Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

2019-05-29 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, On 2019-05-21 23:52, Paul Wise wrote: > Has anyone repeated the training of Mozilla DeepSpeech for example? By chance I found a paper from a pile of papers (that attacks AI models) that Berkeley researchers have successfully attacked DeepSpeech: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.01944.pdf IHMO

Re: Exclude some architectures from an architecture-independent package ?

2019-05-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:46 PM Raphaël Halimi wrote: > What would be the "cleanest" solution according to you ? The cleanest solution would be to get this code into Linux mainline. Some discussion of workarounds: dak needs a way to restrict the availability of arch:all packages to certain arch

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas

2019-05-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:36 PM Mo Zhou wrote: > For example, many years ago I proposed that we could hire some > web developers to rewrite our homepage, to make it more good-looking > (Generally I don't care about superficial stuff but our homepage > is really old enough. Look at Gentoo's homepag

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Jackson writes: > Can you please look through the table below and see if I have covered > everything you do ? You have covered the workflows I set up where I have the choice. Thanks. -- \ “I am amazed, O Wall, that you have not collapsed and fallen, | `\since you must

Re: Exclude some architectures from an architecture-independent package ?

2019-05-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 29/05/2019 à 15:41, Ondřej Surý a écrit : > can’t you just “skip” building the module in DKMS when on unsupported > architecture? > > Install the package on that system would be noop then. Well, I was so focused on trying to make the package unavailable on non-ACPI architectures that I didn't

Bug#929741: ITP: wham -- Wisconsin's High-Throughput Alignment Method

2019-05-29 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller * Package name: wham * URL : http://www.cs.wisc.edu/wham/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : Wisconsin's High-Throughput Alignment Method To be team-maintained on salsa.debian.org/med-team/wham

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread David Bremner
Ian Jackson writes: > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository > format"): >> David Bremner writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository >> format"): > ... >> > With unmodified upstream files in the main branch, plus debian/*, but >> > usually no d/patc

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread David Bremner
Ian Jackson writes: > Hi. Thanks for your contributions which I am trying to capture, but I > don't think I fully understand them. > > David Bremner writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository > format"): >> With modified upstream files in the main branch, plus debian/*, but >> us

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > David Bremner writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository > format"): ... > > With unmodified upstream files in the main branch, plus debian/*, but > > usually no d/patches, I use git-debcherry to gener

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Hi. Thanks for your contributions which I am trying to capture, but I don't think I fully understand them. David Bremner writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > With modified upstream files in the main branch, plus debian/*, but > usually no d/patches I use a sepera

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:20:23PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> Perhaps we should update policy to say that the .orig tarball may > >> (or even "should") be generated from an upstream release tag > >> where applicable. > Andrey> This conflicts with shipping tarball signatures. >

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Andrey" == Andrey Rahmatullin writes: Andrey> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 02:14:09PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> [...] > My understanding is that this unusual difference between >> the .orig > tarball and what's in git is an attempt to "square >> the circle" between > two c

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 02:14:09PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > [...] > > My understanding is that this unusual difference between the .orig > > tarball and what's in git is an attempt to "square the circle" between > > two colliding design principles: "the .orig tarball should be upstream's > > o

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 14:14:09 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 00:39 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > [...] > > My understanding is that this unusual difference between the .orig > > tarball and what's in git is an attempt to "square the circle" between > > two colliding design p

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes: ke the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)'s Sam> position Sam> https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/-UUU:**--F1 Sam> *unsent wide reply to Aron Xu* Bot L50 (Message SC:f MML Abbre Ah, that's an interesting artifact of how cut&pas

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, With my Debian ZoL maintainer hat + FTP trainee hat on, I didn't wish to jump into this topic too early without a in-depth investigation... On 2019-05-29 14:14, Sam Hartman wrote: > And if you take the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)'s position > https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Sam Hartman
I hope that we do not choose to open the zfs discussion at this time. If it does get opened, I think my approach would be to try and educate the community about the various different viewpoints, find text for GRs that would allow key stakeholders to believe their positions were respected and c

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 13:43 +0200, Dan wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:50 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: > > On 2019/05/28 18:43, Dan wrote: > > > ZFS 0.8 has been released with lots of improvements, notably encryption. > > > > Yep, it's an exciting feature. > > > > > Sadly the L

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Aron Xu
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:55 PM Ian Jackson wrote: > > Ansgar writes ("Re: ZFS in Buster"): > > Ian Jackson writes: > > > I think this would be both unwise legally (without seeking additional > > > legal advice) and rather rude to the kernel upstream whose code is > > > then being reused without p

Re: Exclude some architectures from an architecture-independent package ?

