On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the
difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released
on 23 july 2009) can tell the difference between QEMU and KVM, and can
tell
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes:
On 2009-07-25, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
The existing dash package uses dpkg-divert, which is unsuitable on a
larger scale (larger than the one dash package). And to have bash
removable dash has to force itself as /bin/sh. So there
I have also some thoughs about DPL talk:
Debian is NOT an universal operating system.
Debian is going in direction to be an universal collection
of OSes.
1- One size fits all ?
IMHO the universal os seems to imply this. I don't agree.
We need different solutions. IMHO embedian is an example
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the
difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released
on 23 july 2009) can tell the difference between QEMU
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Florian Weimerf...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
Separate debug information objects [name?] must be installed under
/usr/lib/debug. The file name must be the result of calling
realpath() on the path to the actual DSO containing code, prepended
with the string
* Paul Wise:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Florian Weimerf...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
Separate debug information objects [name?] must be installed under
/usr/lib/debug. The file name must be the result of calling
realpath() on the path to the actual DSO containing code, prepended
with
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Mark Allums wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the
difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released
on 23 july
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Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de (24/07/2009):
Give me the freedom to choose.
It looks like we just reached the “Linux is about choice” Goswin point.
Mraw,
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Hi,
in the talk you said you add a choice for /bin/sh and you add more
freedom.
The choice being that the admin may dpkg-divert /bin/sh to whatever
shell he wants and he then can fix whatever breaks. Great. We already
have exactly that now. There is nothing added. No mechanism and no
assurances
2009/7/26 Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be:
## BANNER { http://www.debian.org/banners/3.1/sarge-ban1-6.png }
Universal operating system #...@!
First of all, let's make it clear, Debian is not THE universal operating
system. I mean it is definitely not the one and only OS.
As said in the talk @
* Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be [090726 00:23]:
Why many Debian users and Developers are really happy with this Univeral
OS concept?
To provoke some thought, consider the following calculation:
Assume everything is only made to suite 90% of the people. How many
packages do you need to have a
[No need to send me copies of replies, thanks]
Hi,
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Hi,
in the talk you said you add a choice for /bin/sh and you add more
freedom.
True.
The choice being that the admin may dpkg-divert /bin/sh to whatever
shell he wants and he then can fix whatever breaks.
Hi,
I haven't jumped into this discussion it but it starts annoying me...
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
The choice being that the admin may dpkg-divert /bin/sh to whatever
shell he wants and he then can fix whatever breaks. Great. We already
have exactly that now. There is
Hi,
Thanks for the introduction.
2009/7/25 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de:
after listening to the Multiarch round table talk at Debconf I feel
that the talk was targeted at people already familiar with the subject
and jumped right in at full speed. Someone new to the idea was
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:57:12PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Hi,
after listening to the Multiarch round table talk at Debconf I feel
that the talk was targeted at people already familiar with the subject
and jumped right in at full speed. Someone new to the idea was
probably lost
Hi Sam,
on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 16:53 -0400, you wrote:
Siggy == Siggy Brentrup deb...@psycho.i21k.de writes:
[snipping nonsense and reply]
My sincere apologies for that nonsense, my only excuse is that I was
overtired and I'm quite concerned about this issue not being solved in
5 years I've
Hi list,
apologies again for the nonsense I uttered in another thread on this
issue.
I've been off list for more than 5 years now and I remember the
discussion on changing the default system shell to be recurring every
now and then in '03-'04. Arguments were essentially the same as
nowadays
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 05:06:02PM +0900, akira yamada wrote:
(We have already ruby1.9 package. But this package is needed for
transition to Ruby 1.9.1 from Ruby 1.9.0. Please refer to debian-ruby
list if you have questions.)
I don't know; maybe you should explain while you need a transition
Hello,
waf has been recently sponsored and it's currently in NEW (until it
lasts, you can see its details at [1]).
waf preferred design is to provide a self-unpacking Python script to be
installed into projects' root directories and then executed from there,
we adjusted it to be available
su, 2009-07-26 kello 13:36 +0200, Siggy Brentrup kirjoitti:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
while running an upgrade without fearing a maintainer script
fails?
Been there. Done that. Had no problems.
Also, Ubuntu, which mainly uses Debian
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 14:49 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
su, 2009-07-26 kello 13:36 +0200, Siggy Brentrup kirjoitti:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
while running an upgrade without fearing a maintainer script
fails?
Been there. Done
On 26/07/09 at 12:52 +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 05:06:02PM +0900, akira yamada wrote:
(We have already ruby1.9 package. But this package is needed for
transition to Ruby 1.9.1 from Ruby 1.9.0. Please refer to debian-ruby
list if you have questions.)
I don't
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk
I'm the upstream developer and I had been including a debian directory
with my releases for some time. I've just updated that and made it
lintian-clean with the intent of becoming the official (sponsored)
maintainer for it.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:09:11AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
libstdc++6-4.3-dbg does not currently follow this, which prompted me
to write this message:
Are this debugging symbols or complete debugging builds?
This is already a bug today because GDB can't find the objects (and my
code
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Hi,
Hi
in the talk you said you add a choice for /bin/sh and you add more
freedom.
