.0 Description : HTML parser for Java This is

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while there's this nice cmake? I've never used cmake myself, so I can't speak for how nice it is, but autotools (for all its problems) is

interface copyrights, was: Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Toni Mueller
Hello, On Sat, 12.08.2006 at 20:40:37 +0200, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a countermeasure, the FSF tries to extend copyright to interfaces, so that you do create a derivative work merely by programming to a specific interface of a library written by someone else, without

Re: Bug#382796: ITP: python-alsaaudio -- Alsa bindings for Python

2006-08-14 Thread Paul Brossier
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 03:02:22PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Paul Brossier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.13.1418 +0100]: * Package name: python-alsaaudio Sweet. An ITP for a package already in unstable... moo :P at that time, the package was not listed in bugs.d.o, and not

Re: Debian Installer etch beta 3 released

2006-08-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 14 August 2006 14:43, Steve McIntyre wrote: The DVD torrents are already produced, just not linked from the page at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. Check out I've committed a change to the d-i page that adds all missing links (there were a few others that were

Re: Debian Installer etch beta 3 released

2006-08-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Frans Pop writes: On Monday 14 August 2006 14:43, Steve McIntyre wrote: The DVD torrents are already produced, just not linked from the page at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. Check out I've committed a change to the d-i page that adds all missing links (there were a few others

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:36:29 -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hate following up my own message. This is a biased recap of a discussion Steve ands I had on IRC, and ou should wait his response before taking my version of the discussion without a grain of salt. On

debug packages

2006-08-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi just a little reminder - if you add a debug package to your package in the archive then always have its priority at extra, not optional. Reason: optional is defined as This is all the software that you might reasonably want to install if you didn't know what it was and don't have specialized

Re: Proposal: searchable d.o/security/

2006-08-14 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: today I searched for a specific DSA and its really pain if=20 you just know the package but no DSA number (correct me if I missed=20 something). What kind of search are you trying to do? Package to DSA? Bug to DSA? If so, it would not be difficult to

Re: Stuff the installer does which isn't done on upgrade....

2006-08-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:02:34PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: For dir_index you have to take the FS offline, tune2fs and fsck it or you totaly corrupt it. Actually, that's not true. It's perfectly safe to run tune2fs on a mounted volume to enable the dir_index feature. All directories

Re: Stuff the installer does which isn't done on upgrade....

2006-08-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: I don't know about the installer, but all filesystems I created with mke2fs recently also have resize_inode, which isn't even in the tune2fs manpage. It's not in the tune2fs man page because e2fsprogs doesn't currently support adding

Re: Use of generic init script names [WAS Re: Status of inetd for etch]

2006-08-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:24:11 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, the cyrus init script is called /etc/init.d/cyrus21, the courier init script is /etc/init.d/courier-imap and the dovecot init script is /etc/init.d/dovecot. It would seem to me that if these packages are

Re: VMware packaging

2006-08-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:06:59 +0100, Peter Collingbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found there were no VMware-related packages in the official repository, nor any way of creating them. Thus I propose to create a tool that will build (for example for VMware Server) vmware-server and

Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen
Hi list, I have some questions I hope some of you have an answer for. I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools but only has a plain Makefile. 1) Can I use dh_make? 2) Does Debian policy have something to say about it? 3) Would it be ok if I converted it to use

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen
Hi again, Sorry, I forgot the must obvious question. 5) Would there be any interest in the community for be doing it? This question should have been numbered 1 since it is clearly a show-stopper:-) -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael at rasmussen dot cc

Re: Status of inetd for etch

2006-08-14 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 08:50:44AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: * The system mta should provide /usr/sbin/sendmail, as well as mailq, runq, and man pages. The alternative system is able to link several alternatives. Right, so three should be no problems there? * The service mta

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Riku Voipio
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 04:09:33PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: This is of course a lie.or why don't you like to prove it: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html Come back to reallity, the k3b maintainers did already give up with Debian versions of cdrtools and use

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Carlos C Soto
Michael Rasmussen wrote: Hi list, I have some questions I hope some of you have an answer for. I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools but only has a plain Makefile. 1) Can I use dh_make? I don't think so, I hardly use debhelper but I think dh_make is used when

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while there's this nice cmake? I've never used cmake myself, so I can't

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:58:13AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while there's this nice cmake? I've never used cmake myself, so I can't

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 14 August 2006 21:50 schrieb Michael Rasmussen: I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools [...] 3) Would it be ok if I converted it to use autotools my self? Do you plan to support other system than linux in a fork? If no, there is absolutely no gain in

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Sam Morris
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:50:51 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools but only has a plain Makefile. 1) Can I use dh_make? Sure, just customise the rules file it generates to not call a configure script. The rules file can really

