Hi,
On Donnerstag, 28. April 2011, Joey Hess wrote:
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
There are other possible changes but I want to discuss them separately
because even without those changes, the testing without freeze is a
worthwhile goal in itself.
[...]
I think these are interesting ideas, but
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* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110428 22:06]:
Eh? How do you fix stuff in the next release if you don't make uploads?
I'm not saying that the number of uploads should stay the same: it's
normal to see it going down during freezes, since there are less things
to change. However, if
On 29/04/11 at 10:23 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
2. In the past there used to be two rather opposites use-cases of testing:
some (luckely more than just the release team) see it as a tool to develop
stable. Others see it (mostly) as a usable distribution.
I'm unconvinced that splitting
On 29/04/11 at 10:33 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110428 22:06]:
So, we are losing a large number of contributors ( 20%) during freezes. And
it's also possible that some of them don't come back (looking at the months
following freezes, it takes
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110429 10:51]:
I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
(different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just one package during the
freeze period, then you are not in the 20%.
You did not give numbers of uploaders in the
On 29/04/11 at 11:00 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110429 10:51]:
I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
(different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just one package during the
freeze period, then you are not in the
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110429 11:17]:
On 29/04/11 at 11:00 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [110429 10:51]:
I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
(different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 04:52:29PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
2) During the freeze, you're killing an important step in the Release
process which is the testing. Packages that move from sid to testing are
tested by a huge user base (sid users), and then double-tested by testing
users.
I
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:34:50PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
See
http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/04/28/no-freeze-of-debian-development-what-does-it-entail/
for a more detailed answer and related suggestions to limit this problem.
I'm still reading and thinking… so, don't have an answer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:55:01PM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
But I don't plan to work on any of those if the project does not agree to
promote testing to something that can be advertised as usable by end-users
and as something that
On 03/31/2011 09:25 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote:
Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project
did not finish. See this archives of netconf-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
for more info.
Instead of
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 18:48, Julian Andres Klode j...@debian.org wrote:
But that we do want to prevent a broken APT -- when using the common
dpkg -i ...; apt-get install -f idiom (where ... is APT) -- certainly
is an argument.
Let me try to rephrase that:
The only strong positive argument
On 29/04/2011 14:21, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:55:01PM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
But I don't plan to work on any of those if the project does not agree to
promote testing to something that can be advertised as
Hi,
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:34:50PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
I'm still reading and thinking… so, don't have an answer yet. But, it
you'd like me to read your ideas, you're going to put some efforts and
post them here, instead of pointing
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Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org (29/04/2011):
Instead of Martin's project you might want to look into ipcfg by
Wouter Verhelst, which is in experimental already.
You may want not to. Last I checked (#dd yesterday, but not quoting
without permission), the idea was to scratch everything and start
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:44:53PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 03/31/2011 09:25 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote:
Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project
did not finish. See this archives of
[ Note that we decided to include the debian-devel list in our reply, as
this issue seems to have already found a wider audience, which we want
to invite to this discussion too. Please stay ontopic and away from
ranting about Ubuntu/Canonical/Whatever, gains nothing for anyone, but
help to
Hi,
sorry that I'm late to this party and that this mail is mostly an AOL...
On Mittwoch, 30. März 2011, Luk Claes wrote:
# package quality
Advocate: Holger Levsen and Luk Claes
State: confirmed
Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/PackagesQuality
This is a never ending goal of
On Freitag, 29. April 2011, Holger Levsen wrote:
29445 successful and 72 failed logs plus 526 packages not being tested
(which is what we have today) is a reasonable state IMO.
(reasonable yes, but we definitly can do better!)
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:44:39 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de
wrote:
Stephen Kitt st...@sk2.org writes:
So if I understand things correctly that would mean using /usr/lib/win32
and /usr/lib/win64, regardless of the binutils/gcc triplet (which is fine
as
If that is what
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:46:40 +0100, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote:
+++ Stephen Kitt [2011-04-24 19:14 +0200]:
So I would be opposed to making such a change in policy for the time
being; I think cross-compilers should stick with the traditional
cross-compiler directories and stay away
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:46:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 22:46 +0100, Wookey wrote:
[...]
I do think that getting the 'win32' arch name and triplet defined in
dpkg-architecture is stage 1 for you. I thought we'd already done that
years ago, when
* sean finney (sean...@debian.org) [110427 19:54]:
Hi Mehdi,
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:58:46PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
Funny… reading your recent blogpost, you seem to not understand yet what
you want to put into Rolling (and how). So, how can we comment on
something that's not set
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 11:29]:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
We might disagree with the process Raphael is proposing, but my reading
of [1] is that he is asking for comments on the *goals* that, in his
opinion, rolling is supposed to fulfill. We can
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 16:26]:
- reduce the set of architectures required for migration to testing to
i386/amd64/armel and have buildd of other architectures prioritize
missing builds in testing over missing builds in unstable
(freeze should be enough time even
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 14:55]:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
So your testing is essentially the pre-2000 frozen distribution [1],
and
your rolling is basically the current testing without the need to
freeze?
If that's the case, calling the
* Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net) [110428 19:57]:
On 28/04/11 at 18:04 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
On 28/04/2011 17:25, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 28/04/11 at 16:52 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
start from
* Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net) [110428 20:21]:
Interestingly, you seem to be confused about RC bugs. ;)
Can you please stop the ad-hominem attacks? Thanks.
Andi
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* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 22:16]:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, sean finney wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Good. I just want to point out that frozen built on top on rolling
(which is what we're proposing here) is different from frozen
* Stefano Zacchiroli (z...@debian.org) [110429 14:22]:
In general we need to promote the reduction of (potential) bottlenecks
in Debian rather than the contrary. ... and don't get me wrong: I'm very
well aware that this specific bottleneck is a very good feature to
have for the preparation of
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that they and
some users can use is
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
To complement that with even more user testing, I think we should
consider advertising specific (late) frozen snapshots as
alpha/beta{1,2,3} development releases. Several other distros are doing
that and I do believe they have good reasons for doing so, which might
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
If the release team is open to try this out, I'm volunteering
to help implement this (i.e. at the very least managing transitions
while the rest of the release team is concentrated on patch review for
finalizing the stable release). I'am also happy to invest some effort
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk, 2011-04-23, 15:06:
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