Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: The better question is whether the xfce switch had or has any influence on slowing the general debian growth rate [0]? Is the slight downtick over the last few months due to the default desktop, or some other change that users aren't

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi, after having tried Gnome3 for about a year I have banished it from all my computers, and switched to XFCE. *BUT* there is a point that has to be considered: XFCE is currently broken due to the irresponsible upload of upower, which completely breaks XFCE Power Manager. See bug 755234 -

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jason White
Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org wrote: Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen. While it’s true GNOME 3.0 was lacking in many areas, and GNOME 3.4 (which we shipped in wheezy) was just barely

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Kees de Jong
Also: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-as-default-jessie-desktop-2014-08-07-23-58 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Jordi Mallach wrote: jessie's GNOME 3.x release should be a lot more polished than what we shipped with wheezy, which means many of the rough edges and annoyances people may have found when upgrading from squeeze are probably now ironed out. It's still

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jens Schüßler
* Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD? You may visit some poorer people in the world. But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake. -- To

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 05:34:29) One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on the installation images; could you (and/or debian-cd) address this? Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a GNOME even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 08/08/14 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote: Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of reasons. One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote: Hi Debian, About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I actually think

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 01:48:55AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Incidentially, I don't much appreciate the counterproductive sniping that Jordi added in his blog post about this. Perhaps you're not aware, Jordi, but switching to xfce was discussed at last DebConf. It was not done announced in a git

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading without making sure not to break the rest of the infrastructure. In the original email it was

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andreas Cadhalpun: Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It has been removed from sid, since it fails to build against Libav, but it builds fine against FFmpeg. (It uses some of the features only provided by FFmpeg.) Yet another reason why solely

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread vitalif
Hi, I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better default... because I think it's not that uncommon for people to

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 12:41:09AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Jordi Mallach wrote: Downstream health Upstream health Community Security Privacy Documentation I don't think these are very useful criteria, unless they lead to actual technical issues/benefits. Which can

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread David Goodenough
On Friday 08 August 2014 15:15:17 vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: Hi, I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: IMHO the best idea at this point would be to toss out libav, and rebuild the rdeps with ffmpeg. Now, before it's too late for jessie. Agreed. The interested parties should really raise this with the CTTE ASAP. -- ciao, Marco

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Cesare Leonardi
On 08/08/2014 08:31, Michael Gilbert wrote: Here's a really interesting view showing the downward trend starting somewhere in April [0]. Note that the xfce trend was consistently growing prior to and past January (when the default was changed), but slowed a lot in April. At the same time,

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, vita...@yourcmc.ru writes: I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. Can you qualify that statement? Especially the neutral part,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Hi, Andreas Cadhalpun: Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It has been removed from sid, since it fails to build against Libav, but it builds fine against FFmpeg. (It uses some

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread vitalif
Can you qualify that statement? Especially the neutral part, it is not obvious to me how a DE can be, or not be neutral. By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also discuss it here, just because we

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]: ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD? You may visit some poorer people in the world. But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat

Re: [accessibility] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jordi Mallach, le Thu 07 Aug 2014 23:57:33 +0200, a écrit : Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen. Just to poll on the accessibility side: do we prefer gnome 3.12 over xfce? (note that we are

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, vita...@yourcmc.ru writes: By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another flame war :) If you don't want to discuss your

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35) Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]: ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD? You may visit some poorer people in the world. But hey, if

Re: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Joe Neal
On both servers and desktops, I've been a Debian user since Sarge. I use Debian not only because of its strong technical merits, but because of the strong sense of ethics the project has always had. A fork that tries to forcibly steal the name and infrastructure from the original project while

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Axel Wagner wrote: By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another flame war :) If you don't want to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Reinhard Tartler (2014-08-08 14:29:59) For now, please refer to http://lwn.net/Articles/607662/, http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=370 (rather old, but still true), and http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=674 (recent update on that matter) Regarding Marco's argument that libav had few

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:42:48AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading without making sure not to

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Olav Vitters wrote: For such a change, 6-9 months of pre-warning should be enough. It would be way better if projects held back until all affected software changed (or maybe ensure affected software makes the changes). However, not very realistic (only so much time plus

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Adam Borowski wrote: If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea that's neither good nor acceptable. So reverting to a fully functional version of upower for jessie would be

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi, On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: That leaves the question of the official opinion of the libav maintainers (pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org). Did none of them write anything in defense of libav, or have I simply missed it?

