On Sun August 27 2006 18:55, you wrote:
Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist
nonsense and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the
Ubuntu people, but I refuse to compromise my own work or Debian as a
project just so that they can excel.
I think you
* Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:45:30 -0400]:
Interesting. My previous attempt at solving this was to have mutt
explicitly set the Return-Path header. However, it did not work. I
don't know if it was because postfix on my gateway host stripped it or
rewrote it, or if it is just
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:06:37AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:45:30 -0400]:
Interesting. My previous attempt at solving this was to have mutt
explicitly set the Return-Path header. However, it did not work. I
don't know if it was because
Le jeudi 17 août 2006 à 11:48 -0400, Anthony L. Bryan a écrit :
Metalinks might be helpful on Debian's download page for
CD/DVD images. You
could have a single quick link to your ISOs that contains all the
mirror/p2p/checksum info in it.
Metalinks, a cross platform vendor neutral
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
accessible mail server. The point is that I only experience this
problem with Alioth and SourceForge lists, where they use braindead call
back mechanism to try and reach the host that originated the message.
I'm an Alioth administrator. If you
[sorry for the duplicate, but I want to fix the threading]
On Sun August 27 2006 18:55, David Nusinow wrote:
Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist
nonsense and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the
Ubuntu people, but I refuse to compromise my own
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Brian May [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:22:55 +1000]:
Adeodate Also, do you remember having root
Adeodato bzr as root?
Huh?
Sorry, that should have read: do you remember having *run* bzr as root.
It's the most likely cause for those .pyc
On Aug 28, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm an Alioth administrator. If you expect help from us, you'd better not
say that our configuration is braindead. This is the most basic thing
that we can do to avoid spam.
It is not braindead, but antisocial.
sender verification is evil
Le dimanche 27 août 2006 à 19:12 +0200, Adeodato Simó a écrit :
bzrtools 0.9 does not put files under /usr/lib/python2.4, since it
uses python-support; and its maintainer scripts for 0.9 did not
bytecompile the modules, so the most plausible explanation for .pyc
files in /usr/lib/python2.4
Bruce,
Uhm, Debian's target audience is not Joe User, never has been AFAICT.
Joe isn't usually capable of determining which MTA, web server, proxy
server, etc., specific implementation is best for them, assuming they
are even aware of the architecture underlying the UI they see... Debian
Rudy:
There is so much to say about that, that I hardly
can remember the very concrete cases, so please don't attack me on that
basis.
I wasn't attacking you, If you had that impression I'm sorry.
No, I really hadn't. I mentioned that just preventively, not targeted at
You -because I
This has emerged from Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas thread.
Rudy:
I think the issues you point out is the feeback what we need, and
discuss about them. I encourage you to also post to the mailing list.
I'm trying to figure out how we can listen more our users needs, and
then make
Wouter:
1, Ubuntu places the care about the average-Joe-user at first place at
worst. Debian dosen't.
That's true, but this is improving.
Hope I could see it soon. Really.
I don't tell the ideology is not valid; I just tell that often this is
in the state Users, wait until we solve this
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current
software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too.
Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail
interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch, however if released as official
update of Debian, should do.
On 8/28/06, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're speaking about distributions that are intended for daily use, not
for experiments. To make it clear, Debian 3.1 Sarge and Ubuntu 6.06. If
the Etch has it, that's great. However that dosen't matter answering the
Debian is at least as
* Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:05]:
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current
software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too.
Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail
interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch,
On Aug 28, Guillem Jover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just yesterday night dato raised the issue on #d-release, and I was
telling about the virtual package, and that we could move to it now,
and worry later about a possible transition to that new update-inetd
(if it happens to exist some day), aj
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whoo no way! I don't want to updated my servers more than once 18-24
months. I don't need php5, specs says php4 and php5, squid does it's job
very good and clamav from volatile rounds the package up.
Then don't.
The problem for people like
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:31:02 +0200
Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howabout some form -user could be navigated to some basic webpage
where he could answer some simple questions? Not too many questions
(optimally 5-8?), preferably pre-answered (by some selection box), of
course
Hi folks,
Following the last thread on the subject, several things have
happened:
1) All packages depending on netkit-inetd have had their dependencies
replaced with a netkit dependency.
2) netkit now only depends upon openbsd-inetd, so netkit-inetd is now
no longer used by either new
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:59:21AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
accessible mail server. The point is that I only experience this
problem with Alioth and SourceForge lists, where they use braindead call
back mechanism to try and reach the host
Martin Wuertele wrote:
Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3.
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
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Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more
frequently.
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages
On Aug 28, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Split out update-inetd from netbase into a new inetd package.
No, because e.g. xinetd needs a totally different update-inetd program.
It's simpler if each inetd package will ship its own update-inetd.
3) All update-inetd users need to depend
On 8/28/06, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No offense, but that is completely non-scalable. That only works for a
small number of users which does not change frequently. Anyhow, thanks
to 'Dato, I seem to have been able to convince mutt to play nicer with
your mail server.
