Re: Is missing SysV-init support a bug?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:34:28PM +0200, Xen wrote: >> If that is the case then they have enbedded hostility into their name simply >> becaus eit offends normal grammar roles. > > I don't that's it at all. > > The reason many

Re: Dropping upstart jobs (or not)

qa people unhappy though, who run adequate) The latter seems like an undesirable. Packages should be orphaning conffiles as little as possible. -- Cameron Norman

Re: Tighter systemd integration for stretch?

orphanage thread. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/bf4c6fdd-8c4a-4b2d-ba7c-d65d88fc4...@gmail.com

Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

is required. Martin Pitt is actually working on that in Ubuntu. See the following blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1505-networkd-vs-ifupdown -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 05:06:38PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: Simon McVittie wrote: One thing that an adopter could very usefully do

Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

to accomplish. You can QA upload it really easily now too. -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

a stable name matter in the case you mentioned? Were you actually using ifupdown to manage the varied set of wireless networks? Because if not, then the name shouldn't matter. Does networkd handle this situation well? -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: State of Roundcube packaging in Debian?

every point release since roundcube does not intend to break the configs every point release as they did in version 1. However packaging a roundcube-1 is useful IMO (and it would be version 1.0 then 1.1 then 1.2 etc.). Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: conflicts between Debian's and upstream's Debian package

, -- Cameron Norman

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: 2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie: [...] An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in

Re: init script cannot stop pid process

the daemon, should do the trick: touch $PIDFILE chown www-data:www-data $PIDFILE Good luck, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Re: motd handling in jessie

or invoke the update-motd scripts on every login. Invoking them on every login could make it difficult to access bogged down servers. Regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Accepted pygopherd 2.0.18.3+nmu4 (source all) into unstable

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:25:38 -0800 Source: pygopherd Binary: pygopherd pygfarm Architecture: source all Version: 2.0.18.3+nmu4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org Changed-By: Cameron

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

) that same one. I do not know why I am discussing this here though, haha. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CALZWFRJu892a xx8auf

Re: init system policy

/package.service.d/* /lib/systemd/system/package.service Seeing as systemd upstream is pushing the stateless systems idea, and there is definitely merit to it, I think this is the best way to tackle the issue. Best wishes, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

because of discussions like these. Thanks, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CALZWFR+pec6=sPec4wmT0+JRTWdd5�wbkt16m4qeulm-0

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org wrote: Cameron == Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes: OK, so the system has syslog-ng installed. For what ever reason syslog-ng is not starting automatically, but starts manually

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

syslog implementation are you running? Thanks, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

experienced it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760426 Cheers, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:57 , Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com escribió: El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:53 , Russ Allbery r...@debian.org escribió: Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Ow. No, that's

Re: Bug#741930: reportbug: add current init system information

do not have to source all of the init functions, and if that file is ever not available you still get the correct check. 4. There is a tiny typo in the Upstart check. It needs an extra right parenthese at the end of the message. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel

Re: Re: piece of mind

), or do not support forking daemons. Both options are undesirable in different ways, but systemd already requires the prctl so any alternative would not be any worse than systemd in that respect. -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: piece of mind

El mar, 21 de oct 2014 a las 7:03 , Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org escribió: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: This is the problem. The init system should not be providing features which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make use of.

Re: piece of mind

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Re: Migration from cron to cron-daemon?

allow for a more minimal cron daemon on certain setups (or no cron daemon, plus the systemd glue that has appeared, systemd-cron). Thanks, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

of cgmanager and systemd-shim, just waiting for maintainers to verify and close them. (as well as for those version to make it to testing in a week or so) Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: virt-manager

experimental to unstable before the freeze (in less than 6 weeks). Looks like this bug filed onto the version in experimental: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740047. Seems like the maintainer might need help with it. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Fwd: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

could just find the reverse depends of bash and the packages affected by the lintian warning. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Re: Trimming priority:standard

El vie, 12 de sep 2014 a las 10:12 , Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu escribió: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 03:12:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: (Admittedly, cron has to be Priority:important anyway, to support logrotate - until/unless someone adds a logrotate.timer for systemd, and makes its

