On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> It might just be that DDs/"computer experts" just have more customized setups
> that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
> configuration
> changes to a new system. What follows is "$new_thing sucks because $feature in
> $old
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:44:28AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
> If the configuration you get from install + upgrade is different than
> just installing a newer version, that's a bug.
+1
BTW, my experience with reinstalling pulseaudio and breaking my sound by
doing so was after a purge of al
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
> you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
> to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to plain
> ALSA.
Use all of them. Most of them most likel
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 03:09:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> [...]
> However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
> experts, failed to have a working setup, can only lead to the conclusion
> that there's something wrong which has to be fixed, especially if it
> come
On 02/17/2014 02:52 PM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
>>> configuration is particularly strange.
>
> +1
+1
>> So, if your computer has several
[Christian Seiler]
> Hi there,
Hi.
> Also, systemd does not run on non-Linux ports and will most likely not
> run on those anytime soon, if Debian wants to support those, they will
> have to make due with another init system. Currently, the only
> contenders for those ports are sysvinit and OpenR
* Adrian Bunk (b...@stusta.de) wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:14:10AM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote:
> > All of the bugs have been filed. Just under half have been
> > fixed. Almost all the rest have tested patches. I'm going to start
> > uploading 10-day delayed NMUs to try to close these out.
>
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
> > configuration is particularly strange.
+1
> So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
> you have both a sou
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:14:10AM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote:
> All of the bugs have been filed. Just under half have been
> fixed. Almost all the rest have tested patches. I'm going to start
> uploading 10-day delayed NMUs to try to close these out.
>
> If you have an issue with this please speak
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:17:52AM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de):
> > On 02/15/2014 09:22 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > > So, before doing so: will that be helpful?
> >
> > I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio
Hi,
Wouter Verhelst:
> discussion. No, we should not depend on it for Debian; but we should
> provide the interface for system administrators who wish to use it,
> because it is not Debian's place to tell them that they cannot use that
> interface.
>
It's not our place to tell people that they _c
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On 02/16/2014 10:00 AM, Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 09:17:46AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
>> There is no journalctl on that system. So what do I do now?
>
> The same you do when your log file has those .Z, .
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 03:28:30PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> Kevin Chadwick :
> >> Doesn't matter) rc.local shouldn't be used by local
> >> admin to start services from. Why not use usual init-script?
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised if rc.local has been around longer than Debian
> > and
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Hi there,
(CC Steve Langsek, since he's maintainer/developer (?) of Upstart.)
(I'm not on the debian-devel list, so please use reply to all.)
People, especially in the TC, have criticized that there are different
protocols for systemd and upstart to specify things such as
notifications and/or soc
Hi all,
On 15-02-14 21:11, Russ Allbery wrote:
> All I'm saying, and all I think Steve is saying, is that audio not working
> out of the box is some kind of bug. That's fine -- software has bugs. We
> all know that. It might be an important bug, it might be a normal bug, it
> might be a wishlis
On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 16:45 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Wanderer:
> > What is the log flow here? Specifically, does the logged information
> > flow from source - that is, from the process generating the message
> > which gets logged - to journald and also, separately, from source
Hi,
On 02/16/2014 12:39 AM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> I said: "If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and send you
> configuration and details about my system."
>
> To which I got this answer: "No, thanks. See my previous answer." (I think
> referring to the fact that he isn't an
Hi,
The Wanderer:
> What is the log flow here? Specifically, does the logged information
> flow from source - that is, from the process generating the message
> which gets logged - to journald and also, separately, from source to
> syslog (presumably in the form of rsyslogd), or does it flow from
On Saturday 15 February 2014 09:22:53 Christian PERRIER wrote:
[snip]
> I happened to come on this thread and finally learned that purging
> pulseaudio from one's system seems to be the way to get sound working
> back again in some situations. And, guess what? This is exactly the
> problem I was h
Hello,
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 09:17:46AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Heh. Maybe we can turn this into a useful question:
...
> There is no journalctl on that system. So what do I do now?
The same you do when your log file has those .Z, .gz, .bz2, .lzma, .xz,
.pgp, "your compresion program of t
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 09:17:46AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Heh. Maybe we can turn this into a useful question:
>
> Assume that I have a broken system (maybe the disk is partially broken
> or it got owned and I don't want to rely on its toolbox anymore). Now
> for some reason, I can still acce
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On 02/16/2014 08:18 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> With my rsyslog (and systemd maintainer) hat on, let me add a few
> remarks here:
>
> We still do install rsyslog by default and will continue to do so for
> the forseeable future (for reasons like the
On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
>> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
>> reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
>
> If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperat
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 02:53:39PM +0400, Oleg wrote:
>> scp /var/log/syslog ...
>>
>> Why do i need an unneeded layer for this - journalctl?
>
> Heh. Maybe we can turn this into a useful question:
>
> Assume that I have a broken system (maybe the disk is partially broken
> or it got owned and
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:17:46PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> nope, it's worse than you think: the arch specific package built on the
> developers machine (in a "random"^wnon predicatable environment) will not be
> rebuild, there are also no build logs available.
>
> See https://buildd.debian
On 16 February 2014 14:34, wrote:
> The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV. Nothing needs to be
> done.
> It is a rock on which to build.
> Not a shifting sands.
If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands between
building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea o
Hello,
On 16 February 2014 12:16, wrote:
> I want to record multiple inputs from multiple sound-cards into a single
> virtual sound-card with 4 channels that I can send to audacity.
> How do I do this in pulse audio.
Although we have had many discussions about pulseaudio recently on
debian-deve
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I want to record multiple inputs from multiple sound-cards into a
single virtual sound-card with 4 channels that I can send to audacity.
How do I do this in pulse audio.
The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV. Nothing needs to
be done.
It is a rock on which to build.
Not a shifting sands.
I must say, I agree with the man of the New Testament on this
particular
sort of issue. Build your house on rock, not on sand.
The alternative is allready in all of
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
> reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and
send you configuration and details about my sys
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Petter Reinholdtsen :
>> Probably, we should have hooks, that can be invoked before specified
>> action (e.g. start or stop) and after. But not just for start/stop.
>
> I already got most of these hooks. Are more needed?
I think, for every action, mentioned in the LSB. But
that's a minor issue.
Kevin Chadwick :
>> Doesn't matter) rc.local shouldn't be used by local
>> admin to start services from. Why not use usual init-script?
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if rc.local has been around longer than Debian
> and is meant to run at the end. Particularly for a service that isn't
> packaged it
On 16/02/14 09:54, ChaosEsque Team wrote:
> Isn't it great that we have to have this discussion about forking debian
> because within an oligarchic 8 man planning committee, which
> was split 50/50 for and against systemd, the chairman happened to
> be a systemd fan and abused his position to gai
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I'd like to take the opportunity to plug the "pasystray" package,
available in testing.
IMO it provides a friendlier interface to advanced pulse features than
pavucontrol.
Btw, does normal KDE mixer work with PA? I remember that when I tried it,
all ALSA channel volume levels were replaced by
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 02:53:39PM +0400, Oleg wrote:
> scp /var/log/syslog ...
>
> Why do i need an unneeded layer for this - journalctl?
Heh. Maybe we can turn this into a useful question:
Assume that I have a broken system (maybe the disk is partially broken
or it got owned and I don't want t
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