On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:31:10 +, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Oct 19, Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Any plans for an upload to unstable?
I'd like to know first if it works or not and how much useful it is in
its current form, as I currently do
Joe Average User would most probably be pissed if he installed mutt but
doesn't have an MTA and then tries to send mail. That would take us back
into the old days of Slackware.
Joe Average User has to follow the recommendation, since he
doesn't know the details. If he decides to do things
I can imagine a workstation without those packages but it is, IMO,
mutilated box.
please keep your opinion outside the control file.
cron, at friends __need__ an MTA (or to be exact:
a /usr/sbin/sendmail app), they will not work without.
mutt can do many nice things without
Package: lilo
Version: 22dev0-1
it bootet only 2.0.36, but booting 2.2.12 gave a crc error - system halted
when unpacking. after replaceing lilo with the old 21-5 version, it works
again.
andreas
on linux-kernel there was once a posting for an app, that could trap any
system call and make the kernel return different results.
think like strace, but allows to reprogram system calls.
i'm sorry, i don't know where the program was,
but maybe you like to search and look at this approach.
would be nice to have the compatibility stuff in one seperate package.
e.g. one package, that symlinks /usr/share/doc to /usr/doc,
/usr/share/man to /usr/man, /usr/share/info to /usr/info.
remember that we want to get rid of the old stuff at some point, and this
should be as smoth as possible.
And, by all means, put ED on the base disks.
IMO: echo, sed, cat and joe
andreas
(i'm a vim user and can agree with my emacs friends: everyone of us can live
with joe)
Qt does this too, but that's because we're not allowed to move it from
/usr/local. I really think all these little compromises on policy are a bad
thing because they cause problems like /usr/local symlinks being deleted.
This is Very Not Acceptable.
second. i like to have no /usr/local at
we ran out of disk space, don´t expect new hardware and need the disk space
for the day to day stuff. sorry.
maybe someone else can provide a rsync access to debian cd images in europe ?
andreas
The upstream maintainer (Ulrich D.) insists that the relative links are
correct and that making /usr a symlink to something else is evil.
but in some situations they are necessary : when useing nfsroot
with special setup. for improved speed i want a codafs as the basic layer,
so /usr - /coda/usr,
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Ok, I'm game. I have had to fend off enough people from taking my
packages that this is worth my time. Besides, I enjoy writing CGI, call
me sick. What do we want/need/desire/despise and let's get this going.
a database with the stuff from wnpp (list of
I have seen numerous people post Intentions to package apps that are
already being worked on. Please read the wnpp (it is made for a
reason). And when you do announce you intentions PLEASE cc wnpp so that
it gets added to the list.
do we have a cgi guru here ?
we could automatie this (we all
it as well.
A typical error message is (this occurs on 2 of three drives):
Jun 23 20:35:40 homey kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Jun 23 20:35:40 homey kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=6766956,
if noone else does it - i can be contact person for linux vendors,
people who want to test debian cd's, and all that stuff.
andreas
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i'm running out of time, and writing real text (not simple emails) in english
still isn't easy for me.
i would like to have a readme for the cdrom iamges with content :
what is
- what are the debian official images
- what images exist (i386/m68k/alpha/source/contrib-a/contrib-b)
- official
i was told, that a bug with joilet+rr in 1.12* was fixed in 1.12a4,
but i would feel better with someone who has tested it.
I used the mkisofs you included in the tarball... which one is it? It
doesn't say...
it should be 1.12a4, the newest release. it's static compiled (so bo system
can
using mkisofs (the one Andreas includes) it worked just fine on a PC with a
QDI MB (it says something like Titanium IB+ TX... it's a 430TX chipset).
so the current mkisofs generates bootable cdroms ?
