Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have I missed some announcement that DFSG violations don't matter for
the release of ‘lenny’?
No, because they generally matter.
I ask because a whole lot of bug reports of DFSG violations have been
tagged ‘lenny-ignore’ without explanation:
[...]
and
Le dimanche 19 octobre 2008 à 13:45 +0200, Guido Loupias a écrit :
This is a slightly modified version of the code that is in libnotify_init()
which I put in my own program to redirect the output (error-message) to a
logfile because I wasn't sure how to redirect g_message() (which is what the
On Mon,20.Oct.08, 00:51:03, s. keeling wrote:
Just curious, but why 2 3? Why isn't 1 considered the simplest
solution? xterm is ca. 300k. What Seyon users can't afford 300k disk
space or its RSS?
vi's installed on every *nix box on the planet. Why shouldn't xterm
be on every X
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
reassign 477498 initscripts
Bug#477498: smbfs: Shutdown Reboot scripts try umount CIFS but CIFSD is
killed first
Bug reassigned from package `general' to `initscripts'.
thanks
Stopping processing here.
Please contact me if you need assistance.
Sound to me like the cifs startup script need to register their pid to
avoid killall killing them at shutdown. The mechanism is already
provided by initscripts, now the packages needing it just need to use
it.
Which package starts this daemon? This issue should be reassigned
there.
Happy
[Petter Reinholdtsen]
Sound to me like the cifs startup script need to register their pid
to avoid killall killing them at shutdown. The mechanism is already
provided by initscripts, now the packages needing it just need to
use it.
Another alternative is to flag the mounted volume in
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Tatsuya Kinoshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: goby
Version : 0.94
Upstream Author : Kazu Yamamoto
* URL : http://www.mew.org/~kazu/proj/goby/
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: Emacs Lisp
Description :
Peter Pentchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 05:48:02PM +0200, Adeodato Sim?? wrote:
* Peter Pentchev [Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:37:21 +0300]:
Description : Utility to read variables from a configuration file
Please mention INI-style in the short description, eg.:
Hello Pierre,
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe the problem here is somehow very generic, and that using a
virtual package like proposed in the bug report (#500176) doesn't scale
well. Especially for dns daemons. Packaging two of them myself (nsd3
that is an authoritative
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:48:50AM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
While fixing
these issues is and should be a goal of Debian, it's hardly something
that can be done in the last few weeks before releasing.
If I may make a suggestion, instead of trying to justify that Debian should
change
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:21:24PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 à 16:08 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social contract?
Yes, they have.
What if, instead of
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:41:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social contract?
Yes, they have.
Furthermore, the FTP team (which is
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:57:24AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Sound to me like the cifs startup script need to register their pid to
avoid killall killing them at shutdown. The mechanism is already
provided by initscripts, now the packages needing it just need to use
it.
Which
Hi everyone, --- will be referred to as you
Stephen Gran said:
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:41:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Robert Millan wrote:
Btw, I'm looking for supporters for a GR to stop this gross violation
of the SC. Any DDs who read this, please let me know if you're
interested.
Actually, I think we need a GR on the lines of
,
| http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007
Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 à 16:34 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:21:24PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
What if, instead of ranting everywhere, you actually contributed code to
fix these bugs?
I did...
And you deserve kudos for that. But that doesn’t make this
Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 à 16:34 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:21:24PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
What if, instead of ranting everywhere, you actually contributed code to
fix these bugs?
I did...
And you deserve kudos for that.
But still, it is
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 06:15:57PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
What are the release and ftp team supposed to do here? Sure, I can
type in dak rm linux-2.6 and see what happens
Move it to non-free. Then have it go to NEW the next time it's uploaded,
and go through the usual DFSG-ness check
Damnit, sent mail instead of moving to drafts. Sorry for the double
sending.
--
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: :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code.
`. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to
`-our own. Resistance is futile.
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 07:16:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You cannot ask, so late in the release process,
Some of these bugs have been known for *years*. In one of them, I even got
a reply saying something along the lines of I was expecting this one.
--
Robert Millan
The DRM
Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 à 19:30 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 07:16:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
You cannot ask, so late in the release process,
Some of these bugs have been known for *years*. In one of them, I even got
a reply saying something along the
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:08 +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:41:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social contract?
Yes, they have.
Furthermore, the FTP team (which is
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 11:43 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Actually, I think we need a GR on the lines of
,
| http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007
| General Resolution: Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel
`
To get a special dispensation for
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:48:57AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:08 +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:41:16AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I object to a second round of this. I was ok with it once, as a
compromise, but the understanding I had then was that it was a one-time
thing, to give time to actually *fix* the problem.
