Co-Maintainer for libdbi-perl wanted

2007-07-16 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello I'm looking for a co-maintainer of libdbi-perl. It's a very low-work package that just sometimes fails to build on some architecture. bye, -christian- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers >>> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware >>> of .desktop files for those other syst

Re: Possibly building OpenAFS 64-bit for sparc

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the meantime, it needs to either know rather too much about the > internals of glibc data structures (which broke as of glibc 2.3) or it > needs to have getcontext/setcontext functions. > As of the upgrade to glibc 2.3, we've switched the OpenAFS pack

Possibly building OpenAFS 64-bit for sparc

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
(I am not subscribed to debian-sparc, but I am subscribed to debian-devel. If you don't cc debian-devel, please cc me.) Hello folks, OpenAFS (a distributed file system client and server with a fairly old code base) has userspace client programs and servers that use its internal lightweight thread

Lintian test for desktop files (was Re: adding desktop files to misc packages)

2007-07-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:54:47PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 16 July 2007 20:44, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > > There are some typos there too ('GameAction', 'ActionGame') which I'm > > going to file bugs now. > > The use of plurals for both seems to be a bug too, looking at o

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Jul-07, 12:57 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 ? 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a ?crit : > > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. > > Does your job include daily window manager testing? No. But anything I use daily g

Re: Bug#433261: ITP: libpano13 -- panorama tools library

2007-07-16 Thread Florent Bayle
Hi, Le lundi 16 juillet 2007, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : > > > Panorama Tools was originally created by Professor Helmut Dersch of the > > University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. Professor Dersch's site no > > longer has links to download the tools, which is why this panotools > > sourceforge

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Bruce Sass
On Mon July 16 2007 12:03:17 pm Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:16:49 -0600 > Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers > etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware > of .desktop files for thos

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Frank Küster wrote: > Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers >> etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware >> of .desktop files for those other systems. > > Oh, please not. Everytime I try a "des

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Frank Küster
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like Don's idea - remove the Debian menu from those window managers > etc. that understand .desktop files and make the Debian menu aware > of .desktop files for those other systems. Oh, please not. Everytime I try a "desktop environment", I end up usi

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.07.16.1957 +0200]: > > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. > > Does your job include daily window manager testing? Mine is, full-time. Stop being destructive. > > So J. Random User can easily see what window ma

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit : So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. Does your job include daily window manager testing? Interesting criterion: Daily use of an entry. H So

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:09:28PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 20:01 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a > écrit : > > Check this: > > $ find . -name "*desktop" -exec egrep "Categories.*Game.*" \{\} \; | wc -l > > 54 > > > > I get all these 54 items in GNOME's

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 16 July 2007 20:44, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > There are some typos there too ('GameAction', 'ActionGame') which I'm > going to file bugs now. The use of plurals for both seems to be a bug too, looking at other categories. pgpp3TxdDCLlE.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 20:01 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a écrit : > Check this: > $ find . -name "*desktop" -exec egrep "Categories.*Game.*" \{\} \; | wc -l > 54 > > I get all these 54 items in GNOME's Game menu with no category division. > And, both GNOME *and* KDE *and* Desktop-

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:12:02AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > So it seems like we should do the following: (...) 4. Add i18n support to menu so that it can generate localised menu names, entries and tooltips both when converting desktop -> menu (for WM != KDE/GNOME/Xfce) and when converti

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:16:49 -0600 Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why not drop the Debian Menu Policy completely? The only sane > > > argument against .desktop is hierarchy support but then the most > > > pertinent complaint against menu is that the hierarchy is wasteful. > > > > The

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:45 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit : > The problem is your idea of "more usable" is, to me, "remove valuable > functionality". Yes. Improving usability requires removing or reworking functionality exposure. This is a trade-off between not being able to do something be

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 10:10:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > We can use additional keywords in the desktop entries to get them sorted > > in sub-menus when appropriate, but many desktop files are not tagged > > correctly. As you can see in the specification [0], all cate

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:47 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit : > Why do you think that would happen? None of the people here have > suggested that. You, on the other hand, have suggested that the Debian > menu system be trashed in favor the GNOME menu system. No. I have suggested that both syst

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 16:08 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > The debian menu hierarchy has just been revised, and a new menu policy > has been active since a few weeks. The new hierarchy doesn't fix any of the issues that were raised. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your p

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit : > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. Does your job include daily window manager testing? > So J. Random User can easily see what window managers are available. Some of the users we target don't even

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:12:02 -0700 Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So it seems like we should do the following: > > 1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in preference > to .menu files when they exist > > 2. Generate .desktop files from .menu files using the menu sy

