Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 01:19:14 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 à 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said
repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
I still wonder why there are provided within systemd then.
Yes, the logind-related parte
Am 27.11.2014 um 01:19 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Yes, yes, and yes. This needs to be put in a frame and bashed in the
head of anyone who keeps repeating that systemd is about GNOME.
What about the idea of being mindful of the tone of your conversation
and keeping it conciously moderate,
http://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo
Some suggestions for improving this table:
1. About half of the table is taken up with sizeof information, some
of which could be expressed more concisely. (Are all Debian
architectures ILP32 or LP64? Any rare exceptions could be described in
a
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Edmund Grimley Evans wrote:
of which could be expressed more concisely. (Are all Debian
architectures ILP32 or LP64? Any rare exceptions could be described in
I think so. Probably even all Linux architectures?
4. I'd like to see some information about va_list added as
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 11:53:18 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
Hi,
Hi Matthias,
Martin Steigerwald:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
I still
Write to Mrs Ana Rita on anarhom...@outlook.com
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:50:26 +, Edmund Grimley Evans wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo
Some suggestions for improving this table:
1. About half of the table is taken up with sizeof information, some
of which could be expressed more concisely. (Are all Debian
Hello list,
I hope it's appropriate here, I just wanted to say *thanks to
everybody*, in particular the low level package and infrastructure
maintainers for the excellent work they've done.
Yesterday I've upgraded my laptop with quite massive foreign package
sources and installations (qgis
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
But I think for most of the people that dislike systemd this is the main
concern: systemd is a lot of system building blocks in *one* repository and
*one* debian package and while they may be separatable they are not separated.
But well, its an upstream topic and I
Hello,
after upgrading to jessie(-with systemd) connecting my mobile to the
latop as a usb storage device stopped working.
I do have to rmmod usb_storage modprobe usb_storage in order for
the usb storage devices to become visible every time.
What is the suggested procedure from here on short
Hi Tomas,
Great you like it! Many people are busy working on smoothing the edges
uncovered by all the inflowing bugreports, so the occasional thanks!
is a nice boost to troop morale. :)
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 02:22:14PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Allthough apt-get dist-upgrade broke half
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 14:28:01 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
Martin Steigerwald:
But I think for most of the people that dislike systemd this is the main
concern: systemd is a lot of system building blocks in *one* repository
and
*one* debian package and while they may be
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:28:01 +0100
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
But I think for most of the people that dislike systemd this is the
main concern: systemd is a lot of system building blocks in *one*
repository and *one* debian package and while they
Package: wnpp
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Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
What exactly _is_ the point? It's one git repository instead of five, but
what (technical) problem would having five repos and five Debian source
packages, instead of one, actually solve?
IMHO: None at all. Instead it creates busy-work, and a testing headache
Hi,
Neil Williams:
By having separate source packages, a stable API becomes mandatory.
You're correct in that it is easier to keep an API stable when you have
separate repositories. But that is not a hard requirement. There are other
ways to keep APIs stable. Like, for instance, publishing a
On 11/27/2014 09:22 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Yesterday I've upgraded my laptop with quite massive foreign package
sources and installations (qgis packages, backports, stuff from ubuntu
PPAs, nodejs, a dozen packages from jessie etc.) from wheezy to jessie.
That's probably why you had issues
On 11/27/2014 09:28 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Hello,
after upgrading to jessie(-with systemd) connecting my mobile to the
latop as a usb storage device stopped working.
I do have to rmmod usb_storage modprobe usb_storage in order for
the usb storage devices to become visible every time.
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:24:12 +0100
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Hi,
Neil Williams:
By having separate source packages, a stable API becomes mandatory.
You're correct in that it is easier to keep an API stable when you
have separate repositories. But that is not a hard
Am 27.11.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Thomas Goirand:
On 11/27/2014 09:28 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Hello,
after upgrading to jessie(-with systemd) connecting my mobile to the
latop as a usb storage device stopped working.
I do have to rmmod usb_storage modprobe usb_storage in order for
the usb
On Jo, 27 nov 14, 15:06:17, David Kalnischkies wrote:
It's also not the worst idea to remove stuff from third party
repositories before upgrading and only install them again after the
upgrade. This way you can sure that they aren't interfering (something
which can't be prevented and just
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
Why does it initialize the network, provide an NTP
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:53:18 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd. So using that
instead of rolling your own from scratch is simply common sense.
It
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:50:08 +0800, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org
wrote:
On 11/27/2014 09:22 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
Yesterday I've upgraded my laptop with quite massive foreign package
sources and installations (qgis packages, backports, stuff from ubuntu
PPAs, nodejs, a dozen packages from
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 21:29:40 schrieb Marc Haber:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well…
Wild guess: because it manages processes like PID 1?
--
/* Fuck me gently with a chainsaw... */
Hi,
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
Atually, not particularly thinking of systemd at this point, but in
*general* there is a good technical advantage to this approach:
migrations dependency control. It avoids the fingers in every pie
problem common to a number of source packages in
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
Why
Hi,
Web application have evolved into monsters that needs lots of
javascript. It's very common that these javascript applications are
collecting all the .js library they use, concatenate them into a single
file, and compress the result using all sorts of tools (node uglify is
one of the
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well…
Wild guess: because it manages
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The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
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Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 147 (new: 1)
Total number of packages
Am 28.11.2014 um 00:04 schrieb Thomas Goirand:
Hi,
Web application have evolved into monsters that needs lots of
javascript. It's very common that these javascript applications are
collecting all the .js library they use, concatenate them into a single
file, and compress the result using
It took me time to realize why writing the below didn't feel right in
some uneasy way. That's because, allthough being logically completely
correct (I boldly assert here...), what I wrote below completely misses
the essence and is therefor just bullshit, which we can have a good
laugh about. And
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
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Programming Lang: Java
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 04:44:51PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Troy Benjegerdes:
How hard would it be to add hooks/helpers to dpkg-buildpackage to know how
to deal with git and mercurial repositories, and deterministically generate
the 'source' tar.gz from the repo?
Exactly:
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Description : Low-level library implementing the
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
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Le Fri Nov 28 2014 at 01:55:26, Tomas Pospisek t...@sourcepole.ch a
écrit :
Am 28.11.2014 um 00:04 schrieb Thomas Goirand:
Hi,
Web application have evolved into monsters that needs lots of
javascript. It's very common that these javascript applications are
collecting all the .js
Hi,
Troy Benjegerdes:
My argument for this (besides my personal bias), is that a *feature* of
mercurial is that history is immutable, while git has the feature which
allows rewriting history. (my opinion is that's more of a misfeature)
Git doesn't rewrite history; it merely allows you to
Hi,
Tomas Pospisek:
At least the Ruby On Rails framework notices an updated JS and will
re-compress the whole JS blob from its parts.
Does it call stat() on every constituent of these packed JS files on every
web request, or does it do that with a periodic background checker?
In any case, I'd
Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern
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