Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-12 Thread Josef Spillner
Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2010, 16:36:56 schrieb Ian Jackson: > This is easy: you just publish two trees, rather than two branches in > the same tree. (It's a shame that there isn't a syntax for "git > clone" which checks out a particular branch.) The --branch option to git-clone is going to cele

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Russ Allbery a écrit : > I don't think anyone disagrees with this, including the ftp-masters. The > question is whether the source package also needs a copyright file of its > own. As we are distributing these files, it seems reasonable to document their licence. But the Po

Re: RFH: How to compile swf files from source

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > [Stuff about .FLA files] As a follow-up, Martin Owens has written some code to extract FLA files: http://doctormo.org/2010/08/06/fla-extract/ http://doctormo.org/2010/08/04/flash-sources/ -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To

Re: QEMU HPPA image

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > QEMU doesn't emulate HPPA, that's why you can't find such an image. Looks like there is/was work in progress to do so though: http://hppaqemu.sourceforge.net/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/hppaqemu/ http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu/hppa.git Se

Bug#592819: ITP: librivescript-perl -- Simple trigger/response language primarily used for the creation of chatting robots

2010-08-12 Thread Onur Aslan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Onur Aslan * Package name: librivescript-perl Version : 1.20 Upstream Author : Noah Petherbridge * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~kirsle/RiveScript-1.20/ * License : GPL2 Programming Lang: Perl Description : Simpl

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 12/08/10 20:18, Russ Allbery wrote: > Felipe Sateler writes: >> On 12/08/10 16:21, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Tanguy Ortolo writes: Ian Jackson wrote: > >> I'd much rather you could just write in your .dsc a set of glob >> patterns for files to remove, somehow, which dpkg-source wou

Work-needing packages report for Aug 13, 2010

2010-08-12 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 587 (new: 5) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 139 (new: 0) Total number of packages request

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter Samuelson writes: > I agreed with Steve at the time, that files not shipped in a .deb need > not be documented in /usr/share/doc/foo/copyright shipped in the .deb; I don't think anyone disagrees with this, including the ftp-masters. The question is whether the source package also needs a

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Felipe Sateler writes: > On 12/08/10 16:21, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Tanguy Ortolo writes: >>> Ian Jackson wrote: > I'd much rather you could just write in your .dsc a set of glob > patterns for files to remove, somehow, which dpkg-source would > remove when you unpacked it (unless you

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Tanguy Ortolo] > > 2. Policy §2.2.1 is about packages. A source package containing some > > non-compilable-with-software-in-main code, but which rules do not make > > use of that code, neither by compiling it, nor by copying it to the > > binary packag

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 12/08/10 16:21, Russ Allbery wrote: > Tanguy Ortolo writes: > >> Ian Jackson wrote: I'd much rather you could just write in your .dsc a set of glob patterns for files to remove, somehow, which dpkg-source would remove when you unpacked it (unless you told it not to). > >> Well,

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Aug 12 11:51, Russ Allbery wrote: > > No. There is no sensible way to do this. The problem is inherent: > > the binary packages in main have to be rebuildable using the source > > package (and supporting binary packages eg compilers) in main. > > > If you have this situation you have to h

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Tanguy Ortolo] > 2. Policy §2.2.1 is about packages. A source package containing some > non-compilable-with-software-in-main code, but which rules do not make > use of that code, neither by compiling it, nor by copying it to the > binary package (that is, rules that /strip/ that code) needs, no p

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
I would like to narrow the discussion to my specific problem, as I have to make a decision to solve it. The dokuwiki upstream tarball contains a Flash applet, in both source and binary form. Only a proprietary tool can generate the binary from the source. This applet is only a minor component, tha

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > Thanks for this very detailed notes! Can you please also upload them as > attachment to the Penta event at > http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/691.en.html ? I've uploaded the notes as an attachment to the scheduled event inside Penta. They don't current

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Ian Jackson wrote: >>> I'd much rather you could just write in your .dsc a set of glob >>> patterns for files to remove, somehow, which dpkg-source would remove >>> when you unpacked it (unless you told it not to). > Well, I see no .dsc field that would allow such a thing

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Russ Allbery wrote: > Tanguy Ortolo writes: >> I did not find the documentation for the .dsc format, neither in the >> policy, nor in the reference, nor in dpkg-source(1)… > > Policy 5.4. > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-debiansourcecontrolfiles Thank you, I wond