The choice being that the admin may dpkg-divert /bin/sh to whatever
shell he wants and he then can fix whatever breaks. Great. We already
have exactly that now. There is nothing
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
So the deconf thing is purely a temporary thing and goes away. There
won't be a choice left. Users will just get /bin/sh pointing to dash
period.
No, /bin/sh is shipped to guarantee a symlink.
I take this to
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
You say that dash is configurable as /bin/sh via debconf but in the
next sentence you say you want dash to ship a /bin/sh link to dash. So
the deconf thing is purely a temporary thing and goes away. There
won't be a choice
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
A faster and smaller default system shell is important to a lot of our
users.
I see this asserted a lot. I am pretty sure that the average
user very likely does not care. The embedded system
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
while running an upgrade without fearing a maintainer script
fails?
I think that any script failure when using dash or bash as
/bin/sh would represent a
Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2009-07-23, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
In addition all shells supported as defaults would need to be included
on CD images. And the selected shell would of course have to be set as
the default for new users.
Strike the of course. If I want my users to have
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 09:58 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
while running an upgrade without fearing a maintainer script
fails?
I think that any script
Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote:
First of all, let's make it clear, Debian is not THE universal
operating system. I mean it is definitely not the one and only OS.
As said in the talk @ Debconf: this is just a slogan.
Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: A Mennucc deb...@mennucci.sns.it
* Package name: dvbstreamer
Version : 2~svn
Upstream Author : Adam Charrett charrea6 at users.sourceforge.net et al
* URL : https://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbstreamer/
* License : GPL 2
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 02:04:51PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
Been there. Done that. Had no problems.
Been there too. Done that too. Had no problems as well.
I'm not sure about it because there were lots of
Hi Stefano,
you must have missed my followup to Manoj.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 18:35 +0200, you wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 02:04:51PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave
/bin/sh - dash
Been there. Done that. Had no
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 05:08:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
On upgrades you are asked if you want to have dash as default system
shell unless you have dash already installed, then we leave it as
is.
On my unstable box I received dash a few days ago, because an upload of
bash started depending
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Philip G. Lee rocketman...@gmail.com
Package name: brewtarget
Version : 1.1
Upstream Author : Philip G. Lee rocketman...@gmail.com
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Programming
Hi,
I've built a small proof-of-concept library which creates Java-style
tracebacks for C and C++ programs. In contrast to libc's backtrace()
function, it uses DWARF debugging information when available, so the
output is generally quite useful. Debugging information is extracted
from the
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 01:51:43PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
Ryan Niebur ryanrya...@gmail.com
midori
It doesn't work with midori apparently...
$ /usr/bin/waf build
Waf: Entering directory `/server/home/ryan52/projects/deb/midori/midori/_build_'
Traceback (most recent call last):
Chris Lamb la...@debian.org writes:
Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is
our users) that actually means extremely little in practice, except for
generating lots of hot air with nobody agreeing.
Our priority is endless surreal flamewars over minor technicalities
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
Hi,
I haven't jumped into this discussion it but it starts annoying me...
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
The choice being that the admin may dpkg-divert /bin/sh to whatever
shell he wants and he then can fix whatever breaks.
Hector Oron hector.o...@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
Thanks for the introduction.
2009/7/25 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de:
after listening to the Multiarch round table talk at Debconf I feel
that the talk was targeted at people already familiar with the subject
and jumped right in at
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2009-07-23, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
In addition all shells supported as defaults would need to be included
on CD images. And the selected shell would of course have to be set as
the default for new users.
Strike the of
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
So the deconf thing is purely a temporary thing and goes away. There
won't be a choice left. Users will just get /bin/sh pointing to dash
period.
No, /bin/sh is shipped
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
A faster and smaller default system shell is important to a lot of our
users.
I see this asserted a lot. I am pretty sure that the average
user very
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I see this asserted a lot. I am pretty sure that the average
user very likely does not care. The embedded system folks certainly do
--- but I am not sure that the counter assertion that systems will
break if /bin/sh
On 2009-07-26 17:00, Miles Bader wrote:
Chris Lamb la...@debian.org writes:
Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is
our users) that actually means extremely little in practice, except for
generating lots of hot air with nobody agreeing.
Our priority is endless
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 05:08:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
On upgrades you are asked if you want to have dash as default system
shell unless you have dash already installed, then we leave it as
is.
On my unstable box I received dash a few
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Mark Allums wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the
difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I see this asserted a lot. I am pretty sure that the average
user very likely does not care. The embedded system folks certainly do
--- but I am not sure that the counter
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
You're correct of course. If we want to go this way there should be two
questions: one for the system shell to use and one for the default user
shell, each with per-arch defaults.
From the discussion there seem to be three groups:
- embedded: want to
On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-07-26 17:00, Miles Bader wrote:
Chris Lamb la...@debian.org writes:
Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is
our users) that actually means extremely little in practice, except for
generating lots of hot air with
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:53:55PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
If memory serves correctly, that slogan was added to the web
site without discussion, and was never ratified by the project,
though I do remember Bruce being very pleased about it.
It certainly has not been
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