2019-05-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 29 May 2019, at 14:45, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm the maintainer of package acpi-call, which is a kernel module > allowing a user to call ACPI methods. Its build is handled by DKMS. > > The module used to build on all architectures, even if it was obviously > useless on those

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 00:39 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: [...] > My understanding is that this unusual difference between the .orig > tarball and what's in git is an attempt to "square the circle" between > two colliding design principles: "the .orig tarball should be upstream's > official binary a

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2019-05-28 at 21:14 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository > format"): [...] > > Debian Linux kernel > > === > > > > Tree contains: an incomplete debian/ directory, notably without d/control, > > and no upstream

Bug#929708: ITP: python-geneimpacts -- wraps tools to assess variants in gene sequences

2019-05-29 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller * Package name: python-geneimpacts * URL : https://github.com/brentp/geneimpacts * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: Python Description : wraps tools to assess variants in gene sequences To be team-maintained

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ansgar writes ("Re: ZFS in Buster"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > I think this would be both unwise legally (without seeking additional > > legal advice) and rather rude to the kernel upstream whose code is > > then being reused without permission - indeed, contrary to their > > explicitly stated inte

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: Ian> Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git Ian> packaging practices / repository format"): >> I'd call it the 'git-only-workflow' ;-) Ian> ... >> It's not in official Debian. I've announced it long go, but >> nobody he

Exclude some architectures from an architecture-independent package ?

2019-05-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Hi, I'm the maintainer of package acpi-call, which is a kernel module allowing a user to call ACPI methods. Its build is handled by DKMS. The module used to build on all architectures, even if it was obviously useless on those which don't support ACPI. Starting with Linux 5.2, what used to be a

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > On 28.05.19 22:08, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Please can we leave aside discussion of the merits or otherwise of > > each of these formats/workflows. > > > > Perhaps we can talk about that (again!)

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > I'd call it the 'git-only-workflow' ;-) ... > It's not in official Debian. I've announced it long go, but nobody > here really cared. I couldn't even convice debian maintainers for > little less

Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money

2019-05-29 Thread Sam Hartman
[moving a discussion from -devel to -project where it belongs] > "Mo" == Mo Zhou writes: Mo> Hi, Mo> On 2019-05-29 08:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? So, there were two $300k donations in the last year. One of these was earmarked for a DSA

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Dan
Hi Jonathan, On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:50 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/05/28 18:43, Dan wrote: > > ZFS 0.8 has been released with lots of improvements, notably encryption. > > Yep, it's an exciting feature. > > > Sadly the Linux Kernel has introduced a commit in kernel 4.19 and 5.0 > > tha

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > hmm, sounds quite complicated ... anyone here who could explain why > exactly they're doing it that way ? > > by the way: that's IMHO an important information we should also collect: > why exact

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-05-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.05.19 18:43, Dan wrote: > Sadly the Linux Kernel has introduced a commit in kernel 4.19 and 5.0> that > prevents ZFS from using SIMD. The result is that ZFS won't be> usable in Buster. See the following issue> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/8793 We recently had this discussion on

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread David Bremner
Ian Jackson writes: > > Main packaging Delta from upstream Tools for manipulating > git branch represented as delta from upstream, > contains building .dsc, etc. > > Unmodified debian/patches gbp, gbp pq > ups

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.05.19 19:31, Simon McVittie wrote: Hi, > Debian Linux kernel > === > > Tree contains: an incomplete debian/ directory, notably without d/control, > and no upstream source > Changes to upstream source are: d/patches only > Baseline upstream: changelog version => .orig tarbal

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 01:39, Simon McVittie wrote: Hi, > You might reasonably assume that, but no, they are not. mesa (and probably > other xorg-team packages) uses v1.0 dpkg-source format combined with > dh --with quilt, so deliberate Debian changes can be either direct > changes to the upstream source co

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas

2019-05-29 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, On 2019-05-29 08:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? I totally support the idea that we should find more valuable usage of our fund. For example, if developers don't have enough time or don't want to do something difficult, we could hire somebody else to fix th

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.05.19 22:08, Ian Jackson wrote: Hi, > Please can we leave aside discussion of the merits or otherwise of > each of these formats/workflows. > > Perhaps we can talk about that (again!) at some point, but it tends to > derail any conversation about git packaging stuff and I don't want > this

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.05.19 22:30, Ian Jackson wrote: > Hi, thanks for replying. You have an interesting workflow which I > think I need to ask some questions about before I can document it > fully. I'd call it the 'git-only-workflow' ;-) The main reasons behind are: * i wanna be able to easily rebase onto upst

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 29 May 2019, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > > reasons. > > Use the $300,000 on ou

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > reasons. Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? https://lists.debian.org/debian-news/2019/msg00