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Is there a better way to achieve that than amnually editing the .dsc > file after each package build? By the way, I did not find the > documentation for the .dsc format, neither in the policy, nor in the > reference, nor in dpkg-source(1)… Policy 5.4. http://www.debian.o

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Ian Jackson a écrit : > I'd much rather you could just write in your .dsc a set of glob > patterns for files to remove, somehow, which dpkg-source would remove > when you unpacked it (unless you told it not to). Is there a better way to achieve that than amnually editing the

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le vendredi 13 août 2010, Lars Wirzenius a écrit : > On to, 2010-08-12 at 20:31 +0200, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: >> Non-free? According to the DFSG, are not they free? I cannot see any >> point of the DFSG that such a program, distributed both in source and >> compiled form, with a free license, compila

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Charlie Smotherman a écrit : > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 20:31 +0200, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: >> I thought they were only failing one policy condition to be in the free >> area, but not the DFSG. As the policy section 2.2.2 says: >> > Every package in contrib must comply with the DF

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2010-08-12 at 20:31 +0200, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: > Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Ian Jackson a écrit : > > The current approach of the project in these cases seems to be that > > the right thing to do is to rebuild the source package so that the > > non-free pieces are removed. > > Non-free? Accor

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Charlie Smotherman
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 20:31 +0200, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: > Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Ian Jackson a écrit : > > The current approach of the project in these cases seems to be that > > the right thing to do is to rebuild the source package so that the > > non-free pieces are removed. > > Non-free? Acco

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > No. There is no sensible way to do this. The problem is inherent: > the binary packages in main have to be rebuildable using the source > package (and supporting binary packages eg compilers) in main. > If you have this situation you have to have two separate source > pac

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Le jeudi 12 août 2010, Ian Jackson a écrit : > The current approach of the project in these cases seems to be that > the right thing to do is to rebuild the source package so that the > non-free pieces are removed. Non-free? According to the DFSG, are not they free? I cannot see any point of the

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Tanguy Ortolo writes ("Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)"): > Let us say an upstream tarball contains such a non-recompilable binary > as a minor component that can be stripped and maybe distributed by other > means. The debian/rules will not compi

Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-12 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Hello, I know that there is a recent thread that talked about the status of non-recompilable binaries in packages, with the common particular case is Flash applets. As I understood it, the overall conclusion was: even if their licence is DFSG-free, according to the policy section 2.2, packages co

Re: QEMU HPPA image

2010-08-12 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:02:18PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > Hi, > > In order to chase a bug (#592712) on hppa, i try to run qemu on hppa. > > I begin to try to download a qemu image on > http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu but i could not found a qemu > image. > > Do you know where t

My report after the BOF on distributed bugtrackers at DebConf

2010-08-12 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Thanks to Don Armstrong, we have had an interesting BoF at debconf about distributed bugtrackers (actually, I wasn only "participating" on remote, thanks to the videoteam's streaming). You'll find in [0] a report of mine with much of my own ideas on the subject in addition to what was said du

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 at 20:27:24 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > One issue with 3.0 (quilt) is that when you check it out when it's > maintained in a VCS, you have two choices: commit the .pc directory and > files, or leave it out and then have to run some magic [...] > - Why don't you just check in wi

Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Giacomo A. Catenazzi writes ("Re: Notes from the DebConf Source Format BoF"): > I think there are three usual use of the sources: > - developers/bug trackers/... > - users: to check and to learn the sources > - admins: who need to recompile/backport/.. sources > > Using git for the last two groups

QEMU HPPA image

2010-08-12 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
Hi, In order to chase a bug (#592712) on hppa, i try to run qemu on hppa. I begin to try to download a qemu image on http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu but i could not found a qemu image. Do you know where to download such an image ? I will be handy to add to usual place. I will try tomorro

Bug#548195: marked as done (Move cmap and cmap depend package to main)

2010-08-12 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:56:59 +0200 with message-id and subject line Cmap is in main has caused the Debian Bug report #548195, regarding Move cmap and cmap depend package to main to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not th

Re: why are there /bin and /usr/bin...

2010-08-12 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
> A better test might be to do this without /usr mounted. > > MfG >        Goswin Could we do automated testing using: - creating a new mount namespace - a bind mount of /usr on a empty directory ? A second option will be to modify fakeroot in order to avoid the /usr/binding and run some test lik