Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2010-07-22 08:11 (UTC), j. jj wrote: > To attract more people to debian, some particular features are need to > show to the world. Debian's attractiveness (or perhaps the lack of it) is probably a sum of several different things. I think one of those things is the front page

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, jj: On Thursday 22 July 2010 10:11:34 j jj wrote: > Years ago, when I chose which linux should be installed to my computer, it > is dpkg which attracted me.  No other linux systems have such a feature. > > However, ubuntu and redhat both have the same feature now. > > The question is : what is

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Russ: On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:55:52 Russ Allbery wrote: > Will writes: > > 1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> This one always boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present > >> Debian unstable or testing as the "typical" installation.  Debian > >> testing (and often Debi

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:36AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > >>> IMHO this is worth another thread how to make Debian more attractive for >>> users ... >>> > > I think it is bugous to ask such question. Why. > IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection, >

Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Christian PERRIER writes ("Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is > falling"): >> That number is decreasing. Is that *really* a surprise for anyone? >> These days, in 2010, who is really seriously thinking that, apart from >> a few hardcore geeks, someone who is

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Ben: On Thursday 22 July 2010 08:09:44 Ben Finney wrote: > Russ Allbery writes: > > This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always > > boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or > > testing as the "typical" installation. Debian testing (and often >

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Manoj: On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote: > > Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial > > support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that. > > One of the issues I have faced in

Better GoPlay [Was: How to make Debian more attractive for users]

2010-07-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 02:09:58PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > The Debian games team created goplay to help users discover games in > Debian. Perhaps this needs more promotion and more people creating > screenshots and probably a rewrite to look more flashy. When I have seen GoPlay I thought: Wha

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote: IMHO this is worth another thread how to make Debian more attractive for users ... I think it is bugous to ask such question. IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection, not about increasing the number of users (wh

Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 10:20 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: > On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote: > > They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as > > Debian and continuing growth: > > > > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ > > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/stat/sub-i386.pn

Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote: > They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as > Debian and continuing growth: > > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/stat/sub-i386.png Is it enabled by default without asking the user? (I didn't do an ubuntu instal

RE: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread j jj
Years ago, when I chose which linux should be installed to my computer, it is dpkg which attracted me.  No other linux systems have such a feature. However, ubuntu and redhat both have the same feature now. The question is : what is the feature which outstanding debian now? Maybe the only a

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Miguel Figueiredo
Em 21-07-2010 18:38, Hans-J. Ullrich escreveu: Hi community, [...] Hi all, from my personal experience, at management level these kind of questions are usual: - how much will it cost? do i need a bigger workforce? - Will everything work??? - if anything goest wrong the 'guys who sell it' c

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users

2010-07-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 16:09 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit : > Russ Allbery writes: > > > This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always > > boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or > > testing as the "typical" installation. Debian testing (and often

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 21 juillet 2010 à 23:15 +0200, Patrick Matthäi a écrit : > I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why? > We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them > mostly into the non-free linux-firmware image. If you think this is a problem, you cou

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