On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Sure. It would be great to have another implementation, perhaps
one that people can play with (something that, for example, one can
pipe the output of a grep-dctrl command to, and get an html snippet
from (hey, that can then be packaged as an i
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote:
For the sorts of markup our
descriptions have now it'll be fine, but it's my experience that when
you give people a hammer they start hitting everything that's vaguely
nail-shaped with it. :-)
ROFL.
The whole time of discussion was well spent just for
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> instead. $* doesn't quote its arguments, and the above works around a
> portability problem with $@ (see the Autoconf manual).
Thanks, added.
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Paul Wise writes:
> Here is what I plan to send upstream:
>
> cur_v=`echo "$timestamp" | sed s/-//g`
>
> for path in \
> "$HOME/.config/automake" \
> /usr/local/share/automake \
> /usr/local/share/misc \
> /usr/share/automake \
> /usr/share/misc \
> ; do
>
> if test -x "$path/co
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Mike Hommey wrote:
> It unfortunately wouldn't work for the same reason config.{guess,sub}
> updates don't work, and more. It would need to be incorporated upstream,
> and all debian sources using config.{guess,sub} should be updated to
> these newer versions. Tha
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:22:24AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bradley Smith wrote:
>
> > As some of you may be aware, myself and a few others are working towards
> > an AVR32 port of Debian, which is now making good progress. One problem
> > we've come across is si
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 09:31:31AM +0200, Andreas Tille was
heard to say:
> Moreover I see no reason to bind anybody to a certain library
> like markdown. My experience has shown that people will insist
> on their very own way to do things. Do you think apt, aptitude,
> synaptic etc. developers
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bradley Smith wrote:
> As some of you may be aware, myself and a few others are working towards
> an AVR32 port of Debian, which is now making good progress. One problem
> we've come across is since AVR32 is such a new architecture, a fair few
> packages have conf
Russ Allbery writes:
> As with any other Debian package, the best approach for adoption is to
> get the patches adopted upstream so that everyone can benefit and we
> don't have to maintain local divergences. It sounds like Ben Hutchings
> and the Debian kernel team have been doing great work in
Le Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:27:32AM +, w...@debian.org a écrit :
>
>mktemp (#524755), orphaned 4 days ago
> Description: tool for creating temporary files
> Installations reported by Popcon: 84509
Hi Clint,
you wrote in the WNPP bug:
I intend to orphan the mktemp package.
In article <20090423163842.ge7...@anguilla.noreply.org> you wrote:
> I regularly* use ntpdate -u -q -d (unpriv, query, debug). It's useful
> for debugging or just querying other ntp servers. Does the ntpd suite
> provide anything with similar functionality?
I think ntpdc can provide most of that
Ben Finney writes:
> Okay. So I take it then that you would be against separate packaging
> for Linux-Libre for Debian, and prefer instead to apply all its
> changes to Debian's Linux?
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I feel the urge to weigh in.
I think the removal of even the ability t
Ben Hutchings writes:
> What I meant was that all the firmware blobs reported as bugs in the
> lenny kernel are gone in sid, either through upstream changes or new
> Debian patches. A few more, found later, will be gone in the 2.6.30
> package.
Right. So we agree than what Robert has announced
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 23:37 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Ben Hutchings writes:
>
> > On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 20:32 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > I understand that this packages Linux Libre, which is somewhat
> > > different from the Debian ‘linux-image’ kernel. What is the
> > > likelihood that this
On Thu, Apr 23 2009, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>>While I can't speak for the policy team (I have not been
>> re-delegated yet), I suspect the answer might be to get a working
>> implementation out in the wild (it does not have to be packages.d.o
On 00:27 Fri 24 Apr , w...@debian.org wrote:
>fte (#525314), orphaned today
> Description: Text editor for programmers - base package
> Reverse Depends: fte fte-console fte-docs fte-terminal fte-xwindow
> Installations reported by Popcon: 244
Im about to package eFTE[1], whi
Adeodato Simó writes:
> To an hypothetical person that would deeply care about not running
> non-free software, does that provide any real gain/benefit/improvement
> over running a kernel full of request_firmware() calls, and never
> installing a firmware package from non-free in their systems? H
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 407 (new: 8)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 120 (new: 2)
Total number of packages request
Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Peter Eisentraut (pet...@debian.org):
>
>> Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better
>> ask
>> here for objections.
>>
>> Would there be a possibility to prove some kind of wrapper for those
>> among our users who might have v
Quoting Peter Eisentraut (pet...@debian.org):
> Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better
> ask
> here for objections.