(i have to admin, i think i didn't change the mkisofs in 0.12, but i'm not
sure. maybe you can
is rsync realy so good ?
if it is, and rsync can make sure that transmissions will be always correkt
and complete, and it can continues transmissions, i will consider createing
the cdrom disk images as one big file, not splitting them and distributeing
them only via rsync.
but only if rsync is
will fix then some important stuff on the cdrom
(easier access to the tools like rawrite etc.).
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I used Andreas' tarball v 0.12 (which contains mkisofs) on a machine running
2.1.103, using -J -r (and -b, too), and it works fine... both 2.1.103 and
2.0.33 seem to prefer Joliet over RR, but I can see and use the symlinks on
both systems... I pass no options to mount (fstab reads
the usual problem : you have an application and need an application home.
with ftp it's /home/ftp, for web server /var/www, and for many other stuff
it's currently /var/lib/package or /var/spool/package.
but with slink you should use fhs, so it's ???
/var/state/package /var/cache/package and
Well, but putting them in a hamm package does not prevent people using bo
to download that package (it's a binary-all package, isn't it?) and use
it. Moreover, people can use the bug tracking system to report bugs.
I don't think a package is such a wrong place.
some people don't use dpkg,
i don't think that a package is the right place for such stuff :
many people want to burn debian cd's before or without installing debian
hamm.
Well, but putting them in a hamm package does not prevent people using bo
to download that package (it's a binary-all package, isn't it?) and use
it.
RPlay is a flexible network audio system. RPlay, written by Mark Boyns
[EMAIL PROTECTED], is provided under the GPL.
Package: rplay
Version: 3.3.0a2-4
Architecture: i386
Depends: libc6
Suggests: xpm, mpg123
uh ? why suggest mpg123 ? why xpm ?
is there a package called xpm at all ?
andreas
What's wrong with having both? We already have dpkg*nondebbin.tgz.
both is ok. do you want to create the package ?
andreas
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Please, note that I'm not saying that these scripts should be distributed
*just* as a .deb package. I'm saying that they should probably be
distributed as a .deb package *in addition* to any other form of
distributing them. I don't want to discuss what is better.
so, feel free to pickup the
The stock kernel mounts this CD (mount -t auto /dev/hdd cdrom) as joliet...
it /spits:
The writer is installed on a machine running 2.1.103 (the support for my
controller is better with 2.1.10x), but I used the CD to freshly install
Debian on a couple of PC's and to upgrade my own computer.
Mmm, why don't you just ask Bruce to maintain this package and update it
appropriately?
www.uk.debian.org/~aj/ contains make scripts to do the job for hamm.
i don't like this rude behaviour too, but it's the debian way to remove a
package, and several people complaint to me, that the current
Perhaps clearer guidelines on this would be useful.
no ! people are not good at following guidelines.
but computers are. so we need to move some thing to automatic stuff.
something like a cvs server or so could help.
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Ian, should non-maintainer releases be allowed into frozen/unstable
without checking with the maintainer first?
this is nothing where ian needs to do a statement :
people should behave and help each other.
in this case there was good will, but bad behaviour (i guess).
please both : cool down
We use mkhybrid instead of mkisofs (it is just a patched version of
mkisofs) Does mkisofs 1.12a4 support both joliet and rockridge?
yes, it does. i'm currently useing it.
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what do you want on the rescue disk ?
- your favorite editor ?
that's not possible, we cannot include every editor
- only __your__ favorite editor ?
hey, that's unfair. and if it's emacs : too big.
- a strpped down version of all editors ?
great: everyone will be
Well, that's IMHO an idea worth worth studying. When I first
installed Linux, I was coming from DOS and Borland's editors, which
joe mimics quite closely.
i know lots of people who came from DOS. know they use vi or emacs,
but they started useing linux with joe. they still know enought to
[if not emacs or vi or ae,]
what then ?
joe.
