without being micromanaged in what they put into their dependency
fields.
That's an odd comment as the dependencies should ideally be the very
minimal that are absolutely required. (I understand it may not be
always easy)
--
I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
There seems to be a trend emanating from packages involving RedHat devs.
I actually went to the RedHat site a few weeks ago to try and get some
sort of oversight on
This is a move to SABOTAGE linux as an OS.
I have to admit if RedHat stuck to kernel work, I would be much
happier.
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to
E.g. XFCE either wants ConsoleKit, or logind. If you look at ConsoleKit,
you'll notice it is NOT maintained.
XFCE *needs* neither and in fact the vast vast majority of users do
not either.
--
___
'Write programs that do one
You're aware that GNOME and systemd upstreams are two completely
distinct groups
But they do both have strong redhat links, coincidence or not.
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
Bastien wrote:
It seems that the tech committee is composed of two well known
ubuntu
developers. Isn't that biased? I mean do you see them voting
against
upstart, I know that the decision should be based around
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 07:51 -0700, Andrew Kane wrote:
As someone who deals with a lot of random donated hardware, I can
attest that we run into these cases frequently.
Interesting data point, thanks. hat sort of vintage
Andrew Kane dixit:
A lot of these boxes are ones that one would reasonably expect to
support booting from USB, but in some cases the option isn't there in
the BIOS setup or boot menu and in others the option is there but is
ignored on boot some or all of the time. The inability to boot from a
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 00:00 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
* CVE 2013-4327 - Towards a world where even simple systems and
firewalls are vulnerable!
p.s. CVE-2013-4392, CVE-2013-4391 and I think I've missed out the really
bad one to do with remote connection.
On one hand I agree, we see
Le Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:03:38PM +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit :
Possible alternative choices for the GR would be:
- switch to systemd, do not permit any other init system
- switch to upstart, do not permit any other init system
- switch to systemd/upstart for
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they could use tar files instead. But I am evil
incarnate
On 25 October 2013 21:52, Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org wrote:
- it's pam module called pam_systemd instead of logind
It wouldn't be the first PAM module with an inappropriate name.
(e.g. pam_unix.so would be less confusing if it was called pam_nss.so IMHO,
as if I understand correctly it
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port
almost done.
Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully.
Congrats!
Please create a page on the Debian wiki and or update the MIPSPort
wiki page about this
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:42:55AM +1100, Jackson Doak wrote:
+1 to xfce, but it might be worth using a nicer theme than the current xfce
one.
It might be good to default to what's used on XFCE's own homepage. That
icon theme, faenza, is stuck in ITP (#595106), despite at least two people
On 25 October 2013 23:29, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote:
It is more and more obvious that modern software needs an event-based
init system.
As much as I would like to see systemd as the default in Debian (and have
switched to it on my Desktops), I see two show stopper issues:
* Needs to
Le Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 07:33:01PM -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
I think that is all true and correct, but I certainly didn't get that from
the original message. It certainly read to me like an attempt to undermine
the legitimacy of any future TB decision in favor of upstart. ICBW, of
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:45:55 Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 07:33:01PM -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
I think that is all true and correct, but I certainly didn't get that from
the original message. It certainly read to me like an attempt to undermine
the
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote:
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes:
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.fi writes:
I write a backup program. It uses its own storage format, and people
sometimes ask if they
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Colin Watson wrote:
The usefulness of supporting --as-needed isn't because of Ubuntu. It's
because switching --as-needed on across the board
I think it would be better send all our upstreams patches for their
build systems than to work around all the bugs in
Hi there!
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:17:03 -0700, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
And neither my IBM X40 nor my employer's X61 can boot from SD card,
despite having the drive built in. Sucks.
Off-topic, but still.
My X60 (from late 2006) can not either, but IMHO the reason behind it
that the SD reader it
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 06:15:28PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:54:47 +0200, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:38:56AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
found it usable even in 1.x days), is also true for GNOME: it
is said to disable the ability
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 06:06:04PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
That is my gripe, that's the core problem in GNOME. It's why I stopped
trying to develop code to work alongside GNOME and only work with XFCE
and Qt. GNOME upstream are toxic.
XFCE is same as GNOME:
- Supports ConsoleKit
- Supports
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:53:35PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
They choose the way most easy for them, which is behavior often
encountered inside the systemd-favoring community. Too bad.
You mean ConsoleKit with this? Why GNOME? Do you know it is on
freedesktop.org? Do you know there hasn't been
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:31:32PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Personally, I don't think there's more than one sane choice for Jessie anyway:
1. Init systems in Debian MUST provided compatibility with sysvinit scripts.
2. Packages needing an init MUST provide a sysvinit script and may
Scott Kitterman wrote:
Unless there's some kind of disclosure policy for everyone involved in the
any
technical discussion around Debian,
CTTE decisions are quite distinct from any technical discussion.
I think it's silly to claim Steve and
Colin are inherently unable to separate what's
Brian May wrote:
As much as I would like to see systemd as the default in Debian (and
have switched to it on my Desktops), I see two show stopper issues:
* Needs to work (somehow) with other applications (including not in
Debian) that need to manage cgroups. In Debian this would include
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:51:41AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Colin Watson wrote:
The usefulness of supporting --as-needed isn't because of Ubuntu. It's
because switching --as-needed on across the board
I think it would be better send all our upstreams
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Maintainer: Roberto C. Sanchez robe...@connexer.com
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