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

or always online should be present (in PK's configuration). Is this how the feature has been implemented? Do you think upstream (and you as an AppStream supporter / developer) would be enthusiastic about adding this, if it is not the status quo? Thanks for the communication, -- Cameron Norman

Re: upgrades must not change the installed init system [was: Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing]

implementation), just switching the dependencies around, or using virtual packages for logind dependencies (since apt knows what is the best decision already). Please consider the above prospective actions, and give feedback or results. Thank you for your time and effort, -- Cameron Norman

Re: There should not be dependencies on systemd

a logind implementation w/o systemd as PID 1. With the above scenario (virtual packages like logind), apt would be smart and install the least disruptive package. Do you think that would be systemd-shim (no removal of current init) or systemd-sysv (removal of packages)? Best, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

El dom, 7 de sep 2014 a las 3:45 , David Weinehall t...@debian.org escribió: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 12:37:12PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Noel Torres wrote: So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

the Debuntu-specific hack to use it with an inferior init system. Another purely functional POV is that upgrading from wheezy to jessie should not require switching your init system (or removing NM and GNOME and more), as it does currently. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally am not at all interested in), a dist-upgrade should do so. Currently, this is impossible, since systemd-shim DNE on Wheezy. Best wishes, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

due to systemd-shim conflicting with systemd-sysv, however this is actually not likely at all according to the shim maintainer). Best, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

for the other two actions). I hope that helps you understand how the graph does not depict how many users elected to use systemd as their init system. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 12:11 , Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu escribió: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: See my 1st message to this thread. Joey, With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 5:06 , Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org escribió: Am 13.08.2014 01:59, schrieb Vincent Bernat: ❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org : I can not confirm your findings. If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

or limited bandwidth network connections (luckily it is perfect for me, someone who uses GNOME and has a good internet connection :) Best regards, -- Cameron Norman

Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

it appeal to the blind or non-english speaking, it is one of the biggest DE's, and that makes it less accesible to poorer people. Bye, -- Cameron Norman

Re: unlocking encfs during boot (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

to be unmounted if the file is deleted (unless the ExecStop= is removed)... Anyway, pretty cool. Thanks for sharing, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd-sysv/shim in testing

, now that the situation has actually occurred, or begin a General Resolution. As far as I understand, a GR would only need a majority since the TC did not really make a ruling. Best wishes, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

unresolved bugs so far), and packages like GNOME or policykit should support more than just systemd-sysv. -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

El Fri, 25 de Jul 2014 a las 3:42 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org escribió: Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes: Oh this is easy. The init script calls s-s-d and does not check the return code (so always exits 0). I am just going to use set -e in the init script, only a couple

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

and udisks and a lot of other packages. Best wishes, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Where to upload official OpenStack Debian images?

El Fri, 18 de Jul 2014 a las 4:49 AM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com escribió: I think we could/should have space on cdimage etc. [for OpenStack images] - how big are we talking? He said 350-400 GB, but it is highly probably he meant to type MB.

Re: OpenRC status (was: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian)

El Wed, 4 de Jun 2014 a las 11:47 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org escribió: On 06/04/2014 02:50 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: All I've tested so far is inside my test vm, where it works fine. I'd love to have it on my work laptop, if I just had a replacement for policykit. There's

Re: MBF (Re: correct use of su)

El Mon, 12 de May 2014 a las 10:53 PM, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au escribió: On 13 May 2014 15:44, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: I found another use of su that may need to be added to your list. rabbitmq (oddly) wraps itself up in a shell script, /usr/sbin

Re: systemd-fsck?

prompt in these cases ? Is it not possible to tell if the sysvinit or upstart packages were installed manually, and give a prompt then (in addition to something like you described) ? Best, -- Cameron Norman

Re: MBF (Re: correct use of su)

, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd-fsck?

