On 2011-01-05 08:46 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 03:29:08AM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
Nice write-up, you raise many good points I agree with.
Just a small remark:
On 05.01.2011 01:25, Roger Leigh wrote:
2) /usr is mounted read-only for security and safety
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
Well, that's the issue at hand. The reason I mentioned this is
because I believe that the / and /usr separation is a case where we
should stop to consider the bigger picture rather than just the
immediate problem. Solving
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:05:03AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Why is it that you ignore all my responses to technical questions you asked?
In general, because they are either (a) not well-formed, or (b) you
are asking me to
Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org (05/01/2011):
It requires a recent kernel, though. IIRC, Lenny kernels don't
support readonly bind mounts.
readonly bind mount support appeared in 2.6.26, at least according to
the first point in [1].
1. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_26
KiBi.
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:44:34PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
Well, that's the issue at hand. The reason I mentioned this is
because I believe that the / and /usr separation is a case where we
should stop to
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
You're right. Is there a project goal for this yet?
No, that's one of the reasons I've brought it up.
Practically speaking, this can be done fairly easily. There's no
need to ban having a separate /usr at all. Having
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:57:31PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
You're right. Is there a project goal for this yet?
No, that's one of the reasons I've brought it up.
Practically speaking, this can be done fairly
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
I doubt it. The symlink doesn't work right now due to the same file
being present on both paths, causing one to be overwritten. Once that
issue is solved, it should not impact upon keeping /usr separate. As
long as a
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:42:29 +0100
Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
I doubt it. The symlink doesn't work right now due to the same file
being present on both paths, causing one to be overwritten. Once that
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:22PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
If you give me a specific approach, I can tell you why it won't work,
or why it won't be accepted by the kernel maintainers (for example,
because it involves pouring far too much complexity into the kernel).
Let's consider
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:22PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
If you give me a specific approach, I can tell you why it won't work,
or why it won't be accepted by the kernel maintainers (for example,
because it involves
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 09:38:30PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Performance is important, I agree.
But you're trading performance for safety here.
... but if the safety is not needed, then you're paying for no good
reason. And if performance is needed, then use fsync().
OK, what about
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
Ah. So performance isn't the problem, it's just hard too implement.
Would've been a lot faster if you said that earlier.
Too hard to implement doesn't go far enough. It's also a matter of
near impossibility to add new features
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:47:03PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
That was about soft updates. I'm not sure this is just as complex.
Then I invite you to implement it, and start discovering all of the
corner cases for yourself. :-) As I predicted, you're not going to
believe me when I tell
Ted Ts'o writes (Re: Safe File Update (atomic)):
Then I invite you to implement it, and start discovering all of the
corner cases for yourself. :-) As I predicted, you're not going to
believe me when I tell you it's too hard.
How about you reimplement all of Unix userland, first, so that it
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:57:07AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ted Ts'o writes (Re: Safe File Update (atomic)):
Then I invite you to implement it, and start discovering all of the
corner cases for yourself. :-) As I predicted, you're not going to
believe me when I tell you it's too hard.
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Olá,
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:53:45 -0200, Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote
(...)
Outra sugestão, caso tirar o coffe break, é tentar viabilizar algumas
coisas empacotadas (sucos, refri, biscoitos, etc...), compra no
varejo X caixas e monta alguns 'kits de lanches'.. pode
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org disse que disse:
Olá,
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:53:45 -0200, Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote
(...)
Outra sugestão, caso tirar o coffe break, é tentar viabilizar algumas
coisas empacotadas (sucos, refri, biscoitos, etc...), compra no
varejo X
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