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Poole
Wouter Verhelst writes: On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:58:13AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while there's this nice cmake? I've never

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On 2006-08-14 22:33:49, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Do you plan to support other system than linux in a fork? If no, there is Well, the software is already prepared to support *BSD, Solaris and Linux, but I only intent to support Linux - the only thing I use on a day to day basis. absolutely

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On 2006-08-14 22:55:41, Sam Morris wrote: Sure, just customise the rules file it generates to not call a configure script. The rules file can really contain anything you want, as long as it builds a decent package when called. :) Nice, I have been accustomed to use dh_make and the various

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:52:01PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:58:13AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Aug-06, 15:59 (CDT), Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouter Verhelst writes: In the case of autotools, the fact is that usually it's configure.ac or Makefile.am being horribly broken, rather than the autotools. In my experience, this is greatly exacerbated and perhaps even

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Bernd Schubert
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:58:13AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always the autotools while there's this nice cmake? I've never used

only declare Provides when

2006-08-14 Thread Bruce Sass
On Mon August 14 2006 00:03, Steve Langasek wrote: ... my premise that pure python modules should only declare Provides when something exists in the archive which actually *needs* them... What of stuff which will never be in the archive? [ask for it is an obvious answer, so...] Any thoughts

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The *real* problem with the whole autotools disaster is that it promotes a braindead idea of how to achieve portability: a #ifdef branch for every different system (or library version, or whatever), strewn throughout the entire codebase. Real

autotools and programming style (was: Remove cdrtools)

2006-08-14 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 14 August 2006 23:27 schrieb Steve Greenland: On 14-Aug-06, 15:59 (CDT), Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouter Verhelst writes: In the case of autotools, the fact is that usually it's configure.ac or Makefile.am being horribly broken, rather than the autotools. In my

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 14 August 2006 23:10 schrieb Bernd Schubert: Wouter Verhelst wrote: If used properly, autotools usually do their job; and pretty well, too. Just have a look here http://lwn.net/Articles/188693 KDE never used the autotools properly (I'd rather call it hacking into it), probably

Re: cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Riku Voipio said: On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 04:09:33PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: This is of course a lie.or why don't you like to prove it: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html Come back to reallity, the k3b maintainers did already

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 04:59:24PM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Wouter Verhelst writes: On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:58:13AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Aug-06, 09:09 (CDT), Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1155391794 past the epoch, Bernd Schubert wrote: Btw, why always

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Ben Pfaff
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The *real* problem with the whole autotools disaster is that it promotes a braindead idea of how to achieve portability: a #ifdef branch for every different system (or library version, or whatever), strewn throughout the entire codebase. Real

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 03:53:40PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The *real* problem with the whole autotools disaster is that it promotes a braindead idea of how to achieve portability: a #ifdef branch for every different system (or library version,

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:50:51PM +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: Hi list, I have some questions I hope some of you have an answer for. I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools but only has a plain Makefile. 1) Can I use dh_make? Sure. 2) Does Debian

Re: Proposal: searchable d.o/security/

2006-08-14 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Moritz Muehlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-15 03:07]: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: today I searched for a specific DSA and its really pain if=20 you just know the package but no DSA number (correct me if I missed=20 something). What kind of search are you trying to do?

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Please don't mess with gettext this way. You should ask Ubuntu people to rewrite the lines so that the 'branding' is removed or, at most, is handled by a variable that *is* replaced at runtime (this is what was introduced in Debian Installer). If you do string-based replacement you are going

Re: WTF ? (Fwd: Your message to Yaird-devel awaits moderator approval)

2006-08-14 Thread Brian May
huggie == Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: huggie On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 02:10:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit huggie wrote: maintainer addresses HAVE to accept bug reports and mails from non-subscribers. This setting is not correct, please fix it asap. huggie If

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Michael Poole
Wouter Verhelst writes: In my experience, this is greatly exacerbated and perhaps even primarily due to older versions of autotools encouraging or requiring behavior that later versions of autotools declare to be broken. [...] The situation is not helped when these mutually incompatible

Re: Bug#382994: ITP: rebase -- The restriction enzyme database, from New England Biolabs

2006-08-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:57:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I explained the upstream authors the difference between main and non-free, and asked if they think that we can redistribute their data in a dfsg-free manner, and here is their answer: REBASE is free to its users and they may use

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:28:58PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Wed, 02 Aug 2006, David Nusinow wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:56:44PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: * David Nusinow [Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:37:23 +]: (I'm seriously interested in setting up git.debian.org for

Re: New desktop features provided by new version of update-notifier

2006-08-14 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
[Sorry for sending the message only to you John =(] Em Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:03:52 -0500 John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Not if this is their first exposure to Debian. Say you were a seasoned Solaris admin, and you installed Debian to play around with. You get a prompt saying that you

