Re: Publication du Cahier de l'admin Debian Etch

2009-03-02 Thread Didier Raboud
Le lundi 2 mars 2009 19:35:02 Roland Mas, vous avez écrit : Subject: Publication du Cahier de l'admin Debian Etch Erf... Mais je me réjouis de le lire. :) -- Didier Raboud, proud Debian user. CH-1802 Corseaux did...@raboud.com signature.asc

Le p'tit nouveau !

2009-03-02 Thread Olivier Lange
Salutation à l'équipe Debian french ;) Suite au message envoyé par Roland Mas, et après avoir visité la page de Raphael, je me suis dit que c'était le moment que je m'inscrive, et que je m'investisse un peu sur le projet Debian. En espérant que je pourrais apporter ma pierre à l'édifice! Donc me

Re: Le p'tit nouveau !

2009-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Bonjour, On Mon, 02 Mar 2009, Olivier Lange wrote: Donc me voici parmis vous... Maintenant, la question qui tue... Que puis-je faire pour donner un coup de main à l'équipe Debian? Ce n'est pas claire pour moi! Je me permets donc de vous donner quelques infos sur mes compétences, passion,

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 03:19 +0100, Sylvain Rochet wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sylvain Rochet grada...@gradator.net * Package name: mydns Version : 1.2.8.26 Upstream Author : Howard Wilkinsin how...@cohtech.com * URL : http://mydns.pl/ *

Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta

2009-03-02 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 06:32:45PM +0100, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: Hmmm. I partially agree, but then we have an unnecessary exception: such virtual packages must have only one provider, or else there will be problems (IIRC) on dpkg, apt or ddbuild, if such dependency is

Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:25:38PM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote: Among the problems we try to deal with the proposed solutions is, as Daniel wrote in 494422e7.2060...@debian.org, that apt (and/or aptitude) take the alphabetically first package which provides foo and installs that to fulfill the

Re: Transition: krb5 to drop Kerberos IV (libkrb53 restructuring)

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 03:12:09PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Julien BLACHE wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: debian/shlibs.local should help for that. Except symbols files have priority over shlibs and there's no symbols.local. I sense a

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 01 mars 2009 à 22:25 -0800, Bill Unruh a écrit : The issue is one of the users. They do not give a damn if Schilling is a difficult and arrogant SOB or if the Debian people put principle above all else. They just want good software, which works, not just on the most popular brands

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Michelle Konzack wrote: I have over 16 GByte of coredumps: OpenOffice, Iceweasel, mutt, pidgin, FvwmForm, mimedecode, gimp, mc, ... Some are here: http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/coredumps/ and I can not more upload since I am on GSM and ma sped and traffic is limited Use gdb, get

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 mars 2009 à 02:56 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit : I have over 16 GByte of coredumps: OpenOffice, Iceweasel, mutt, pidgin, FvwmForm, mimedecode, gimp, mc, ... Some are here: http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/coredumps/ and I can not more upload since I am on GSM and ma

Re: Transition: krb5 to drop Kerberos IV (libkrb53 restructuring)

2009-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 Mar 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: shlibs.local was initially a poor solution for a less than ideal dpkg-shlibdeps that couldn't cope with shlibs just produced by the packages being built. Are you sure this was the reason? shlibs.local support was added to dpkg-shlibdeps in

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Josselin Mouette wrote: The only thing for which you’ll need Schily-based software in Debian is for burning CDs. For DVDs and Blu-Rays, we have dvd+rw-tools already. What about libburn + cdrskin and similar tools? -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:56:19AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: I wish I had at least a STM-1 at home, I would you send you all 300 coredumps since the release weekend of Lenny... Please report bugs in the appropriate forum, e.g. the BTS. debian-devel is not for general complaints.