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 à 12:32 -0500, Steve Greenland a écrit : > > Kernel modules don't clutter the user interface. > > But all those KDE packages clutter my usage of aptitude. So do the > windowmaker packages. And all those damn perl packages. Nothing to do with the user interface (which in t

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Jul-07, 15:18 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 ? 13:07 -0700, Steve Langasek a ?crit : > > No, the way Debian works is that we have this little thing called Policy > > that's intended to ensure consistency between packages in the distribution >

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Jul-07, 14:17 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 ? 11:24 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a ?crit : > > This sounds fairly combative; and it also begins to sound > > divisive (the GNOME people, keepers of usability, vs all the useless > > users

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Jul-07, 07:17 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fact this is the best way to implement this feature doesn't make it > less frivolous. > > > > > How about next suggesting to remove all modules for hardware less than > > 10% of users have? That would help much to not c

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Jul-07, 19:26 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 13 juillet 2007 ? 17:16 -0700, Steve Langasek a ?crit : > > > Oh my. Do you mean that in the 90 window managers shipped in Debian, > > > none of them is suitable for all your needs and that you have to use > > > *

policy and userfriendlyness (Re: adding desktop files to misc packages)

2007-07-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070716 12:15]: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what > > > happens in their packages. > > > > No, the way Debia

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> As a consequence, this will duplicate the work, but I think we should >> add .desktop entries to packages, especially games, that don't have one >> and deserve it. > What do you mean with "deserve it"? Co

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: I'm opposed to people who drink the GNOME koolaid and call it "usability". Call it like you want. We call it usability, and it looks incompatible with what a number of developers expect from the menu system. I don't think that there is something l

Bug#433358: ITP: gtkrsync -- GUI front-end to display rsync status

2007-07-16 Thread John Goerzen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gtkrsync Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://hg.complete.org/gtkrsync * License : GPL Programming Lang: Haskell Description

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 02:11:55PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:36:47 +0200 > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le vendredi 13 juillet 2007 à 18:34 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > > > I can't find anything in the Debian menu which is neither already in the > > >

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-16 Thread William Pitcock
Eduard Bloch gmx.de> writes: > I disagree. As said, I dislike a simple player touching every file for no > good reason, and I do not consider "codec detection" a such one. There > is simply no important information you would gather from that. Validity > of the file and the length are only interes

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-16 Thread William Pitcock
William Pitcock sacredspiral.co.uk> writes: > > Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes: > > > > > I think what they don't want is > > [4] Replace XMMS by a metapackage that installs Audacious in place > > > Err to clarify, not doing [4] is exactly what we want. Sorry if anyone got confused.

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-16 Thread William Pitcock
Steve Greenland moregruel.net> writes: > > On 14-Jul-07, 16:48 (CDT), William Pitcock sacredspiral.co.uk> wrote: > > My issue is that I find it patently offensive that people attack my work > > simply because they wish to regain XMMS in their distribution. Maybe > > I am wrong in thinking that

Bug#433343: ITP: envctrl -- Kernel modules to support the environmental monitoring hardware in Sun's E250 and E450 servers

2007-07-16 Thread David Johnson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: envctrl Version : SVN snapshot Upstream Authors: Eric Brower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.david-web.co.uk/index.php?p=envctrl * Licen

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-16 Thread William Pitcock
Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes: > > I think what they don't want is > [4] Replace XMMS by a metapackage that installs Audacious in place > This is exactly what we want, as that will cause problems for us. William -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-16 Thread William Pitcock
Don Armstrong debian.org> writes: > > We can certainly attempt to do so; I don't think anyone in this thread > is contemplanting knowingly causing audacious's upstream harm. > I agree, in fact, I don't think Debian would handle such a migration in the way that Gentoo handled it. I'm just bringi

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Don Armstrong
So it seems like we should do the following: 1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in preference to .menu files when they exist 2. Generate .desktop files from .menu files using the menu system when .desktop files don't exist. 3. Continue using the menu system for window manag

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what > > > happens in their packages. > > > > No, the way Debian works is

Re: Bug#433261: ITP: libpano13 -- panorama tools library

2007-07-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
> Panorama Tools was originally created by Professor Helmut Dersch of the > University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. Professor Dersch's site no > longer has links to download the tools, which is why this panotools > sourceforge project exists. I remember vaguely that there were some copyrig

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:56:42PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > The way Debian works is that developers have the final word on what > > happens in their packages. > > No, the way Debian works is that we have this little thing called Policy > that