Yeah.
Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That would be good to be add in cdbs. I think we might want to have it
more flexible to allow it to work for CDDs too but I liked it very
much :-D
It does not look right to me, though.. what about buildds? And what
about people forgetting an
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:35]:
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages more recent than a couple of years.
That's when backports and chroots comes in.
yours Martin
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:33:00AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
Wouter:
I don't tell the ideology is not valid; I just tell that often this is
in the state Users, wait until we solve this ideologically, it may
take some years. Well, user dosen't have the years and need things
working, so
At the beginning of my comments, there has been a statement from Rudy:
We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what
they tell that we can't? nothing. and as his message continues
(25.08.2006 00:51)
I
Hi all,
[sent to debian-devel since I'm not yet a DD]
I'll be away from the Internet for 3 months. I'll be on a research
vessel[1,2] sailing from Cairns, Australia. We will be stopping in
Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and I'll be getting off in Phuket,
Thailand (or maybe Singapore) in December.
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:33:00 +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
Mplayer can be installed easily by adding the right line to your
sources.list. It's all over the internet. Same goes for codecs.
Yes, I'll try to replicate that sentence to my aunt or cousin. It will
be of great help for sure.
Wouter, it seems You don't understand my point of view.
I don't question development results in Debian. I, too, couldn't,
because so far I haven't met any Etch installation.
I read Weekly news and watch the progress. I see there's quite a
development inside of Debian. As of release cycle being
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:48:31AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Out of curiousity, if this is such a good thing why are Alioth and
SourceForge the only two services (of the dozens of mailing lists from
half dozen or more services) which use this setup? Also, why is the
error message
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages more recent than a couple of years.
That's when backports and chroots comes in.
Backports have dubious quality and do not get real security support.
Hi folks,
Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to
put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for
some comments.
Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-agent) cannot be
specified by themselves. They can only be used in combination
On Monday 28 August 2006 14:59, Roger Leigh took the opportunity to say:
For the case of mail-transport-agent, this could be simply solved by
the creation of a mail-transport-agent-default package. This would
be an empty package, doing nothing but providing this dependency:
Depends: exim4
Am 2006-08-24 17:51:55, schrieb Rudy Godoy:
I do believe it's more a matter of relations with press and media than
budget. We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what they
tell that we can't?
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working
either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months
thank to KNOWN bug in security upgrade. Now tell somebody, that Debian
But OOo 2.0 is not in Stable!
ciol wrote:
Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3.
... squid3 is in *gosh* testing.
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
ciol wrote:
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
The... err... issue is that these
On 28/08/2006 Magnus Holmgren wrote:
Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only on
exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with it
(but it's enough that all the others do), so if the default is changed then
the old default, the new
On Monday 28 August 2006 18:09, Jonas Meurer took the opportunity to say:
On 28/08/2006 Magnus Holmgren wrote:
Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only
on exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with
it (but it's enough that all the
Roger Leigh wrote:
Hi folks,
Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to
put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for
some comments.
Currently, virtual packages (such as mail-transport-agent) cannot be
specified by themselves. They can only
On Monday 28 August 2006 18:48, Aurelien Jarno took the opportunity to say:
Roger Leigh wrote:
Hi folks,
Following some discussion with Marco d'Itri about inetd, I'd like to
put forward some more general thoughts on virtual package handling for
some comments.
Currently, virtual
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote:
Making mail-transport-agent the empty package, and having it depend only on
exim4 (the default), should work. Of course, exim4 can't conflict with it
(but it's enough that all the others do),
No, that's not enough. The exim4
On Monday 28 August 2006 20:35, Anthony Towns wrote:
Hello, world!
As a project, Debian is heavily committed to the ideals of free software.
That's not news to anyone reading this, I'm sure, as it's something
we've constantly worked to improve, whether that be by establishing our
Social
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6c557439-9c21-4eec-ad6c-e6384fab56a8
[ 1 ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
[ 3 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in main
[ 2 ] Choice 3: Support hardware that requires sourceless firmware
[ ] Choice 4: None of the
PLEASE UNINSTALL ME FROM CALLWAVE. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS 405-379-2219.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 01:17:42PM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
At the beginning of my comments, there has been a statement from Rudy:
We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what
they tell
Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually they can, but it's recommended that a real package be given as
well. From /usr/share/lintian/checks/fields.desc:
Tag: virtual-package-depends-without-real-package-depends
Type: warning
Ref: policy 7.4
Info: The package declares a depends
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 02:01:21AM -0400, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Since I have no valid ID-Card (problens with France, since I am origin
iranish/turkish witeh illegal german adoptivp arents) I can not enter
the NM... nobody can sign
Le Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:00:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working
either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months
thank to KNOWN bug in security
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the debian website would deserve a section in which Debian
communicates on those issues. After all, I think that they are similar
in concept (but not in gravity) to recalls seen in the industry: a
broken material was released, so special
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