How dare you come up with such a logical solution to the problem! And how
can you be so unfair as to include my favorite editor but not everyone
else's? heh.
joe is not my favorite editor. it's the first editor i could use on linux.
now i'm
here is a test image. on my 2.1 kernel it works well :
total 2
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 45 Jun 13 12:23 TRANS.TBL
lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root3 Jun 13 12:22 bar - foo
on a plain 2.0.33 it doesn't work well :
total 1
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 45 Jun 13 1998
sorry, here is the test image. :-(((
andreas
test.raw.gz
Description: GNU Zip compressed data
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Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. Obviously additional development of the bug system would be good.
This can be done either by the person doing 2., or independently.
In any case the patches generated need to be sent upstream to me.
I'm interested
ok for me.
So, in detail:
Every three months (fixed date) we copy the current `unstable' into
`frozen'. At this point `stable', `frozen' and `unstable' should all
stay interoperable both in source and binary form.
alternative :
seperate place for new uploads and unstable, but well known
Incoming - unstable - unreleased - stable
100% agree.
some times unstable is so stable, that many people use it. this is bad,
if it's stable, it should have been released.
some times unstable is absolutelyy not useable, and it breaks my system
(grep bug, bash bug, new xxx without new
new installations are done by windows users, not by unix system admins.
at least 90% ...
while ed, vi and emacs might be nice for old unix hackers,
joe is the right choice for old dos hackers.
i'm useing vim everyday, and i will rather use sed than ae or that mini vi.
joe would be acceptable,
vi knowledge is essential if you have to deal with old sco/bsd/whatever unix
boxes. but max 5% of debian users will have to do that.
the essential for choosing an editor is :
we want the lowest common divisor - an editor that can be used by everybody,
and is as small as possible.
while i like
At a client's place with a broken SunOS 4 box? Need to fix the /usr
partition and password file. Chances are are you'll have to use vi.
Similarly, BSD, SCO, etc, etc...
maybe you should learn edlin, it's the only editor available on computers
running msdos 2.11.
or how to use vms, maybe one
i'm useing vim every day. i cannot even open or save a file in emacs, or your
it (hey, i tried !).
a working joe is better than a brain damaged vi or ae.
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(vi)
It is the only editor that you can count on being there if all else fails
and it's absence or replacement would be VERY notable to those who expect
vi.
editor.exe is the only editor that you can count on being there if all else
fails and it's absence or replacement would be VERY notable
If vi would fit on the rescue disk, do you think we would be discussing
ae?
To be able to do an install with the rescue disk the space priorities
don't allow anything but ae in that environment. When you can get vi's
binary size down to the footprint of ae, I will be glad to replace it.
the contrib cdrom of the official cdset
should contain a livefilesystem, only to repair an installed linux.
i want that filesystem to have all text editors (see the current discussion),
and every programm that might be usefull to repair a broken system
(fs utils, ftape utils, smb client, amanda,
sad news : after i created cdrom images with -J (joilet) option,
the symlinks were broken : plain 2.0.33 sees them as files,
but 2.0.34pre (with joilet patch) understands them.
i guess, i will have to create the official cdroms without joilet fs
support.
comments ?
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the mkhybrid file was placed there for bo systems which don't have
mkhybrid. it's staticaly linked.
but with newest joilet extensions problem, we will not need it.
i will recreate the images now, so they will be availabe in an hour or so.
contact
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Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
everyone can use joe. it might be very frustrateing but it's possible.
We already have that with ae. Is Joe smaller than ae?
no. much bigger and much more useable IMO.
