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On 14.11.2006 05:19 schrieb Frans Pop:
* The installer will now create ext3 partitions with important options
like resize_inode and dir_index enabled by default; the first means
that on-line resizing of ext3 partitions is supported.
And since some users might be happily running
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 09:44, Bastian Venthur wrote:
And where can I get the full list of ext3-options which are enabled now
by default?
Enabled by default when creating a new file system:
$ less /etc/mke2fs.conf
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Hi,
Can you briefly explain the differences or advantages over monit?
I think, dudki is just an alternative to monit. But it has less
features.
Its task is just to check if processes it had to survey are running,
and if not it will try to reload them and report actions by mail.
M.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: upstream
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : Mahangu Weerasinghe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ryan Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joel Pan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:10:06 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
[Bastian Venthur]
And since some users might be happily running Debian for years without
needing the Debian installer -- what can we do to let those users
benefit from enhancements a new Debian Installer brings?
As far as I
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 02:33:14PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote:
Programming Lang: C and i386 asm (it doesn't work on amd64)
Description : lets you attach processes running on other terminals
To anyone else who was curious about this:
What it seems to be doing is injecting code onto the
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 13:35, Sam Morris wrote:
filesystem. However, to get the benefit of the indexing for
already-created directories, e2fsck -D should be run after dir_index
has been added; therefore it's probably best to just document the
procedure in the release notes.
If you'd
* Sam Morris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061114 13:36]:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/linux.debian.devel/msg/4d987ea414438e70,
it should be perfectly safe to add dir_index to an existing filesystem.
However, to get the benefit of the indexing for already-created
directories, e2fsck -D should be
[Bastian Venthur]
On 14.11.2006 05:19 schrieb Frans Pop:
* The installer will now create ext3 partitions with important options
like resize_inode and dir_index enabled by default; the first means
that on-line resizing of ext3 partitions is supported.
And since some users might be
Package: wnpp
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Owner: Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: retty
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Petr Baudis, Jan Sembera
* URL : http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/dev/retty/
* License : GPL
Programming Lang: C and i386 asm (it doesn't
On Nov 14, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
busybox?
Such a requirement would at least be wonderful for us embedded developers...
But hardly practical, IIRC there are some commonly used shell features
supported by dash but not busybox.
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Hi, I'm Brazilian and I'm facing some problems with console-date (I think).When I use the Etch install CD to install on a new machine, everything works fine but the keyboard layout doesn't, I can't use the / key and the 'dot' in numeric pad too.
Its just when I'm in terminal, and when I go to X, I
* Roberto C. Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061114 14:58]:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:19:13AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
* The 2.6.17 kernel should support installing from most CD-ROM/DVD
drives in systems with a SATA controller. However, there are known
issues in 2.6.17 with some
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:58:00AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I understand that the line must be drawn somewhere. However, I am
concerned about Etch shipping with a 2.6.17 kernel because of Xen.
Please read further down, to where the next rc is expected to include
2.6.18.
--
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 09:01:48AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:58:00AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I understand that the line must be drawn somewhere. However, I am
concerned about Etch shipping with a 2.6.17 kernel because of Xen.
Please read further
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 14:58, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I understand that the line must be drawn somewhere. However, I am
concerned about Etch shipping with a 2.6.17 kernel because of Xen.
AIUI, Xen has issues with 2.6.17 kernels (at least those available from
backports). I run some Xen
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:19:13AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
* The 2.6.17 kernel should support installing from most CD-ROM/DVD
drives in systems with a SATA controller. However, there are known
issues in 2.6.17 with some controllers that have been fixed in 2.6.18.
I understand
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:44:41 +0100, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 11:10:52PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
It would, at one fell swoop, solve the problem Thomas hinted at
before, about our specification allowing shell to randomly shadow
other commands on the
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:10:52 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
OK. How about we again step back, and examine the rationale
behind this, and the use cases that we intended to support? Look,
bash is essential, and ships as /bin/sh; nothing is required as far
as
I demand that Petter Reinholdtsen may or may not have written...
[snip]
As far as I know, neither the resize_inode nore the dir_index ext3 option
can be securely added after the file system is created.
I've done the latter, though while the file system was unmounted, and I ran
fsck -D on it
* Darren Salt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061114 19:54]:
I demand that Petter Reinholdtsen may or may not have written...
[snip]
As far as I know, neither the resize_inode nore the dir_index ext3 option
can be securely added after the file system is created.
I've done the latter, though while
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:31:32 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
On dom, 2006-11-12 at 14:02 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I suggest that we specify tow headers: and SCM specific header,
XS-Vcs-NAME where name is one keyword from a specified list (bzr,
cvs, svn, darcs, git,
On Nov 14, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what features do we settle on? we can either standardize
on, well, a standard: POSIX/SUSv3, -- but there are things we use
that come from XSI. I guess we could standardize on SUSv3 +XSI
shells. Would still make local
Quoting eduardo.oliva barruzi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Hi, I'm Brazilian and I'm facing some problems with console-date (I think).