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bernd Schubert
On Monday 02 March 2009, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2009-03-02 06:23:26, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Since everything seems to be dumping core on your system have you thought about the possibility that it might be your system that is at fault? Such a widespread range of coredumps usualy

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: If you don???t publish this email, we will simply not believe you, that???s all. Using majestetis pluralis in this relation seems to be a bit absurd. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread George Danchev
Quoting Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le dimanche 01 mars 2009 à 22:25 -0800, Bill Unruh a écrit : The issue is one of the users. They do not give a damn if Schilling is a difficult and arrogant SOB or if the Debian people put principle above all else. They just want good software, which

Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Finney
Howdy all, I'm having a conversation with a Debian packager regarding a manpage that, currently, is a mere placeholder saying “please see foocommand --help”, giving none of the useful information normally found in a manpage. I would like the specific package to remain anonymous at the moment

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Didier Raboud
Joerg Schilling wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: If you don???t publish this email, we will simply not believe you, that???s all. Using majestetis pluralis in this relation seems to be a bit absurd. Jörg If you don't publish this email, I will not believe you, that's

Possible gnomeicu removal

2009-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, I plan to ask the removal of gnomeicu that neither Sebastien or me are using. I saved it for lenny, but I don't think it's worth keeping for Squeeze. Hence I will request its removal in a few days unless someone pops up and adopts it. http://gnomeicu.sourceforge.net

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Simon Josefsson
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: I'm having a conversation with a Debian packager regarding a manpage that, currently, is a mere placeholder saying “please see foocommand --help”, giving none of the useful information normally found in a manpage. ... I have submitted a manpage

Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta

2009-03-02 Thread Carsten Hey
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 09:44:41PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: You have a case here where the user has managed to run a complete system for a non-negligible period of time without ever installing an MTA (long enough to either configure oldstable in their sources.list, or for the version of

Re: Making some tags mandatory

2009-03-02 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Enrico Zini wrote: The way I see it, the last thread on sections has opened a bit of a can of worms: now first everyone will want a section for their favourite topic, then there is going to be a fight on which one to pick in case packages that could belong to more than one

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@gmail.com writes: But, on the other hand, please do not try to stress that the debian fork is as good as Schillings. It is not necessary, the non-free argument is enough!

Re: CC Attribution ShareALike (CC-by-sa) 3.0

2009-03-02 Thread MJ Ray
Holger Levsen holger at layer-acht.org writes: On Freitag, 27. Februar 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: ISTR (some of) -legal@ saying not DFSG-compliant, some people on -legal will always disagree, what counts more is the (rough) consenus... Sure, but I thought we had an explicit consensus

Bug#517852: ITP: libtest-www-mechanize-catalyst-perl -- Test::WWW::Mechanize for Catalyst

2009-03-02 Thread eloy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Krzysztof Krzyżaniak (eloy) e...@debian.org * Package name: libtest-www-mechanize-catalyst-perl Version : 0.50 Upstream Author : Ash Berlin a...@cpan.org (current maintiner) * URL :

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: The license issue is problematic, especially since copyright laws differ in different countries. Derivative works is an especially tricky concept since it is so poorly defined in law, and the courts have been all

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread Sylvain Rochet
Hi, On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:02:08AM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: What does this have over PowerDNS? Probably nothing, else that I am using it and packaging it for my own and thought that it would be a good idea to contribute to Debian, is redundancy a problem ? Sylvain signature.asc

Re: Making some tags mandatory

2009-03-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:59:46PM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:01:49PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 02:42 +0100, Carsten Hey wrote: Deborphan needs a way to detect shared libraries ... [...] There is already a role::plugin which should apply

Re: Making some tags mandatory

2009-03-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 09:18:05AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: I don't know the mechanism by which ‘foofacet::TODO’ triggers creation of a new tag, but the meaning is clearer at least. There is currently no such trigger, but it's easy to produce[1] a package list for such a tag and check if there

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: ... No they are NOT irrelevant. For the users, that is the key. And surely it is the users ( the customers) who should be the prime consideration. I

Bug#517882: RFP: clam-networkeditor -- CLAM Network Editor, prototyping tool for CLAM

2009-03-02 Thread David García Garzón
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: clam-networkeditor Version : 1.4.0~svn Upstream Author : CLAM Team c...@iua.upf.edu * URL : http://clam.iua.upf.edu * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread George Danchev
On Monday 02 March 2009 19:59:00 Bill Unruh wrote: --cut-- Agreed, both sides have to come to the conclusion that they are operating legally. On the plus side, Schilling would like to have his software distributed in the distros. He is also strongly of the opinion that there is no legal

Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta

2009-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Mar 01 2009, Carsten Hey wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:55:23PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: We could have a exim4 upload implementing in sid this rather quickly after receiving a go. In general I much prefer a virtual package over a real one but I think we should wait a bit

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon Josefsson dijo [Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:22:52AM +0100]: How about submitting a patch to use help2man instead? http://www.gnu.org/software/help2man/ Then the man page will be kept up to date with --help output. Possibly the document around the man page requirement could point to

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: The license issue is problematic, especially since copyright laws differ in different countries. Derivative works is an especially tricky concept since it is so poorly

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread brian m. carlson
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:22:52AM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: How about submitting a patch to use help2man instead? http://www.gnu.org/software/help2man/ Then the man page will be kept up to date with --help output. help2man is a fine starting point for a manpage, but unless the help

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Adeodato Simó
* brian m. carlson [Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:45:22 +]: help2man is a fine starting point for a manpage, but unless the help messages are very verbose, it is not sufficient. A manpage needs to explain all the possibilities and interactions between different options that are usually not

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread David Bremner
At Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:29:06 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Hmh, this could even be promoted as a best packaging practice. Many authors do ship properly-formatted --help entries, and our hand-generated manpages can often linger behind the truth. Any strong opinions against? Not to rehash an old

Re: Proposal to improve package configuration upgrades

2009-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Feb 26 2009, Harald Braumann wrote: But there are 3 possible situations here: 1. value has been changed between the last and the new maintainer version 2. value was modified locally 3. both of the above Well, a complete analysis of the situations ucf faces are at [0] and

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Mar 02 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: Agreed, both sides have to come to the conclusion that they are operating legally. On the plus side, Schilling would like to have his software distributed in the distros. He is also strongly of the opinion that there is no legal impediment to that

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Mar 02 2009, Adeodato Simó wrote: Many times the problem is that upstreams do provide such adequate documentation... in other formats than man pages. What should the packager do in that case? Create a dummy man page pointing out to eg. /usr/share/doc/foopkg/html/fooprog.html? Copy

Bug#517906: O: uucp - unix to unix copy

2009-03-02 Thread Peter Palfrader
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hi, I'm orphaning uucp, the unix to unix copy program. I haven't had a UUCP setup it in a few years now, and I therefore haven't had any chance to ensure stuff is continuing to work. Apparently something in lenny broke in.uucpd (see #517726). I should have

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: Agreed, both sides have to come to the conclusion that they are operating legally. On the plus side, Schilling would like to have his software distributed in the distros. He is also strongly of the opinion that there is no legal impediment to that happening.

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Bernd Schubert bernd.schub...@fastmail.fm wrote: Since the release of Lenny, I have installed arround 60 Workstaions, but making tararchives of the original installation  and  reinstalled  Lenny from scratch, using the first binary DVD and the rest over Net. Nearly

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 mars 2009 à 09:59 -0800, Bill Unruh a écrit : without legal impediment). Now the question is, is there some way of clearing out the underbrush so that both sides agree that there is no impediment. What you mean is: “Both sides should agree that Jörg Schilling is right”. How do you

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 04:42:19PM +0100, Sylvain Rochet wrote: Hi, On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:02:08AM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: What does this have over PowerDNS? Probably nothing, else that I am using it and packaging it for my own and thought that it would be a good idea to

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: If Red Hat wants to pay someone to put up with it, that's their call; it's a lot easier to be polite in the face of an unending stream of personal abuse if you're getting a paycheck for doing it. If Red Hat was to do this, then it would

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009, Russell Coker wrote: Bernd, I (with my DD or upstream developer hat on) understand your sentiment. But I also (with my consultant or end-user hat on) find it impossible to implement. It's not that it's impossible to implement, it's just that the resources that could

Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Piotr Ożarowski, 2009-02-18] [...] it's time however to decide which one will be my winner - I'll decide that in next weeks (maybe months, but it will happen sooner than later Since nobody is interested in having the tools binary compatible[1] (and, to be honest, I cared about opinion of two

Bug#517910: RFP: clam-chordata -- CLAM Chordata, chord detection tool

2009-03-02 Thread David García Garzón
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: clam-chordata Version : 1.0.0~svn Upstream Author : CLAM Team c...@iua.upf.edu * URL : http://clam-project.org * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description

Bug#517915: ITP: oneswarm -- friend-to-friend client: p2p data sharing with explicit privacy control

2009-03-02 Thread Per Andersson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com * Package name: oneswarm Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Tomas Isdal et al. * URL : http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/ * License : GPLv2, LGPL, Apache, nc-sa3, CPLv1 Programming Lang:

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:10:21PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:02:08AM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: What does this have over PowerDNS? Probably nothing, else that I am using it and packaging it for my own and thought that it would be a good idea to

Re: Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Piotr Ożarowski pi...@debian.org wrote: [Piotr Ożarowski, 2009-02-18] [...] it's time however to decide which one will be my winner - I'll decide that in next weeks (maybe months, but it will happen sooner than later Since nobody is interested in having the

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Ben Hutchings [Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:10:21 +]: On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 04:42:19PM +0100, Sylvain Rochet wrote: Hi, On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:02:08AM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: What does this have over PowerDNS? Probably nothing, else that I am using it and packaging it for my

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, Mar 02 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: Agreed, both sides have to come to the conclusion that they are operating legally. On the plus side, Schilling would like to have his software distributed in the distros. He is also strongly of the opinion

Re: Bug#517790: ITP: mydns -- DNS server using MySQL or PostgreSQL for data storage

2009-03-02 Thread Reinhard Tartler
William Pitcock neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk writes: What does this have over PowerDNS? AFAIUI it is a dependency of ispconfig3 (which is not packaged yet). -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Bug#517925: ITP: libio-socket-socks-perl -- IO::Socket::Socks

2009-03-02 Thread Pierre Neyron
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pierre Neyron pierre.ney...@free.fr * Package name: libio-socket-socks-perl Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Ryan Eatmon reat...@mail.com * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~reatmon/IO-Socket-Socks-0.1/ * License : Same as

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Finney
(Gunnar, and others, please don't send individual responses that you also send to the mailing list.) Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Hmh, this could even be promoted as a best packaging practice. Many authors do ship properly-formatted --help entries, and our hand-generated manpages can

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Bill Unruh said: All I am saying is that the two sides are NOT far apart on their goals. Both would like to distribute cdrtools, both want it to be open source and to allow people to make changes. That may have been true in 2004. I doubt it is any longer. If I

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
Again, let us separate out the ill feelings from the issues under dispute. I realise that it is very hard to forget history but since both sides believe that it is the user that is most important, that is whom we should keep our attention on. Schilling here says that all of cdrtools, except

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bernd Schubert
On Monday 02 March 2009, Russell Coker wrote: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Bernd Schubert bernd.schub...@fastmail.fm wrote: Since the release of Lenny, I have installed arround 60 Workstaions, but making tararchives of the original installation  and  reinstalled  Lenny from scratch, using the

Re: Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:17:52 +0100 Piotr Ożarowski pi...@debian.org napsal(a): Since nobody is interested in having the tools binary compatible[1] (and, to be honest, I cared about opinion of two guys only: Matthias voted no by not agreeing to use /usr/lib/pyshared and Joss expressed his

Re: Upcoming Section changes in the archive

2009-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Joerg Jaspert, le Fri 27 Feb 2009 09:02:11 +0100, a écrit : Maybe it could be interesting to open an accessibility section? Maybe, maybe not. What packages would you put into it? Just a quick rough list (90 bin packages): accerciser at-spi at-spi-doc big-cursor brltty brltty-flite

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:04:39PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: The response from the maintainer (who is also the upstream author) so far is, essentially, “Patches welcome, but I'm not interested in maintaining manpages”. I have submitted a manpage as a patch. However, that response pretty

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 2. März 2009, Russell Coker wrote: There is the alien program to convert an RPM to a .deb. Is there a way of also automatically tracking the upstream (Fedora or CentOS) version of the package and downloading a new version (with signature checks) when it becomes available?

