Bug#929347: ITP: python-django-modelcluster -- clusters of models as a single unit

2019-05-21 Thread Michael Fladischer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Fladischer -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: python-django-modelcluster Version : 4.4 Upstream Author : Matthew Westcott * URL : https://github.com/wagtail/django-modelcluster/ * License

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Tzafrir, On 2019-05-21 19:58, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Is there a way to prove in some way (reproducible build or something > similar) that the results were obtained from that set using the specific > algorithm? I wrote a dedicated section about reproducibility: https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/de

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Paul, On 2019-05-21 23:52, Paul Wise wrote: > Are there any other case studies we could add? Anybody is welcome to open an issue and add more cases to the document. I can dig into them in the future. > Has anyone repeated the training of Mozilla DeepSpeech for example? Generally speaking, tr

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Ben, Good catch! I'm quite sure that the 3 categories are not overlapping with each other. And I've fixed the language to make it logically correct: A **ToxicCandy Model** refers to an explicitly free software licensed model, trained from unknown or non-free dataset. A model is **Non-fr

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2019-05-21 at 03:14 -0700, Mo Zhou wrote: > They are added to the case study section. Are there any other case studies we could add? Has anyone repeated the training of Mozilla DeepSpeech for example? Are deep learning models deterministically and reproducibly trainable? If I re-train a

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2019-05-21 at 00:11 -0700, Mo Zhou wrote: [...] > People do lazy execution on this problem. Now that a > related package entered my packaging radar, and I think > I'd better write a draft and shed some light on a safety > area. Then here is the first humble attempt: > > https://salsa.deb

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
Hi, On 21/05/2019 12:07, Andreas Tille wrote: > If you ask me bothering buildd with this task is insane. However I'm > positively convinced that we should ship the training data and be able > to train the models from these. > Is there a way to prove in some way (reproducible build or something

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 05:46:11AM -0400, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2019, 03:41 Vincent Bernat wrote:. > > Is there an example of a package where dh cannot be used? Making 96% of > > packages simpler and 4% of packages moderately more complex seems to be > > a good argument to uni

Bug#929313: ITP: ocaml-cairo2 -- OCaml libraries interfacing to Cairo

2019-05-21 Thread Ralf Treinen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ralf Treinen * Package name: ocaml-cairo2 Version : 0.6.1 Upstream Author : Christophe Troestler * URL : https://github.com/Chris00/ocaml-cairo * License : LGPL3 Programming Lang: OCaml Description : OCaml librar

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Sam Hartman
Reinhard challenged me offlist to look at whether boxbackup would actually be more maintainable with dh than with its current use of debhelper. Here are things I noticed that I wouldn't have to think about with dh. The package may be correct, but if I were trying to maintain the package I'd nee

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Reinhard Tartler writes ("Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH"): > I looked yesterday at the boxbackup source package and contemplated > converting it to dh from debhelper. I decided to not, because I'm > having a hard time seeing a significant simplification > potential. Maybe I'm just not s

Re: Official non-official Debian backporting versioning scheme

2019-05-21 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 21 May 2019, Scott Kitterman wrote: > In Debian we use version-revision (where revision is sometimes complex for > backports and stable updates). If you use version-~revision where revision > is > some thing similar to, but different than that used for security updates, > stable update

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Reinhard" == Reinhard Tartler writes: Reinhard>I looked yesterday at the boxbackup source package and Reinhard> contemplated converting it to dh from debhelper. I decided Reinhard> to not, because I'm having a hard time seeing a Reinhard> significant simplification pote

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Paul, They are added to the case study section. And I like that question from ffmpeg-devel: Where is the source for all those numbers? On 2019-05-21 08:02, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:11 PM Mo Zhou wrote: > >> I'd better write a draft and shed some light on a safety >> are

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Mo, thanks again for all your effort for Deep Learning in Debian. Please note, that I'm not competent in this field. On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:11:14AM -0700, Mo Zhou wrote: > > https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/deeplearning-policy > (issue tracker is enabled) Not sure whether this is sensi

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Tue, May 21, 2019, 03:41 Vincent Bernat wrote:. > > Is there an example of a package where dh cannot be used? Making 96% of > packages simpler and 4% of packages moderately more complex seems to be > a good argument to uniformize our packaging practices towards dh. > -- > Use the fundamental c

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 09:40:38AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 19 mai 2019 23:53 -04, Sam Hartman : > > > >> As promised, I'd like to start a discussion on whether we want to > > >> recommend using the dh command from debhelper as our preferred > > >> build system. > > > > Se

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Vincent Bernat (2019-05-21 09:40:38) > ❦ 19 mai 2019 23:53 -04, Sam Hartman : > > > >> As promised, I'd like to start a discussion on whether we > > >> want to recommend using the dh command from debhelper as our > > >> preferred build system. > > > > Sean> For those who haven't seen it

Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:11 PM Mo Zhou wrote: > I'd better write a draft and shed some light on a safety > area. Then here is the first humble attempt: > > https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/deeplearning-policy The policy looks good to me. A couple of situations this related to this policy: http

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-21 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 mai 2019 23:53 -04, Sam Hartman : > >> As promised, I'd like to start a discussion on whether we want to > >> recommend using the dh command from debhelper as our preferred > >> build system. > > Sean> For those who haven't seen it, the original author of dh, Joey > Sean>

Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-21 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi people, A year ago I raised a topic on -devel, pointing out the "deep learning v.s. software freedom" issue. We drew no conclusion at that time, and linux distros who care about software freedom may still have doubt on some fundamental problems, e.g. "is this piece of deep learning software rea