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i don't like those archives: you don know about a virus in it and you
need 2 steps to get on that what you need (in fact you need a
writeable storage with enough space - not easy with a floppy boot
system and a cdrom). so: please extract those tools for dos!
in my Makefile to create a cdrom i do
I thought debian's 2.0.33 had the FAT32 patch. This is the same as the joilet
stuff AFAIK. Does this mean that you are using a non-standard kernel or am I
just totally wrong here?
i don't know what [EMAIL PROTECTED] is useing (no symlinks at his machine),
but my own system is running 2.0.34pre15
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/export/mirror/debian/tools# unzip -Ll rawrite1.zip
Archive: rawrite1.zip
LengthDateTimeName (^ == case
-- conversion)
15196 09-08-92 11:08 ^rawrite3.com
2017 09-04-92 07:23 ^rawrite3.doc
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I can work in two directions :
a) 5 cd set : source, misc, and 3 binary cds.
misc + binary will be enought for every architecture, so
distributors can sell cd sets of 2 cds (or 3 with source).
b) 4 cd set : highly integrated.
it will not be possible to split the m68k or
given that one day we will be able to release debian 2.0 :
we will have official cdrom images on some ftp servers.
a) who could burn these iamges and test them ? many cd distributors don't have
alpha and m68k machines, and i don't even trust them to test i386 machines.
b) who could burn these
One question: x11amp uses the real-time functions of Linux (and sounds
much better) if it's installed suid-root, but there are unknown holes
that this opens up. Should I use suidmanager and make it suid?
don't make it suid if it works without (mpg123, amp both work well as normal
programs),
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Is there some good reason why all of the printer filters need
to be installed in /etc? The magicfilter filters, in particular,
make /etc/ much bigger than it might be otherwise. (I understand
I can remove that which I don't need; this is a question
maybe the term offical for cdroms be used, if someone sells a set of
cdroms, constisting of the official cdroms and an extra cd with things
like debian-non-US, debian-non-free (those parts that are allowed to be burned
and sold), and other stuff like 2.0 + 2.1 kernel source, netscape, mozilla,
kde
i agree with you.
a) every package should use suidmanager if it needs a 1000 2000 or 4000 bit.
b) every package should document why it uses this special permission in
/usr/doc/package/Security.Note (or README.Debian ?).
c) security should be more important than functionality or
not a good idea. remove all special permissions from all
files, and use sudo. guy could add a hook to his scripts
on master, and reject all packages with suid/sgid
permissions. it's a very easy thing.
Not really. Administrators may decide not to rely on the
security of sudo, but on a few
ok, i tried to install from cdrom.
cd1 containes : main
cd2 containes : contrib, non-US, non-free (and other stuff)
a) my cd contained only frozen. but dselect want's stable ...
b) some problem with perl : dselect-install did not work.
i helped myself with dpkg -iGROEB /cdrom
c) gpm has a
it's not an easy task. dpkg/dselect make everything complex,
in fact i have no idea how these can work with the binaries split on two
cdroms. also, they don't work if only frozen is present, and not stable.
i have written Makefiles (much nicer then the old shell scripts) to create the
cdroms, but
from a first look at debian 2.0 i'm disappointed. ok, everything is moved to
glibc, and there are lots of new packages. but where is the enhancement ?
- with installing (n) dictionaries you are asked (n-1) time to select
the default one. simlimiar thing with programs who can view
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not
everything
was installed, so it could not work.
Can you be more specific?
There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of
xbase. I assume makedev and libc6 were installed and configured.
take a look at r2d2, a tool written by winfried truemper.
it does exactly this : get rid of all init.d scripts for daemons, and
offer a way to start them standalone, via inetd or via xinetd.
btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like
windows nt registry, but with
On Tue 28 Apr 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like
windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation).
How is the work on COAS going
On Sun 26 Apr 1998, Joey Hess wrote:
Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
with MAKEDEV -I you can create device files in the local directory,
even within fakeroot.
No you can't. Making such files requires root permissions. Fakeroot emulates
making them, but from outside fakeroot, they look like
i realy like cruft a lot ! i strongly suggest to all developers to check
their systems, and improve the packages.
cruft is a program in debian-incoming, it looks at package files, diversion,
alternatives, etc. and reports broken symlinks, files not owned by any
package, files in users home not
is there a list for cd-creators ?
i think we need one. topics
- mirror file (if you only want to create a cdrom)
- createing cdroms
- improved check scripts, to make sure that all md5sums are ok,
the Packages (and *.gz files !) are up-to-date
- putting non-free on cdroms.