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread James Vega
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:41:54PM -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: Thus, is it correct that the issue centers around mkisofs, a program which is under the GPL2 license and is linked with libscg, a CDDL licensed library? Is this where the dispute lies? If so, exactly what is the nature of the legal

the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
The upstream maintainers decided that in the future the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ will be processed only if they have a .conf suffix. The latest module-init-tool release complains loudly for each one and still processes them, but this will change. Please update your packages at the time of your

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: If you did try to disallow GPLd programs to link against independent non-GPL libraries, you would make _any_ GPLd program undistributable in binary form. This is absolute bullshit. Of course it is forbidden to link GPL programs against

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: Again, let us separate out the ill feelings from the issues under dispute. I realise that it is very hard to forget history but since both sides believe that it is the user that is most important, that is whom we should keep our attention on.

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:43:53AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: The upstream maintainers decided that in the future the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ will be processed only if they have a .conf suffix. What is the point of this change, except to force an annoying transition on people? -- Steve

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, James Vega wrote: On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:41:54PM -0800, Bill Unruh wrote: Thus, is it correct that the issue centers around mkisofs, a program which is under the GPL2 license and is linked with libscg, a CDDL licensed library? Is this where the dispute lies? If so,

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:31:36AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: I asked Eben Moglen: The way I read the GPLv2, the system exception in section 3 only gives you the permission to omit the system parts from the complete source. Where do you see additional differences to other code

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: The OS exception in the GPL just allows you to omit things like libc from the complete source. The The OS exception in the GPL does not allow you to treat license compatibility between GPL code and system libraries different from license

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:38:20PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: The current state of Eduard Bloch at Debian is suspended. No, it isn't. When will the state of Eduard Bloch be changed from suspended to thrown out? It won't. He is still a member in good standing of the Debian community, and

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 03 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: The OS exception in the GPL just allows you to omit things like libc from the complete source. The The OS exception in the GPL does not allow you to treat license compatibility between GPL code and system

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:22:57PM -0600]: Hmh, this could even be promoted as a best packaging practice. Many authors do ship properly-formatted --help entries, and our hand-generated manpages can often linger behind the truth. Any strong opinions against?

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 03, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:43:53AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: The upstream maintainers decided that in the future the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ will be processed only if they have a .conf suffix. What is the point of this change, except to

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: libschilly as distributed by Debian is not a System Library, because it is part of the cdrtools work, does not implement a Standard Interface, nor is it included in the normal form of packaging a Major component, nor does it serve

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes: If libschilly met the criteria for being a System Library then it probably have been packaged for use by other programs. If you want to make a case for including libschilly as a System Library then please provide a list of some of the other programs

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: The fact that Debian does not currently distribute libschilly further indicates that it isn't a System Library. This is a bit of chicken and egg isn't it? No, because unlike the chicken and the egg,[0] if we take

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Russell Coker wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: libschilly as distributed by Debian is not a System Library, because it is part of the cdrtools work, does not implement a Standard Interface, nor is it included in the normal form of packaging

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: . I believe that you mean the above to apply to mkisofs, not to cdrtools, which is a bunch of different program. The programs which are purely CDDL I assume you have

Bug#517943: ITP: libchemistry-formula-perl -- enumerate elements in a chemical formula

2009-03-02 Thread Carlo Segre
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Carlo Segre se...@debian.org * Package name: libchemistry-formula-perl Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : Bruce Ravel bra...@bnl.gov * URL : http://cars9.uchicago.edu/svn/libperlxray * License : Artistic Programming

Bug#517945: ITP: libxray-absorption-perl -- x-ray absorption data for the elements

2009-03-02 Thread Carlo Segre
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Carlo Segre se...@debian.org * Package name: libxray-absorption-perl Version : 2.0.1 Upstream Author : Bruce Ravel bra...@bnl.gov * URL : http://cars9.uchicago.edu/svn/libperlxray * License : Artistic Programming Lang:

