* Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org, 2012-08-16, 19:24:
1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the minified
version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only dealing with
DFSG here.
While jQuery license is permissive, it does impose certain conditions[0]
on
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:19:23AM +0200, rosea grammostolla wrote:
Subject: Re: Bug#685064: ITP: non-daw -- please package non-things
^
You've filed an ITP (I Intent To Package) but your subject reads more
like a Request For
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 08:59:55PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 16, Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote:
I know this is tedious but what others think about this matter?
This is another case in which the DFSG has become a religion to be
followed in a literalist interpretation
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 04:41:35AM +0200, Ulrich Dangel wrote:
On 08/08/12 04:11, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Fedora did it a few months ago, so probably we should do it as well to
minimize the pain.
As far as I know (based on
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458176 /
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 12:40:42PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
Warning the user that they are using an obsolete tool is IMO entirely
justified, particularly when there is a much better and more capable
replacement.
And there's plenty of precedent:
$ ffmpeg
ffmpeg version
On 08/17/2012 09:39 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
* Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org, 2012-08-16, 19:24:
1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the minified
version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only dealing
with DFSG here.
While jQuery license is permissive, it
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 09:39:05AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work
for us.
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do you think it
would be a sensible enhancement to uupdate if it could deal with a list
of files
On 08/17/2012 09:40 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
What I didn't know until recently is that the minified version in the
source package should be removed (or the appropriate full version should
be appended).
Do we also require that for
Abstract
The non-data packages currently having an absolute dependency on
hicolor-icon-theme should consider downgrading it to Recommends:
at the least. The list, and the explanation, are below.
Chapter I
imagemagick
Recently, Depends: hicolor-icon-theme
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com wrote:
Abstract
The non-data packages currently having an absolute dependency on
hicolor-icon-theme should consider downgrading it to Recommends:
at the least. The list, and the explanation, are
Hi there!
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:53:09 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 08/17/2012 09:39 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
* Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org, 2012-08-16, 19:24:
3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra
work.
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to
Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 09:39:05AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work
for us.
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do you think it
would be a sensible enhancement to uupdate if it could
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:55:02AM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote:
Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 09:39:05AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work
for us.
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:23:56PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:55:02AM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote:
Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 09:39:05AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work
for us.
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 08/17/2012 09:40 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
What I didn't know until recently is that the minified version in the
source package should be removed (or the appropriate full version should
be
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source
package.
Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check
could alarm packagers of this?
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:26:49PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do you think it
would be a sensible enhancement to uupdate if it could deal with a list
of files (wildcard strings that could be feed to `rm -rf`) which should
be
* Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de, 2012-08-17, 10:53:
3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra
work.
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work
for us. Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it
shouldn't take more than 5
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote:
3) Make a new source package containing every jQuery version existing in the
wild, then build depend on that.
FTP Masters do not like that solution.
Vincent's question was due to FTP masters complaining about the
package
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:08:39 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we finally have three independently developed solutions (we also have
several instances of a debian/get-orig-source script in Debian Med
team) and
pkg-perl variant:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-perl/scripts.git;a=tree
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:26:49PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do you think
it
would be a sensible enhancement to uupdate if it could deal with a list
of
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:55:23PM +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:26:49PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
As an unrelated idea which popped up when reading this: Do you
think it
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
Given that I'm not using upstream's jquery.min.js at all, I wonder why
I should repackage the source package.
I agree with you that it's useless work. But the ftpmasters believe that
Debian is made of source and binary packages and that the
Hi Gregor,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:47:48PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:08:39 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we finally have three independently developed solutions (we also have
several instances of a debian/get-orig-source script in Debian Med
team) and
Le vendredi, 17 août 2012 14.03:38, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
Maybe we should fix DFSG #2 to say “The program must include source code
for all the files that gets installed in the Debian binary packages [...]“.
With this modification, upstream might then include (distributable) win32
2012/8/17 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work for us.
Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it shouldn't take more
than 5 seconds, it shouldn't require writing two dozens lines of code and
documentation. :(
ACK.
2012/8/17 Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de:
But it usually does and also results in a source tarball which is
missing essential pieces of the software, so people who download it for
non-Debian usage will fail to run the shipped source just because we
removed an otherwise free piece of software.
Hi Luca,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 03:01:12PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote:
2012/8/17 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org:
Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work for us.
Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it shouldn't take more
than 5 seconds, it
Le 17 août 2012 14:15, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu a écrit :
Hi Gregor,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:47:48PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:08:39 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we finally have three independently developed solutions (we also
have
several
2012/8/17 Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/08/msg00397.html
and do you agree that a (enhanced) uscan could be this tool?