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-08 15:51:13) On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:26:20PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers are capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing and maintaining a larger desktop versus a

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit : The following is on a wheezy chroot: root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop The following NEW packages will be installed: [...] Need to get 370 MB of archives. After unpacking 1099 MB will be used.

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes: Disagree. His statement is very clear. I guess everyone who has followed the development of G3 is well aware of the - let's say - disagreements that have poped up continuously. I have. I am. The term not neutral is very ill-chosen for they made

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Gunnar Wolf writes (Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop): And yes, many such computers are currently in use. And it would be a disservice not to provide CDs anymore. But that criteria should not be what guides our default for installation; a CD might not be able to have the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 8 August 2014 13:29, Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Hi, Andreas Cadhalpun: Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It has been removed from sid, since it fails to

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:56:50PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Hmm, pre-warning if there are no fixes is not enough. Let me ask you - why is libpng still holding back so many other things? Because not all png deps are converted. And we are speaking about years. And just for practically

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea that's neither good nor acceptable. I see you want to start a discussion about systemd? I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Wookey
+++ Reinhard Tartler [2014-08-08 08:29 -0400]: To the best of my knowledge, there are only two high-profile projects that play hardball to require FFmpeg: Mplayer and mythtv. Neither of those do that (again to the best of my knowledge) mainly because of technical but rather very political

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:41:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea that's neither good nor

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:19:42PM +0200, Axel Wagner wrote: that just my anecdotal evidence. As is my suspicion, that the vast majority of people who actually chose GNOME for it's technical merrits over XFCE are not people who will ever be participating in really *any* flamewar, as they are

Multiarch capabilities for mingw crossbuilds too?

2014-08-08 Thread Joerg Desch
Today I've read about Debians Multiarch capabilities for the first time. Is it possible to use this technique to build deb packages of libraries for the mingw crosscompile toolchain too? I have to build Windows executables and therefore need some libraries. For now, I build and install them

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-08-08 16:19:28) Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit : The following is on a wheezy chroot: root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop The following NEW packages will be installed: [...] Need to get 370 MB of archives. After

Re: Multiarch capabilities for mingw crossbuilds too?

2014-08-08 Thread Wookey
+++ Joerg Desch [2014-08-08 05:38 +]: Today I've read about Debians Multiarch capabilities for the first time. Is it possible to use this technique to build deb packages of libraries for the mingw crosscompile toolchain too? In principle, yes. In practice right now, no. Stephen Kitt has

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On 8 August 2014 16:41, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: IMO, seems easier to recompile software not working with new UPower without UPower support, if possible. But that's obviously not my decision, I just want to highlight the extra work a default desktop incurs. I do hope that

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Joey Hess
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: I actually think having no default desktop would be just fine, instead having the current 3-4 desktop installation media. Then anyone can pick the DE she likes. I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly

Bug#757477: ITP: php-zend-code -- Zend Framework - Code component

2014-08-08 Thread David Prévot
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Prévot taf...@debian.org Control: block 757284 by -1 * Package name: php-zend-code Version : 2.3.1 * URL : http://framework.zend.com/ * License : BSD-3-clause Programming Lang: PHP Description : Zend Framework

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were I am sure that we could have a great competition for finding potential users with even crappier connectivity

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: If the xfce iso didn't exist, people in these situtations would not be able to install a usable Debian system. I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in supporting this kind of situations could build CD images

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: The default has no bearing whatsoever on whether well-connected users can or can't install one of the shiny desktops if they so choose. The default has no bearing whatsoever on whether un-connected users can or can't install one of the more

Matter Of Urgency

2014-08-08 Thread HSBC Bank
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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
2014-08-07 23:57 GMT+02:00 Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org: Hi Debian, It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time. Well, it's

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:15:17PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 août 2014 18:02 +0100, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org : I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 05:05:37PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:41:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its functionality, telling its users

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Andreas Barth
* Olav Vitters (o...@vitters.nl) [140808 19:12]: [ support for init systems bedside systemd ] There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back. Such was discussed and clarified. One of the questions that was voted on

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 08, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were I am sure that we could have a great competition for finding

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Andrew Kelley
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@acaia.ca wrote: On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in supporting this kind of situations could build CD images appropriate for them, and everybody else

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 08.08.2014 14:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: I intended to come up with a more timely full response, but I just didn't get to it so far. Thanks for explaining your point of view here. For now, please

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Alessio Treglia: We've spent a lot of time over the past months talking to upstreams, forwarding them our patches and make sure their programs and libraries work with libav. We've spent ***months*** in making the whole thing work, and dropping libav in favour of FFmpeg at this point,