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of mailing lists: * E-mail generally has a wider reach -- it gets past corporate firewalls,

cdrtools alternatives (was Re: cdrtools)

2006-08-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Eduard Bloch wrote: Then let's see what a user of your software would do, in a not-so-uncommon use case: User A wants to burn a CD-ROM. She gets cdrtools, In reality, as user A, I switched to using cdrdao for making serious audio CDs and CD-RWs, and for burning disks from .iso files: this

Re: autotools and programming style (was: Remove cdrtools)

2006-08-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Hendrik Sattler wrote: You mean the difference between manpages-posix-dev (in non-free) and manpages-dev (in main)? The first is not proposed by Debian (I still don't get why anone would want to change a standards document as not changing it is the whole purpose of its existence.) In order to

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Greenland wrote: On 14-Aug-06, 15:59 (CDT), Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouter Verhelst writes: In the case of autotools, the fact is that usually it's configure.ac or Makefile.am being horribly broken, rather than the autotools. Oh yeah. Most people don't know how to

Re: Packaging software which does not use autotools

2006-08-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Rasmussen wrote: Hi list, I have some questions I hope some of you have an answer for. I intend to package a peace of software which does not use autotools but only has a plain Makefile. 1) Can I use dh_make? 2) Does Debian policy have something to say about it? No. 3) Would

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-14 Thread Miles Bader
Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Autotools do require you to do things the way they want, indeed. And every single autotool uses a different obscure language. Some consistency would be good -- but, I challenge you: write something that works better. There's a lot of deficiencies in

Accepted heartbeat 1.2.4-14 (source i386 all)

2006-08-14 Thread Simon Horman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:07 +0900 Source: heartbeat Binary: libstonith-dev ldirectord libstonith0 heartbeat libpils-dev libpils0 stonith heartbeat-dev Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.4-14 Distribution: unstable Urgency:

Accepted heartbeat-2 2.0.6-2 (source i386 all)

2006-08-14 Thread Simon Horman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:49:00 +0900 Source: heartbeat-2 Binary: heartbeat-2-dev ldirectord-2 heartbeat-2 Architecture: source i386 all Version: 2.0.6-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Simon Horman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted cl-uffi 1.5.15-1 (source all i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Kevin M. Rosenberg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:21:47 -0600 Source: cl-uffi Binary: cl-uffi-tests cl-uffi Architecture: source all i386 Version: 1.5.15-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Kevin M. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Kevin M.

Accepted cl-sql 3.6.6-1 (source all i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Kevin M. Rosenberg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:53:43 -0600 Source: cl-sql Binary: cl-sql-sqlite3 cl-sql-oracle cl-sql-aodbc cl-sql-postgresql-socket cl-sql-postgresql cl-sql-odbc cl-sql cl-sql-uffi cl-sql-tests cl-sql-sqlite cl-sql-mysql Architecture: source

Accepted python-biggles 1.6.4-3 (source i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Matej Vela
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:13:31 +0200 Source: python-biggles Binary: python-biggles Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.6.4-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Matej Vela [EMAIL

Accepted pan 0.108-1 (source i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Søren Boll Overgaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:10:51 + Source: pan Binary: pan Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.108-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Søren Boll Overgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Søren Boll Overgaard [EMAIL

Accepted ffcall 1.10-3 (source i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:34:55 +0200 Source: ffcall Binary: libffcall1 libffcall1-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.10-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Matthias Klose

Accepted libxfixes 1:4.0.1-2 (source i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Drew Parsons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:48 +1000 Source: libxfixes Binary: libxfixes3 libxfixes3-dbg libxfixes-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:4.0.1-2 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force

Accepted zope-plonetestcase 0.8.2-2 (source all)

2006-08-14 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:26:30 +0200 Source: zope-plonetestcase Binary: zope-plonetestcase Architecture: source all Version: 0.8.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian/Ubuntu Zope Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted sdcc 2.6.0-3 (source all amd64)

2006-08-14 Thread Aurelien Jarno
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:52:27 +0200 Source: sdcc Binary: sdcc-ucsim sdcc-doc sdcc-libraries sdcc Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 2.6.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted svgalib4libggi 1:0.7-1 (source i386)

2006-08-14 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:07:18 +1000 Source: svgalib4libggi Binary: svgalib1-libggi2 Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:0.7-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Anibal Monsalve Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Anibal

Accepted ldap-account-manager 1.0.4-1 (source all)

2006-08-14 Thread Roland Gruber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:36:16 +0200 Source: ldap-account-manager Binary: ldap-account-manager Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Roland Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Roland

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