Note that there is currently active
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems we relied primarily on the release team, which has betrayed
the goals of the project,
I do not accept to be called names because I firmly believe that
Debian's goal is to distribute the best possible free software to our
users. All of our work
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
I queried Robert on IRC and told him that he does not have a realistic
scenario of fixing the bug and that he would need to come up with a
working NMUable patch to in order to even have a viable proposition to
move things forward.[1]
What are the
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:11 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I object to a second round of this. I was ok with it once, as a
compromise, but the understanding I had then was that it was a one-time
thing, to give time to
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 20:18 +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
Apparently, our control structures are not reliable enough to _enforce_
what we have decided. It seems we relied primarily on the release team,
which has betrayed the goals of the project, and only count on the FTP
team as a fallback,
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On 20-10-2008 16:32, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
I queried Robert on IRC and told him that he does not have a realistic
scenario of fixing the bug and that he would need to come up with a
working NMUable
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:41:16 -0500]:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social contract? Is releasing on schedule more
important than the SC?
When I do my release work, I have certain tools, and decisions about how
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:33:49PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:46:18PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems we relied primarily on the release team, which has betrayed
the goals of the project,
I do not
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:00PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 08:48:50AM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
While fixing
these issues is and should be a goal of Debian, it's hardly something
that can be done in the last few weeks before releasing.
If I may make
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:23:20PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 20:18 +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
Apparently, our control structures are not reliable enough to _enforce_
what we have decided. It seems we relied primarily on the release team,
which has betrayed
Josselin Mouette schreef:
If you are running a panel applet, the
probable cause is that the bonobo-activation-server process from the
previous session is still running and is setting this environment
variable.
This appears to have been the culprit. I added the snippet below to the server
file
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
For me, believe it or not, it's very important not to betray the rest of
developers with the actions I take in my role as a release person. Which
is *not* to say I won't take any actions that makes feel one particular
developer betrayed. But I do try
Hi,
This email is an edited excerpt from Sven Luther, sent via
private email. I am sending in a version I am happy to defend posting,
and will try to convey as much of what Sven said as I am comfortable
forwarding. I have marked where I paraphrased what Sven said.
manoj
On
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would think at least a meaningful justification in the bug
report is required
Well, apply common sense.
Common sense, i.e. the policy, social contract, and DFSG that are each
agreed in common by all
Robert Millan wrote:
Has the current release team lowered the bar on Debian actually
trying to follow the social contract?
Yes, they have.
What if, instead of ranting everywhere, you actually contributed code to
fix these bugs?
I did...
You contributed one(!) - untested
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:14:15 -0500]:
Hi,
But developers are not the only infliences on your decision. You
have agreed to abide by the social contract, have you not? That, too,
should dictate how you act within your delegated role.
[...]
There is nothing
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:22:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:11 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
We need the relevant maintainers to be told your unwillingness to fix
this means we will not be
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:55 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 11:43 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Actually, I think we need a GR on the lines of
,
| http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007
| General Resolution: Handling source-less firmware in the
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On 20-10-2008 19:09, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:14:15 -0500]:
[...]
So, could you explain your view of the issue here, without
bringing in feeling of betrayal, which I do not comprehend?
I agreed to
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
I agreed to abide by the social contract, but I happen to think that
these lenny-ignore tags at hand are acceptable in order to get a release
out, /and/ I also believe that a majority of the developers happens to
think the same (otherwise I wouldn't
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 22:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
No, really. The kernel team are volunteers. Ordering them to do things
doesn't help at all; one could equally well send the same message to
everyone working on Debian (or, indeed, the wider community) since they
could also step up to the
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:22 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 20 octobre 2008 à 16:34 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:21:24PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
What if, instead of ranting everywhere, you actually contributed code to
fix these bugs?
I
Moritz Muehlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, bugs don't get magically fixed.
You didn't do anything substantially about them, so you can hardly
complain.
These specific bug reports describe instances where the Debian project
breaks its own promises, which is why their severity is
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 22:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:22:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:11 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
We need the relevant maintainers to be
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:38:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
When I do my release work, I have certain tools, and decisions about how
to use them. One of these tools is britney, and another is the possibility
of saying that certain bugs will not stop the release from happening.
snip
Unstable
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:52:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I think that we should not just assume that the developers think
that violating the DFSG is acceptable just to release a new version. I
Sure, but we shouldn't assume the contrary either, and it seems to me
that a lot of
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:52:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I think that we should not just assume that the developers
think that violating the DFSG is acceptable just to release a new
version.
Sure, but we shouldn't assume
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:52:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I think that we should not just assume that the developers think
that violating the DFSG is acceptable just to release a new version. I
Sure, but we shouldn't assume the
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:38:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
When I do my release work, I have certain tools, and decisions about how
to use them. One of these tools is britney, and another is the possibility
of saying that certain bugs will
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:38:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
... and if it is *not* different, why should be the release managers
be considered responsible for it? They just decide (and kudos for
all their hard work,
On Tue, Oct 21 2008, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 09:38:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
... and if it is *not* different, why should be the release managers
be considered responsible for it? They just
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