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Hi, I don't know if it's wise to include that by default, but I remember that today, MATE is quite accessible. Not perfet, yes, but slight, customizable, and with Compiz which can run on it with all its features. Gnome is heavy for some machines and much less customizable in colours, objects

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread brian m. carlson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:34:29PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of reasons. One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-08-08 21:22:38) Alessio Treglia: We've spent a lot of time over the past months talking to upstreams, forwarding them our patches and make sure their programs and libraries work with libav. We've spent ***months*** in making the whole thing work, and dropping

Re: [CTTE #717076] Default libjpeg implementation in Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 07:24:29PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: The technical committee was asked in #717076 to decide whether libjpeg8 or libjpeg-turbo would be the default libjpeg implementation. The decision is below: Dear CTTE, I am concerned that the rationale for this decision contains

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Cameron Norman
El vie, 8 de ago 2014 a las 9:00 , Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it escribió: On Aug 08, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were I am sure that we could have a

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 06:50:40PM +0200, Lorenzo Bandieri a écrit : In my own PCs most of the time I have Arch Linux installed, and I use Gnome 3 as my DE of choice since its first release. However, when I have to install a GNU/Linux distro in a system I do not directly control (i.e. my

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote: of the third world can continue using a modern desktop as usual. As if lxde, xfce, mate is not modern? Only Gnome3? Come down from your horse. Norbert PREINING, Norbert

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On 08/08/2014 01:50 PM, Andrew Kelley wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@acaia.ca wrote: On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in supporting this kind of situations could build CD

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:29:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a GNOME even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single image? 2) Would the GNOME team consider a less-complete DE for cases where image size is a restriction? How

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 08, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org wrote: Got bored. Made this: http://www.halon.org.uk/simplechooser/ Great work, thank you. I hope that it can be part of the solution. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Jean-Yves Avenard
Hi. Only going to reply to some of the misinformation provided in the post from Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00160.html) For the background: I am the de-facto maintainer of the MythTV's FFmpeg fork. To the best of my knowledge, there are

Re: [CTTE #717076] Default libjpeg implementation in Debian

2014-08-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 00:49 +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: [...] 8. In general it does not appear that other Debian packages require the libjpeg8 API. The sole exception appears to be a decode from memory buffer interface (jpeg_mem_src/jpeg_mem_dest), which is implemented by

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140808_1050-0700, Andrew Kelley wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@acaia.ca wrote: On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in supporting this kind of situations could build CD

Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages have the priority required? And what are they used for? I'm fine-tuning a small kvm appliance (kvm-xfstests, as it happens), and I'm trying to keep the root file system as small as possible. It appears that I can dpkg

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu (2014-08-08): Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages have the priority required? And what are they used for? I'm fine-tuning a small kvm appliance (kvm-xfstests, as it happens), and I'm trying to keep the root file system as small

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade. It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is to create the /usr/lib/gcc/arch/4.9.1 symlink? -- Russ Allbery

Bug#756966: Stripped black and white background on activites page in Gnome after coming out of suspend.

2014-08-08 Thread Jk Pieka
I found the fix to the problem. I ran the command.. $ find /dev -group video Apparently this loads the kernel driver. I am not sure what this means to be honest. This fixes all of the graphics issues after coming out of suspend. Would you know where commands can be placed to be ran when coming

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (2014-08-08): Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade. It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is to create the

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:46:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade. It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On 08/08/2014 09:07 AM, Axel Wagner wrote: Hi, vita...@yourcmc.ru writes: By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another flame

Accepted tcpcrypt 0.2+git20140723-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:08:08 -0400 Source: tcpcrypt Binary: tcpcryptd libtcpcrypt0 libtcpcrypt-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.2+git20140723-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Daniel Kahn Gillmor

Accepted python-dbusmock 0.11.1-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 08:17:34 +0200 Source: python-dbusmock Binary: python-dbusmock python3-dbusmock Architecture: source all Version: 0.11.1-1 Distribution: sid Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team

Accepted salt 2014.1.10+ds-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Joe Healy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 16:31:53 +1000 Source: salt Binary: salt-common salt-master salt-minion salt-syndic salt-ssh salt-doc salt-cloud Architecture: source all Version: 2014.1.10+ds-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer:

Accepted libsys-virt-perl 1.2.6-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 07:16:32 +0200 Source: libsys-virt-perl Binary: libsys-virt-perl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.2.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Perl Group

