Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Steve Langasek wrote: Let's not forget that Al Capone was convicted not for murder, racketeering, or bootlegging, but for tax evasion; and that the US tax code specifies where on your tax form you are required to report income from the sale of illegal drugs. It would be ironic for a dissident to

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:27:14PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >That's not the point. The purpose of the Dissident Test is to demonstrate > >that distribution channels for software are not necessarily symmetric; it > >may be very easy for you to distribute the software, but very > >hard/expensive/d

Work-needing packages report for Jul 12, 2013

2013-07-11 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 492 (new: 3) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 148 (new: 1) Total number of packages request

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:53:01PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: Sure, but that doesn't make it DFSG free (hint: it's likely not)[1][2] [1]: The Dissident test [2]: The Desert Island test Sure, but #2 is stupid. We didn't say "must send changes back immediately." Nor would

Re: [Popcon-developers] Encrypted popcon submissions

2013-07-11 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 11.07.2013, 15:33 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > JFTR: The file secring.gpg can be avoided using > --secret-keyring=/dev/null but I don't know how to suppress the creation > of trustdb.gpg. Note that you can't use that f

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:53:01PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >Sure, but that doesn't make it DFSG free (hint: it's likely not)[1][2] > >[1]: The Dissident test > >[2]: The Desert Island test > Sure, but #2 is stupid. We didn't say "must send changes back > immediately." Nor would we wish any suc

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Howard Chu [...] > >>> If not, then > >>> what is the point of the AGPL? To protect C-R-U? > >>> > >>> I am not suggesting that this is absolutely not modification by Company A. > >>> However, to a non-lawyer like me, it sure _looks_ like a big hole. > > I don't see any hole. If C-R-U did th

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:19:47PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: Right, I want to understand AGPL's motivations is all. I used to put similar terms on my code, back before the GPL existed. Essentially: If you modify this code, you must send your modifications back to me (the

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:19:47PM -0700, Howard Chu wrote: > >Right, I want to understand AGPL's motivations is all. > > I used to put similar terms on my code, back before the GPL existed. > Essentially: If you modify this code, you must send your > modifications back to me (the original author)

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 10:45:00 -0700: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: I'm no

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 10:45:00 -0700: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > > I'm no exp

Re: Why does debian-sid can't suspend by closing lid?

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Stapelberg
Hi Arief, Arief M Utama writes: > Ever since after Wheezy released, with gnome-3 and systemd, I still can't > suspend my laptop by closing the lid like it used to be. Note that wheezy does not use systemd by default. Are you 100% sure you are using systemd? Check “ps auxf” to see if systemd is yo

Re: Pepper Flash for Chromium

2013-07-11 Thread Erick Birbe
El 11/07/13 13:33, Ian Jackson escribió: Scott Leggett writes ("Re: Pepper Flash for Chromium"): >Specifically, downloading the chrome .deb from google and doing >anything other than simply installing it (like extracting the flash >plugin and copying it elsewhere) would be creating a derivative

Re: Pepper Flash for Chromium

2013-07-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Scott Leggett writes ("Re: Pepper Flash for Chromium"): > Specifically, downloading the chrome .deb from google and doing > anything other than simply installing it (like extracting the flash > plugin and copying it elsewhere) would be creating a derivative work > and is thus forbidden. We could c

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > > > about the b

Why does debian-sid can't suspend by closing lid?

2013-07-11 Thread Arief M Utama
Hi all, Ever since after Wheezy released, with gnome-3 and systemd, I still can't suspend my laptop by closing the lid like it used to be. I remember there's a workaround that make the Suspend option in the User menu works... but that is not very comfortable. Any workarounds on this (for suspen

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > > about the basis of the network part of the AGPL during the GPLv3 talk > > > at D

Re: [Popcon-developers] Encrypted popcon submissions

2013-07-11 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Donnerstag, den 11.07.2013, 15:33 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: [use gpg but don't write to root/.gnupg] > Below is the code in /etc/cron.daily/popularity-contest > > GPG=/usr/bin/gpg > if [ "$ENCRYPT" = "yes" ] && [ -x "$GPG" ]; then > POPCONGPG="$POPCON.gpg" > rm -f "$POPCONGPG" > $GPG