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2009-03-02 kello 14:19 -0600, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti: Then, every few revisions, I would resync the man page. I consider this just one of the things that Debian maintainedrs ought to do -- I mean, we are not just glorified packagers. We could aid this process by having a tool

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Joey Hess
Thought this would be a good opportunity to remind y'all about dh_installmodules(1), which can handle modprobe.d files in addition to kernel modules. Most packages shipping files in modprobe.d seem to generate the files via echo statements in debian/rules, rather than using it. dh_installmodules

Bug#517946: ITP: libxray-scattering-perl -- x-ray scattering data for the elements

2009-03-02 Thread Carlo Segre
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Carlo Segre se...@debian.org * Package name: libxray-scattering-perl Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Bruce Ravel bra...@bnl.gov * URL : http://cars9.uchicago.edu/svn/libperlxray * License : Artistic Programming Lang:

Bug#517947: ITP: libxray-spacegroup-perl -- symmetry operations for the crystal space groups

2009-03-02 Thread Carlo Segre
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Carlo Segre se...@debian.org * Package name: libxray-spacegroup-perl Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Bruce Ravel bra...@bnl.gov * URL : http://cars9.uchicago.edu/svn/libperlxray * License : Artistic Programming Lang:

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: Also please note that there is nothing stopping you from building your own packages of any software you like that isn't in Debian and hosting them on your own web server. It's really not difficult to do. Bill, you could become

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: He certainly does claim to be the copyright holder and as having the right to license them under CDDL, and I think barring solid evidence to the contrary, one should accept him at his word. Given the evidence that's been presented in the past that

Bug#517948: ITP: yasnippet -- A template system for Emacs

2009-03-02 Thread Julián Hernández Gómez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Julián Hernández Gómez julianhernan...@gmail.com * Package name: yasnippet Version : 0.5.10 Upstream Author : pluskid plus...@gmail.com * URL : http://code.google.com/p/yasnippet/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: Emacs

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: He certainly does claim to be the copyright holder and as having the right to license them under CDDL, and I think barring solid evidence to the contrary, one should accept him at his word. TPMDIR=$(mktemp -d); cd $TMPDIR; wget -O-

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:09:52AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Mar 03, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:43:53AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: The upstream maintainers decided that in the future the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ will be processed only if they

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:02:11PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: winge Insert the typical winge here about dpkg conffile renaming code being deployed via cut-n-paste from a wiki page instead of any of our better technologies, such as a utility, with a man page, in a single package. /winge It

Re: Requirement for a “pro per manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 12:10:09AM +, Roger Leigh a écrit : crap maintainer bloody lazy. I thought I was doing something good when writing manpages, now I realise what I am for not writing enough : « responsable de merde putain de feignant » (translated in my language). Thank you for

Re: Requirement for a “proper manpage” for every command

2009-03-02 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Ben Finney wrote: Wording and tone aside, is that expectation reasonable? Yes. What course of action is open to a user of the package, with a maintainer who has made it plain they're not interested in following (this part of) policy? There's nothing direct you can do as user. As a

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: He certainly does claim to be the copyright holder and as having the right to license them under CDDL, and I think barring solid evidence to the contrary, one should accept him at his word. TPMDIR=$(mktemp -d);

conffile renaming and other sh snippets for maintainer scripts

2009-03-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 08:01:42PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: It would of course have to be in an Essential: yes package, since conffile renaming has to be handled in the package preinst and we wouldn't want conffile handling to involve lots of extra Pre-Depends. dpkg itself is the most

Re: conffile renaming and other sh snippets for maintainer scripts

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 08:01:42PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: It would of course have to be in an Essential: yes package, since conffile renaming has to be handled in the package preinst and we wouldn't want conffile handling to involve lots of

Accepted php-openid 2.1.2-2 (source all)

2009-03-02 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:58:54 +0100 Source: php-openid Binary: php-openid Architecture: source all Version: 2.1.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jan Hauke Rahm i...@jhr-online.de Changed-By: Jan Hauke Rahm

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