Accepted 389-ds-base 1.3.2.21-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Timo Aaltonen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:48:55 +0300 Source: 389-ds-base Binary: 389-ds 389-ds-base-libs 389-ds-base-libs-dbg 389-ds-base-dev 389-ds-base 389-ds-base-dbg Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1.3.2.21-1 Distribution: sid Urgency:

Accepted perl 5.20.0-3 (source all) into experimental

2014-08-08 Thread Niko Tyni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:16:53 +0300 Source: perl Binary: perl-base libcgi-fast-perl perl-doc perl-debug libperl5.20 libperl-dev perl-modules perl Architecture: source all Version: 5.20.0-3 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium

Accepted util-linux 2.25-8 (source amd64 all) into experimental

2014-08-08 Thread Andreas Henriksson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:38:18 +0200 Source: util-linux Binary: util-linux util-linux-locales mount bsdutils fdisk-udeb cfdisk-udeb libblkid1 libblkid1-udeb libblkid-dev libmount1 libmount-dev libsmartcols1 libsmartcols1-udeb

Accepted s3ql 2.10.1+dfsg-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Nikolaus Rath
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:55:19 -0700 Source: s3ql Binary: s3ql s3ql-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.10.1+dfsg-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org Changed-By: Nikolaus Rath

Accepted libreoffice 1:4.3.0-2 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:42:03 +0200 Source: libreoffice Binary: libreoffice libreoffice-l10n-za libreoffice-l10n-in libreoffice-core libreoffice-common libreoffice-java-common libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc libreoffice-impress

Accepted 389-console 1.1.7-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Timo Aaltonen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:34:57 +0300 Source: 389-console Binary: 389-console Architecture: source all Version: 1.1.7-2 Distribution: sid Urgency: low Maintainer: Timo Aaltonen tjaal...@ubuntu.com Changed-By: Timo Aaltonen

Accepted ncmpcpp 0.5.10-2 (source kfreebsd-amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Christoph Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:56:27 +0200 Source: ncmpcpp Binary: ncmpcpp Architecture: source kfreebsd-amd64 Version: 0.5.10-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org Changed-By: Christoph

Accepted mini-buildd 1.0.4 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Stephan Sürken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:40:59 +0200 Source: mini-buildd Binary: python-mini-buildd mini-buildd mini-buildd-common Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Stephan Sürken abs...@debian.org

Accepted haskell-platform 2013.2.0.0.debian12 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Joachim Breitner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:39:10 +0200 Source: haskell-platform Binary: haskell-platform haskell-platform-prof haskell-platform-doc Architecture: source all Version: 2013.2.0.0.debian12 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer:

Accepted 389-ds-console 1.2.7-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Timo Aaltonen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:44:15 +0300 Source: 389-ds-console Binary: 389-ds-console 389-ds-console-doc Architecture: source all Version: 1.2.7-1 Distribution: sid Urgency: low Maintainer: Timo Aaltonen tjaal...@ubuntu.com Changed-By: Timo

Accepted mighttpd2 3.1.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Joachim Breitner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:55:05 +0200 Source: mighttpd2 Binary: mighttpd2 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 3.1.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Haskell Group

Accepted haskell-process-conduit 1.1.0.0-3 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Joachim Breitner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:52:08 +0200 Source: haskell-process-conduit Binary: libghc-process-conduit-dev libghc-process-conduit-prof libghc-process-conduit-doc Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1.1.0.0-3 Distribution: unstable

Accepted libfcgi 2.4.0-8.3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:41:22 +0200 Source: libfcgi Binary: libfcgi-dev libfcgi0ldbl Architecture: source amd64 Version: 2.4.0-8.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Tatsuki Sugiura s...@nemui.org Changed-By: Matthias

Accepted 389-dsgw 1.1.11-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Timo Aaltonen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 14:04:34 +0300 Source: 389-dsgw Binary: 389-dsgw Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.1.11-1 Distribution: sid Urgency: low Maintainer: Timo Aaltonen tjaal...@ubuntu.com Changed-By: Timo Aaltonen tjaal...@debian.org

Accepted nikola 7.0.1-4 (source all) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Agustin Henze
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 08:06:18 -0300 Source: nikola Binary: nikola Architecture: source all Version: 7.0.1-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Agustin Henze t...@debian.org Changed-By: Agustin Henze t...@debian.org

Accepted tidy 20091223cvs-1.4 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-08-08 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:26:56 +0200 Source: tidy Binary: tidy libtidy-0.99-0 libtidy-dev tidy-doc Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 20091223cvs-1.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jason Thomas ja...@debian.org

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