Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 08:24:27PM -0400, Peter Silva wrote: > o in spite of being the *default*, it isn't that universal, and in > any event, we can just decide to change the default, no? One can say > to people with bandwidth limitations, that their apt settings should > not delete packages after

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Peter Silva
o in spite of being the *default*, it isn't that universal, and in any event, we can just decide to change the default, no? One can say to people with bandwidth limitations, that their apt settings should not delete packages after receipt, so that they can be used as the basis for updates. And the

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 09:20:28AM -0400, Paul Wise wrote: > Low-speed connections and low bandwidth quotas (especially on mobile) > are still common enough around the world that delta upgrades make a > difference right now, IIRC even Google uses them for Chrome. fedora also has them and users enj

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Marvin Renich
* Christian Seiler [170813 18:59]: > (Setting reply-to to debian-devel@ only as I don't think this > should continue on debian-dpkg@ and deity@) > > On 08/14/2017 12:29 AM, Marvin Renich wrote: > > * Christian Seiler [170813 13:19]: > >> On 08/13/2017 07:11 PM, Peter Silva wrote: > apt by d

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Christian Seiler
(Setting reply-to to debian-devel@ only as I don't think this should continue on debian-dpkg@ and deity@) On 08/14/2017 12:29 AM, Marvin Renich wrote: > * Christian Seiler [170813 13:19]: >> On 08/13/2017 07:11 PM, Peter Silva wrote: apt by default automatically deletes packages files after

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-13 Thread Ben Finney
"Dr. Bas Wijnen" writes: > What seems to be the dispute is whether software that runs on a remote > system is still "software" for the purpose of our rules. That is not in dispute, it seems to me. The rules of the Debian Project can only bind what the Debian Project does. The Debian Project cou

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Marvin Renich
* Christian Seiler [170813 13:19]: > On 08/13/2017 07:11 PM, Peter Silva wrote: > >> apt by default automatically deletes packages files after a successful > >> install, > > > > I don't think it does that. > > The "apt" command line tool doesn't, but traditional "apt-get" does, as > does "aptit

Re: what should I do if I want to adopt one orphaned package?

2017-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sun, Aug 13 2017, Wookey wrote: > The policy document and debian-mentors mailing list can help you with > packaging queries. When you have a new upload prepared you will need > to get a sponsor to upload by asking on debian-mentors. You probably want the New Maintainer's Guide, too --

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-13 Thread Ondřej Surý
I fail to see what is the purpose of this thought exercise. Could you first clearly define the problem/goal/... and only then start finding solutions? Ondřej On 12 August 2017 09:19:51 "Dr. Bas Wijnen" wrote: Note: this post is not about certspotter at all, so I'm not Cc'ing the bug and cha

Re: ITP: libjs-pdfjs -- PDF reader in JavaScript

2017-08-13 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:24:47 +0200 Guus Sliepen wrote: > Is this not the same as libjs-pdf, which is already packaged? > Yup, it's the exact same. Thanks for noticing and mentioning it! :D pgpog7LscUIwo.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Christian Seiler
On 08/13/2017 07:11 PM, Peter Silva wrote: >> apt by default automatically deletes packages files after a successful >> install, > > I don't think it does that. The "apt" command line tool doesn't, but traditional "apt-get" does, as does "aptitude". This was documented in the release notes of Je

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Peter Silva
> apt by default automatically deletes packages files after a successful > install, I don't think it does that. It seems keep them around after install, and even multiple versions. I don't know the algorithm for the cache, but it doesn't do what you say. On my debian box, I have nothing but a

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:53:16AM -0400, Peter Silva wrote: > You are assuming the savings are substantial. That's not clear. When > files are compressed, if you then start doing binary diffs, well it > isn't clear that they will consistently be much smaller than plain new > files. it also isn'

Bug#872024: ITP: golang-go.uber-multierr -- multierr allows combining one or more Go errors together

2017-08-13 Thread Pirate Praveen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Pirate Praveen X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, pkg-go-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org * Package name: golang-go.uber-multierr Version : 1.1.0-1 Upstream Author : Uber Technologies, Inc. * URL : https://go.uber.or

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Peter Silva
You are assuming the savings are substantial. That's not clear. When files are compressed, if you then start doing binary diffs, well it isn't clear that they will consistently be much smaller than plain new files. it also isn't clear what the impact on repo disk usage would be. The most straig

Re: what should I do if I want to adopt one orphaned package?

2017-08-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:34:15PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > On 2017-08-11 15:19 +, 慕 冬亮 wrote: > > I want to adopt one package - Bochs [bochs: IA-32 PC emulator (package > > info > > )] which is orphaned since 2011 days. And the current version in sid is > > 2.6-5. > > https://www.debian.o

Re: ITP: libjs-pdfjs -- PDF reader in JavaScript

2017-08-13 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 11:14:00PM -0700, Michael Lustfield wrote: > * Package name: libjs-pdfjs > * URL : https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js Is this not the same as libjs-pdf, which is already packaged? -- Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Guus Sliepen signatu

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > It sounds like something that would have been a cool feature 20 years > ago when I was downloading Debian updates over an analog modem. > > Today the required effort, infrastructure and added complexity would > IMHO not be worth it for a potent

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-13 Thread Ondřej Surý
Which is definitely worse than HTTPS with even SSLv3. Here I disagree, with HTTP you know you are using inherently insecure transport layer and you can take other precautions. With SSLv3, you might be fooled by feeling of security... Apart from that, I think we need a system-wide default pol

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-13 Thread Ondřej Surý
This is a really good idea! On 12 August 2017 15:56:26 Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Russ Allbery That doesn't mean we can't make it very easy to disable TLS 1.0/1.1 or encourage people to do that when possible, of course. It would be great for us to try to lead the way and push things forward

Re: what should I do if I want to adopt one orphaned package?

2017-08-13 Thread Wookey
On 2017-08-11 15:19 +, 慕 冬亮 wrote: > Dear all, > > I want to adopt one package - Bochs [bochs: IA-32 PC emulator (package > info > )] which is orphaned since 2011 days. And the current version in sid is 2.6-5. Good to hear, thank you. > The official website shows that the latest

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 03:42:39AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >... > I've just uploaded a version of OpenSSL to unstable that disables > the TLS 1.0 and 1.1 protocol. This currently leaves TLS 1.2 as the > only supported SSL/TLS protocol version. >... Has prior to this change any effort been made t

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 02:16:21PM -0400, Julian Andres Klode wrote: >... > I think delta debs are generally a thing we should aim to have, >... It sounds like something that would have been a cool feature 20 years ago when I was downloading Debian updates over an analog modem. Today the required