. I do not believe that list is at all comprehensive. One example would be the init script for the package rotter. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman

Re: standalone logind (Re: Bits from the systemd + GNOME sprint)

Hello, On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Hi, [snip] The second case is a no-brainer. Many packages in Debian consist of more than one binary, of which you need at most one (if that). Do you really want to mass-file a bug against all of these _and_

Re: A question about patches for upstream

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Le Mon, May 05, 2014 at 08:56:48PM +0200, Bas Wijnen a écrit : I'm happy to see that there is consensus anyway that forwarding bugs upstream is the task of the maintainer. Hi all, being a package maintainer, I am

Re: standalone logind (Re: Bits from the systemd + GNOME sprint)

El Sun, 4 de May 2014 a las 4:24 PM, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it escribió: On May 04, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: packages. I know our systems have no functional use for systemd-logind and yet lots seems to depend on it but it is less clear what depends on which parts and so

Re: standalone logind (Re: Bits from the systemd + GNOME sprint)

El Sun, 4 de May 2014 a las 5:59 PM, Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it escribió: On May 05, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: Example one: someone does not need logind, but removing it would remove their init system. So do not try to do it. Constructive solution you have got

Re: Bits from the systemd + GNOME sprint

in Debian would appreciate that. v210 adds a AppArmorProfile stanza. Oh, and Ubuntu too. Regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Re: Source Requirements

yet, but the developers of the Go compiler expressed the intention to start writing the compiler in Go, not C. They also wanted to write the compiler in the most recent stable version of Go, so you would need Go 1.3 to compile Go 1.4 -- goc 1.1 would not compile anything but =1.2. Best, -- Cameron

Re: what to do with wayland, python3, gdm3/systemd, ...

as their session init system. I am assuming that the systemd user session stuff does not require you to install anything systemd specific (except maybe libsystemd-daemon) and still allows you to run ibus w/o systemd. Best, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

-confined applications. This is forgivably irrelevant, because you are talking about confined applications. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

If you have more ideas, please add them to the wiki page. If you have more information, please add it to the wiki page. If you would like to help, please choose an item and start work. Would the inclusion of more AppArmor profiles be applicable? Thanks, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd - some more considerations

could work on OpenRC, or even Epoch init. Best Regards, -- Cameron Norman

Re: Ifupdown dysfunctional, is a Provides: interface possible please?

). networkd was specifically created to allow for even deeper remote fs situations (specifically, network mounted root). I think any change to a new network configuration should not ignore the scenario of a network mounted /usr, as NM and connman seem to have done. My 2¢, -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

for disagreements and difficulties with upstream to be avoided; and finally increases portability of the init system. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman

Re: stop posting useless cruft and get to work (systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it)

El Fri, 28 de Mar 2014 a las 1:19 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl escribió: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:38:40AM -0500, Kevin Toppins wrote: On 26 March 2014 10:13, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: [...] That is pretty much impossible, according to the developers

Re: stop posting useless cruft and get to work (systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it)

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:40 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: On 03/25/2014 12:42 AM, Kevin Toppins wrote: Writing an independent, init system agnostic, logind API compatible daemon would be another good thing to do. That is pretty much impossible, according to the developers of the

Re: stop posting useless cruft and get to work (systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it)

without the complication of multiple separate hierarchies. How do you suggest this integration with cgroups be done? Best regards, -- Cameron Norman

Re: stop posting useless cruft and get to work (systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it)

El Wed, 26 de Mar 2014 a las 9:03 PM, gustavo panizzo gfa g...@zumbi.com.ar escribió: On 03/26/2014 11:49 PM, Cameron Norman wrote: I wonder if dbus activation could be used to accomplish this. Of course, then one would not be able to put (in the case of Upstart) the socket bridge, dbus

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

and collect the stdout/err) the process. Lastly, it is a fair bit of unnecessary code on the daemon's part. Any other questions? -- Cameron Norman

Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* - and I can prove it

El Tue, 25 de Mar 2014 a las 3:11 PM, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com escribió: See the documentation for the following if they are not familiar to you: * dependencies: Wants/WantedBy, Requires/RequiredBy (in man::systemd.unit) * states: ConditionFileExists, ConditionFileExecutable

Re: Preparing openjpeg 2.0

in a couple of debian release. The former has the problem of people depending on openjpeg already and using the 1.x API. Having a new package for the v2 API is better because people have to explicitly use the new package+API, and they do not experience sudden breakage. -- Cameron Norman

Re: CUPS is now linked against OpenSSL

like it was the tivo-ization stuff. They license a lot of their stuff under the Apache v2 license, so I do not think it is the patent provisions that frighten them. -- Cameron Norman