Would there be a possibility to prove some kind of wrapper for those
among our users who might have various local stuff that are using
ntpdate
On Apr 23, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> To an hypothetical person that would deeply care about not running
> non-free software, does that provide any real gain/benefit/improvement
> over running a kernel full of request_firmware() calls, and never
> installing a firmware package from non-free in their
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
While I can't speak for the policy team (I have not been
re-delegated yet), I suspect the answer might be to get a working
implementation out in the wild (it does not have to be packages.d.o or
anything official -- even a standalone software th
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:19:07 +0200
Stefan Ott wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut
> wrote:
>
> > Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd
> > better ask here for objections.
>
> I still use it when a system's clock is way off and I just want it t
+ Paul Wise (Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:13:11 +0800):
> linux-libre goes further and removes even the request_firmware calls
> for non-free firmware:
To an hypothetical person that would deeply care about not running
non-free software, does that provide any real gain/benefit/improvement
over running a k
Le vendredi 24 avril 2009 à 00:12 +0930, Karl Goetz a écrit :
> Its not like you appreciate them (users/lurkers, call them what you
> will) announcing it on -dev ... (Your not a DD, so STFU etc)
You must be mistaking Marco with a former DPL.
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On Apr 23, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better
> ask
> here for objections.
If it's going to removed from the upstream package then we should follow.
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On Thu, Apr 23 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Considering all this thread, can you please summarize the point of
> view of policy maintainers on the issue? (which is why I added back
> the -policy Cc: in the first place)
While I can't speak for the policy team (I have not been
re-del
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> As described in bug #514318 and elsewhere, the upstream NTP Project has
> deprecated the ntpdate program a long time ago, and it may be time to drop it
> from the Debian distribution.
> Most of the functionality of ntpdate is now provided by ntpd (
On Do, 23 Apr 2009, Stefan Ott wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
> > Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better
> > ask
> > here for objections.
>
> I still use it when a system's clock is way off and I just want it to
Sorry for c
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask
> here for objections.
I still use it when a system's clock is way off and I just want it to
be set to the right time, right now. I guess there are options to n
As described in bug #514318 and elsewhere, the upstream NTP Project has
deprecated the ntpdate program a long time ago, and it may be time to drop it
from the Debian distribution.
Most of the functionality of ntpdate is now provided by ntpd (stepping the
clock without threshold, stepping the cl
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:11:42 +0200
Michael Meskes wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:12:21AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:11 +0200
> > m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
> > ...
> > > Lurkers told you so in private mails?
> >
> > Its not like you appreciate them (user
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:12:21AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:11 +0200
> m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
> ...
> > Lurkers told you so in private mails?
>
> Its not like you appreciate them (users/lurkers, call them what you
> will) announcing it on -dev ... (Your not
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:11 +0200
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
> On Apr 23, Robert Millan wrote:
>
> > In spite that you don't, I'm certain many of our users will
> > appreciate this.
> Lurkers told you so in private mails?
Its not like you appreciate them (users/lurkers, call them what
Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>>> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>>
>>> For these two reason (power and security), I think Debian should offer
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 20:32 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > I understand that this packages Linux Libre, which is somewhat
> > different from the Debian ‘linux-image’ kernel. What is the
> > likelihood that this work will make its way into Debian main as a
> > supported optio
wrote:
>Michael Biebl writes:
>
>> See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC
>> media
>> change notification is broken.
>
>Err. You are using the "broken firmware" argument both ways.
>
>You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinning up:
>Implemen
wrote:
>You'll save between 0.5 and 1.5 W by enabling SATA Aggressive Link Power
>Management according to http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php As this
>definitely is measurable, I assume that your measurements have been done
>without enabling ALPM? Or maybe the power saving estimated by lessw
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:38:07AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2009-04-23, Olivier Berger wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 22:52 +0200, Guido Günther a écrit :
> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:11:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> >
> >> > sure - but where was this meeting ann
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:41:52PM +0200, Michael Tautschnig
wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As some of you may be aware, myself and a few others are working towards
> > an AVR32 port of Debian, which is now making good progress. One problem
> > we've come across is since AVR32 is such a new architecture
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Robert Millan wrote:
[...]
> This is to announce that Debian packages of Linux-libre [2] are now available
> for Lenny users who want to use them:
>
> deb http://people.debian.org/~rmh/linux-libre lenny main
>
> Archive key is attached in this signed mail; it is also available from:
>
> ht
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 18:13 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
[...]
> linux-libre goes further and removes even the request_firmware calls
> for non-free firmware:
>
> http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/Alexandre_Olivia_-_Linux_Libre_-_LibrePlanet_2009.spx
> http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Alexandre_Oliva_%28LP09%
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 20:32 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Robert Millan writes:
>
> > The decision to include non-free firmware in Lenny concerns the whole
> > project.