Sounds good for the majority of the cases, I don't think there are too
many repacked sources in the archive for which it's
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Le vendredi, 17 août 2012 14.03:38, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
Maybe we should fix DFSG #2 to say “The program must include source code
for all the files that gets installed in the Debian binary packages [...]“.
With
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 03:12:02PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
I like this
Please add a flag for specifying recompression method
Noted. On the other hand I wonder whether this should be separated from
the removal issue because we currently just do have a --repack option
and I think this
On 12-08-17 at 02:12pm, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi Gregor,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:47:48PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:08:39 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we finally have three independently developed solutions (we also have
several instances of a
* Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk, 2012-08-17, 16:38:
It is already required (or only recommended?) to document in
debian/copyright when source has been altered,
See bug #561494.
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Jakub Wilk
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On 17/08/12 10:07, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Unsurprisingly, all of them were able to install and run, but
while openteacher is seemingly unaffected by the absence of the
data in question, the rest have had obvious issues: almost all
of the icons were absent, resulting in
❦ 17 août 2012 09:39 CEST, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org :
1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the
minified version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only
dealing with DFSG here.
While jQuery license is permissive, it does impose certain
conditions[0] on
On 12-08-17 at 05:17pm, Jakub Wilk wrote:
* Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk, 2012-08-17, 16:38:
It is already required (or only recommended?) to document in
debian/copyright when source has been altered,
See bug #561494.
Thanks. That bug is about it _both_ being required by Debian Policy to
* Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk, 2012-08-17, 19:27:
It is already required (or only recommended?) to document in
debian/copyright when source has been altered,
See bug #561494.
Thanks. That bug is about it _both_ being required by Debian Policy to
document in debian/copyright and it _also_
On 12-08-17 at 07:19pm, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 17 août 2012 09:39 CEST, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org :
[0] “The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.”
That's true that the permission notice is not
]] Pau Garcia i Quiles
It's not a matter of using a better or worse script, having dpkg, or
uupdate, or some other tool do that for us. It's a matter of
repackaging. It's a matter of altering upstream's package for (IMHO)
no good reason. It's a matter of breaking user confidence: users are
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:43:51 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source
package.
Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check
could alarm
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:41:01PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Thanks. That bug is about it _both_ being required by Debian
Policy to document in debian/copyright and it _also_ being
documented in developers reference that such info should be in
README.Source.
FWIW, it's the other way
Hi,
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Luca Falavigna wrote:
2012/8/17 Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de:
But it usually does and also results in a source tarball which is
missing essential pieces of the software, so people who download it for
non-Debian usage will fail to run the shipped source just because
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Sam Morris s...@robots.org.uk wrote:
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source
package.
Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check
could alarm packagers of this?
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:35:07 +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Sam Morris s...@robots.org.uk wrote:
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a
source package.
Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check
could
* Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org, 2012-08-17, 22:35:
http://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-contains-prebuilt-windows-binary.html
This includes:
tcltrf (source)
* win/msvcrt.dll
This is part of Windows. I don't expect Debian has been granted
permission to distribute it. :)
Are you
On 12-08-17 at 10:18pm, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:41:01PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
Thanks. That bug is about it _both_ being required by Debian
Policy to document in debian/copyright and it _also_ being
documented in developers reference that such info should be in
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:27PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I admit I'm not very experienced with Perl and reading RFC822 files -
so if somebody would help implementing this I'd be glad.
grep-dctrl -FFormat -n -sFiles-Excluded \
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:50:39PM +, Sam Morris wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:43:51 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source
package.
Interesting, that
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:36:05 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:27PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I admit I'm not very experienced with Perl and reading RFC822 files -
so if somebody would help implementing this I'd be glad.
grep-dctrl -FFormat -n
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we finally have three independently developed solutions (we also have
several instances of a debian/get-orig-source script in Debian Med
team) and
pkg-perl variant:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:55:15 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
I admit I'm not very experienced with Perl and reading RFC822 files -
so if somebody would help implementing this I'd be glad.
Might be a job for Debian::Copyright, packaged as
libdebian-copyright-perl.
Cheers,
gregor,
Le Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:19:05PM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 08/17/2012 01:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra
work.
Yeah, just annoying everyone for a minified jquery in upstream
tarball is, to me, a bit too
(please direct replies to debian-devel only)
Ever since dpkg started using liblzma directly (dpkg 1.16.4), the xz
command is no longer needed in a minimal Debian system. Based on its
list of reverse-dependencies, it would presumably even be safe to
lower its priority to optional.
I think
Le Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:23:37PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit :
Ever since dpkg started using liblzma directly (dpkg 1.16.4), the xz
command is no longer needed in a minimal Debian system. Based on its
list of reverse-dependencies, it would presumably even be safe to
lower its priority
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