...
the debian
What are the plans for the official CD?
main + contrib fit on one cdrom. so i propose
to use the official cdrom as long as possible.
people (not debian) should then create a third cdrom with
non-free source + binaries (parts), and maybe other stuff
(kde, netscape, whatever you want to include).
termcap-compat-1.1.1(extra) Christian Hudon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this should maybe go in oldlibs, but stay libc5 !
e.g. if you install Accerlarated X - their setup programm needs
this library.
i don't know, if a libc6 version of this is necessary, i hope not
(that people finaly switch to
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after reading all non-free licences, i have a list what can go on a
cdrom. this is my personal list, yours may be different. no waranty.
this is not an official debian list. debian takes no position,
and will not include non-free packages on their official cdrom.
i included packages, if this is
reminder : the kde packages still need a new maintainer,
i orphaned them several weeks ago.
there are several bugs, but the bug database contains also fix
infomations for several of them.
keep the packages in unstable as long as you like (hamm, and following
unstables), but unless someone fixes
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rxvt 2.4.5 was announced on New Year's Day. As the current hamm package of
rxvt is still 2.20, it would be great if the new version is available.
There have been many improvements; I notice the difference immediately
when I happen to use 2.20 instead of the
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There are a number of bug reports in the archive that were automatically
generated by a program named deb-check. Is this program still around?
I would like to look at it.
its a tcl script i wrote once.
all functionality is also in deblint and debmake.
isdnutils was taken by paul slotman (a to-be maintainer).
mpage was taken by joey (martin schulze).
makedev was taken by bdale (Bdale Garbee).
with this message i orphan giflib and kde*.
giflib should be maintained by the kde maintainer, as only kde uses it.
giflib needs no or nearly no work.
On Mon 08 Dec 1997, Cooper wrote:
I've tried installing Debian on my machine via a 24-speed Pioneer CD-ROM
attached to my Buslogic SCSI Flashpoint LT adapter.
Imagine my surprise when the machine told me that there was no CD-ROM
attached to my machine. When examining the FAQ and the README, I
How about a binary-pent directory with symlinks back to binary-i386 until
a package is uploaded. Then we need to tell dselect(ftp) to get the
packages from binary-pent instead of binary-i386. Is there an easy way to
do this? (Also, if pentium clones also work with the ecgs compiled
new debian versions of kde are available:
beta2-2 is available at :
ftp.inka.de/sites/dungeon/packages/kde-new libc6
beta2-2.1 is available at :
ftp.inka.de/sites/dungeon/packages/kde-new5 libc5
if you can't find some package required by kde :
look at
On Tue 02 Dec 1997, Ean Schuessler wrote:
I think that it would be useful if we were to design a technical
support database.
i agree. ther german suse distribution for example has one, and it's
great. we should try to get as good results. they proved that such a
database could do great things.
On Jun 29, Oliver Elphick wrote
I see that a new isdnutils package has been released; I would like to use
ISDN, but I don't want to spend the money on buying equipment and getting
a line installed until I know whether the Linux utilities will work with the
UK system.
i found documentation
On Jun 29, Joey Hess wrote
Karl M. Hegbloom:
I think it would be good to divide the /usr/doc directory into sub
directories. It should be divided in the same as the Debian ftp site,
and packages should put their documentation into the same slot as the
one they got ftp'd from.
The
On Jun 29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Pass phrase is good. Just a moment
dpkg-genchanges
dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or
directory
$
i know this bug : use new dpkg 1.4.0.17 and it is fixed. what about
putting new dpkg into stable ? current dpkg is
makedev and isdnutils in debian 1.3.X.
thanks.
andreas jellinghaus
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=${progname}.pid
workdir=
arch=`dpkg --print-architecture`
clean=
target=binary
targetparam=
makeflags=--silent
usageversion () {
cat 2 END
Debian GNU/Linux builder ${version}. Copyright (C) 1996,97 Ian Jackson,
Lars Wirzenius, Andreas Jellinghaus. This is free software; see the GNU
General Public
dpkg-source -x /some/path/to/file_version-rev.dsc
creates not only file_version/, but also file_version.orig.tar.gz.
why ?