> >
> > Providing support for some of our users who would have otherwise been
> > excluded by this decision is, therefore, somethi
Bradley Smith (23/04/2009):
> That's certainly some of them yes, but lintian only seems to check for
> files from earlier than 2004, however AVR32 was only added on
> 6/6/2006, so there are certainly considerably more than those.
Seems like a valid reason to request bumping the date check in lint
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Michael Biebl writes:
>
>> See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC
>> media
>> change notification is broken.
>
> Err. You are using the "broken firmware" argument both ways.
>
> You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinni
Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Roger Leigh dijo [Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:49:54PM +0100]:
>>> How shall I answer that?
>>> I know that I myself use auto-mounting extensively and also don't expect my
>>> father to type someting like "mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom"
>> Absolutely, but this is a separate issue. Yo
Didier Raboud wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>>> No, users should file bugs if their HW is broken so that those can be
>>> blacklisted too.
>> Are you joking?
>> For one year that user could not use debian stable?
>>
>> BTW for one reported bug, there are 10 u
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:41:52 +0200
Michael Tautschnig wrote:
> I guess the proper solution is copying config.{sub,guess}
> from /usr/share/misc/ and removing them in clean. If that is the case,
> wouldn't the list of possibly buggy packages be [1]?
That's certainly some of them yes, but lintian
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>>> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Michael Biebl wrote:
> Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>
>> For these two reason (power and security), I think Debian should offer
>> a debconf question, (mediu
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may be aware, myself and a few others are working towards
> an AVR32 port of Debian, which is now making good progress. One problem
> we've come across is since AVR32 is such a new architecture, a fair few
> packages have config.{sub,guess} files that are missing the archi
On Apr 23, Robert Millan wrote:
> In spite that you don't, I'm certain many of our users will appreciate this.
Lurkers told you so in private mails?
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Robert Millan writes:
> The decision to include non-free firmware in Lenny concerns the whole
> project.
>
> Providing support for some of our users who would have otherwise been
> excluded by this decision is, therefore, something that concerns the
> whole project as well.
Thanks for providing
Hi,
As some of you may be aware, myself and a few others are working towards
an AVR32 port of Debian, which is now making good progress. One problem
we've come across is since AVR32 is such a new architecture, a fair few
packages have config.{sub,guess} files that are missing the architecture
and
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Robert Millan wrote:
> In spite that you don't, I'm certain many of our users will appreciate this.
Be that as it may, debian-*DEVEL*-announce is not the way to contact our
users. Instead it's the only must-read list for our developers to keep
informed of stuff that's import
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:52:45AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Robert Millan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you probably know, back in December last year it was decided [1] that the
> > Linux package shipped with Debian Lenny would include non-free
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM, maximilian attems wrote:
> no point in posting that to devel announce.
Agreed.
> this work is pointless
Only if you think FSF-free is pointless, obviously that isn't everyone.
> if you want a working and dfsg free converging linux-2.6 use our sid packages.
> w
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:21:56AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
>
> As you probably know, back in December last year it was decided [1] that the
> Linux package shipped with Debian Lenny would include non-free code in it
> (so-called "blobs" of binary-only firmware).
>
> While the majority of the
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Robert Millan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As you probably know, back in December last year it was decided [1] that the
> Linux package shipped with Debian Lenny would include non-free code in it
> (so-called "blobs" of binary-only firmware).
This still does NOT
On 2009-04-23, Olivier Berger wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 22:52 +0200, Guido Günther a écrit :
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:11:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>> > sure - but where was this meeting announced? I was pretty surprised by the
>> We contacted the various groupware
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:44:24AM +0300, Marc-André Lureau wrote:
> 2009/4/23 Josselin Mouette :
> > The package name doesn’t sound really helpful. How about something like
> > gedit-plugins-vala?
>
> I fully agree. However, upstream name is vtg. I am not familiar with
> policy about upstream pac
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:22:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:36:31PM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote:
> >> No. Adding blank lines before lists is also required.
> > ... so, agreed. The extra price to pay to use Markdo
Hi.
Le mercredi 22 avril 2009 à 22:52 +0200, Guido Günther a écrit :
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:11:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > sure - but where was this meeting announced? I was pretty surprised by the
> We contacted the various groupware maintainers as well as the groupware
> related
Michael Biebl writes:
> See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC media
> change notification is broken.
Err. You are using the "broken firmware" argument both ways.
You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinning up:
Implement a blacklist of devi
Matthew Garrett writes:
> powertop makes various recommendations that are only useful in very
> specific circumstances. Disabling polling in hal saves you a small (and
> probably not useful in the real world) amount of power, but is required
> to get to the number of wakeups per second that Arjan
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