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:26:47 PM Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Donnerstag, den 11.07.2013, 17:48 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: > > > This is also my personal reading of the license, I would like to hear > > > others opinions before I

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 11.07.2013, 13:41 + schrieb Jeremy T. Bouse: > I would find > having the Debian package install a tarball that could be linked to and > downloadable from the end user to be unnecessary duplication if all that > would be needed would be a link then why not just have th

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2013, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > My understanding though that if Debian is the one making the > modification then Debian is the one responsible for making the source > available. I think this is done already, since roughly 20 years, have a look at ftp.debian.org c

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 11.07.2013 09:12, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 07/11/2013 14:15, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if I use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian pat

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > about the basis of the network part of the AGPL during the GPLv3 talk > > at DebConf10 in NYC, Bradley said the AGPL was specifically based on > > modificat

Re: [Popcon-developers] Encrypted popcon submissions

2013-07-11 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:36:02PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 10.07.2013, 16:14 +0200 schrieb Bill Allombert: > > On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:27:12PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 05:08:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > Dear Debian people, >

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 07/11/2013 14:15, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: >> No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if >> I >> use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian >> patches) I am not obliged to make the s

Bug#716685: ITP: libpoppler-qt5-dev -- PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt 5 interface)

2013-07-11 Thread Granger Anthony
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Granger Anthony Package name: libpoppler-qt5-dev Version : 1.0.0 URL : http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ License : GPL Programming Lang: C, C++ Description : PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt 5 inte

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: > No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if I > use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian > patches) I am not obliged to make the source available? I'm no expert but that would

Bug#716683: ITP: rt-extension-calendar -- Calendar for Request Tracker due tasks

2013-07-11 Thread KURASHIKI Satoru
Package: wnpp Owner: KURASHIKI Satoru * Package name: rt-extension-calendar Version : 0.16 Upstream Author : Nicolas Chuche * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/RTx-Calendar/ * License : Artistic Programming Lang: Perl Description : Calendar for Request

Re: Berkeley DB 6.0 license change to AGPLv3

2013-07-11 Thread Howard Chu
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Saturday, July 06, 2013 01:52:59 PM Howard Chu wrote: Florian Weimer wrote: * Howard Chu: LMDB doesn't need dirty tricks to look good. (And at only 6KLOCs of source, there's nowhere to hide any tricks anyway.) Okay, I found a snag: the 511 bytes limit on the key siz

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Lars Meyser
- Original Message - > From: Paul Wise > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: > >> It is not that simple, Debian itself complies with t

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 11.07.2013, 17:48 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: > > This is also my personal reading of the license, I would like to hear others > > opinions before I start filing bugs. > > Perhaps you missed "if you modify the Program" in i

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: > It is not that simple, Debian itself complies with the license and users > installing the package comply with the license as long as the network-facing > service is not accessible to other users. To stay with my example, I am in > compliance wi

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Lars Meyser
- Original Message - > From: Arto Jantunen > To: "debian-devel@lists.debian.org" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users > > ... > By default installing into a state that isn't compliant with the license > seems like an obvious b

Re: getaddrinfo() return value chaos

2013-07-11 Thread Thomas Hood
Kurt has filed a new bug report against eglibc http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15726 which draws the developers' attention to RFC3493 which specifies the return values of getaddrinfo(). These should be as follows. > - Things work as expected: return 0 > - The nameserver repli

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Arto Jantunen
Lars Meyser writes: > An example that recently came to my attention is Debian's owncloud package, > there seems to be no configuration option to easily add a link to all pages, > so > in order to comply with the AGPLv3 I guess I would have to create my own theme > that displays a link to the sour

AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Lars Meyser
Hi, with the recent discussion about the AGPLv3 I am wondering what the implications for users of Debian packages are. Debian packages often contain modifications in the form of patches, since the Debian project is only a distributor it complies to the license by making available the sources of th

Bug#716667: ITP: python-scripttest -- Helper to test command-line scripts

2013-07-11 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Bechtold * Package name: python-scripttest Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Ian Bicking * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ScriptTest/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python Description : Helper to test