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On Jun 24, Michael Meskes wrote
It seems I misunderstood what suidmanager does.
But I still don't see the reason for non-setuid programs listed there
by default. Does that mean 'You can make this program suid, but we
prefer it to be not-suid.'?
a) show the option : maybe you want to make
On Jun 24, Roman Hodek wrote
AFAICS, the only thing needed to be done as root is the install/chown
stuff, right?
if you create files and directories as root, you also need to be root,
to delete them. but this is far easier, of course.
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On Jun 25, David Frey wrote
*smile* Some german people have problems understanding swiss people, too.
:-)
*smile* But only if they live too far in the north. Our Bavarian neighbours
don't have this problem at least. ;-)
you can understand a bavarian ? hey, most german can't do that.
is someone willing to test autocompiling ? my auto compiler script work
fine for me, i will do some cleanup, add command line options and
release them. thanks to sim tailor for a pc where i can test and compile
libc5 binaries. to run a full test, i will need a pc with a big disk
(debian source
On Jun 25, Peter Tobias wrote
If every package has to use it why not add this function to dpkg?
dpkg already keeps a file with the contents of each packet. This
could be extended to keep the permissions too. Or create a database
with contains every filename (just like locate) and the
On Jun 22, Lars Wirzenius wrote
The following sequence of commands:
dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
cd foo-something
dpkg-buildpackage -b -rsudo -us -uc
i switched to use debian/rules binary, debian/rules clean and
dpkg-genchanges in my script (why should dpkg-buildpackage call
On Jun 22, Alex Yukhimets wrote
What's that problem with No new line thing?
Who's creating this problem - diff, patch, dpkg-source?
can you please download the newest version of patch, and try again ?
this way we can get sure, if it's fiext with a new version of patch
(some people told me
On Jun 22, Bruce Perens wrote
Speaking of predictability, isn't 2000 a leap year? The rule is different
for the turn of the century.
2000/02/29 exists. (the rule is : every for years, but not every hundred
years, but every 400 years). AFAIK.
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On Jun 23, Lars Wirzenius wrote
I only listed some problematic packages
(not even all problematic packages). That wasn't meant to be a
complete report, just some notes. Someone with more free time
will have to take charge of this if it is going to happen
systematically.
what about forwarding
On Jun 23, Michael Meskes wrote
Could anyone please tell me the advantages of suidmanager as it is right
now?
it's useless, because not all packages use it.
I can see the usefullness of a tool like that, but I wonder if there
should be a daily test run to make sure no other file are suid.
hy.
if you have reasons to use 2.0.29, that's ok. but add a disk with
2.0.30 ! there are people like with buslogic scsi adapters, and that
adapter is not included in 2.0.29. not everyone has a second linux
system at hand, where he can download kernel-image-2.0.30 and modify the
bootdisk.
On Jun 21, Christoph Lameter wrote
Lilo 2.0 has the ability to display a file before the prompt and also the
ability to boot something with a single keystroke. If someone could update
the lilo package and provide a decent configuration then lilo could also
offer a nice menu on boot up so that
LW I've been compiling bo/source using the script I posted some
LW time ago. Some common problems:
i modified your script and took some things from dpkg.buildpackage to
some sort of auto compiling. my script was working fine now, but i only
tested it on two packages of my own so far. when the
the dpkg replace function works only for the first package listed.
one of my package (isdnutils) replaces more than one package (vbox,
isdnlog, xisdnutils). maybe someone has an idea how i can make sure,
that these three packages are not installed ? (will something in
preinst work ?). i have no
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