When I use the Etch install CD to install on a new machine, everything works
fine but the keyboard layout doesn't, I can't use the / key and the 'dot' in
numeric pad
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On 11/14/06 12:28, Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Petter Reinholdtsen may or may not have written...
[snip]
As far as I know, neither the resize_inode nore the dir_index ext3 option
can be securely added after the file system is created.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:03:06PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
What problem exactly are you trying to solve? We have a
working OS now, and have had one for over a decade; and we have been
using bash all along. Reading what you say leads one to imagine all
kinds of dire prolems
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:11:27PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Nov 14, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
busybox?
Such a requirement would at least be wonderful for us embedded developers...
But hardly practical, IIRC there are some commonly used shell features
supported by dash
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, rather than specifying what /bin/sh is supposed to be,
with all the issues about shadowing binaries etc, we start with
specifying what the maintainer scripts must comply with.
I'm not as worried about maintainer scripts as I am about
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:58 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
This is basically why I think the best approach is to standardize on SUSv3
plus test -a/-o (with a more complete specification) and local. Our
experience with previous rounds of this discussion is that everyone seems
to be able to agree
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you are proposing that anything installed as /bin/sh *must* support
feature such-and-such *if* it has a test builtin, then I'm ok with that.
Any shell that supports being installed as /bin/sh must currently provide
a test builtin to support a
On Tue November 14 2006 19:06, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I refused to stop using test -a in my packages as well, and refused
to declare #!/bin/bash.
Here's why.
test -a is not a bashism.
It's a feature of the Debian test program. It happens that bash
declares a builtin, but that's
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:03:54PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Nov 14, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what features do we settle on? we can either standardize
on, well, a standard: POSIX/SUSv3, -- but there are things we use
that come from XSI. I guess we could
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:36:04PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
[snip]
So, what features do we settle on? we can either standardize
on, well, a standard: POSIX/SUSv3, -- but there are things we use
that come from XSI. I guess we could standardize on SUSv3 +XSI
shells. Would still
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:01:10AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Firstly, should we be pointing to the SuS instead of POSIX
(there is work going on a new version of the SUS), since it is open,
and readily available on th 'net, and people can readily see it (as
opposed to
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:01:10AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Secondly, why should we explicity carve out an exception for
test -a and -o, rather than saying that the XSI extensions need be
supported? The X/Open System Interface is the
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:03:54PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
No, there is no such issue. The issue is that a few people tried to
remove all use of test -a/-e and local from /bin/sh scripts,
I admit belonging to the group of some people here.
and
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 02:20 +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
and failed
miserably.
And you belong to the group of people that caused it to fail...
I refused to stop using test -a in my packages as well, and refused to
declare #!/bin/bash.
Here's why.
test -a is not a bashism.
It's a
Not in my experience, but I haven't tested for them in particular. On my
system, I see one maintainer script using test -o, none using test -a, and
none using test ().
I currently see no need to require that test () be supported.
I do. Debian test is provided by the coreutils package.
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do. Debian test is provided by the coreutils package. As the man
page says:
( EXPRESSION )
EXPRESSION is true
And, we have the existing rule in section 10.1 of the policy manual:
Two different packages must not install
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:38 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Two different packages must not install programs with different
functionality but with the same filenames.
There does not seem to be any reason to exempt shell builtins from this
requirement.
I think there are obvious reasons to
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:38 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think there are obvious reasons to exempt shell builtins from this
requirement, so you're going to have to present more of an argument
than this. I think this is a very strained reading of
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:59 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think this would be a great deal of work for little useful benefit.
Why? Surely it would be useful to know what the differences are between
various shells. The statement Posix-compatible was apparently
intended by the authors of that
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:59 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think this would be a great deal of work for little useful benefit.
Why? Surely it would be useful to know what the differences are between
various shells.
I believe that such a document
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 22:15 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
The problem sparking this thread and my initial work on a Policy patch is
not a problem caused by shells with builtins; it is, in fact, not a
technical problem at all in the sense that no user has had their system
broken by the use of
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Heck, I'm entirely happy with Manoj's suggestion to drop the whole damn
thing, and simply say /bin/sh will be bash.
Well, I'm not, and neither are a lot of other people judging from this
discussion.
No. I'm saying that the existing noticed
Zack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd like to see this say something about what may be assumed of the
standard shell utilities, as well as the shell itself, and in
particular I'd like to see coreutils bug #339085 addressed [please see
the bug log for my personal very strong opinion on
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