On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote:
Q: I'm a smart man, I know what I'm doing, what apps I'm breaking and what
consequences my decision might have, but I still need my /tmp in tmpfs.
A: Then you should do that. In those rare cases when defaults need to be
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote:
On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
cases into the daemon is not sensible for any
Hi,
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/09/12 21:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Philipp Kern
You will not, however, get a conffile update prompt when the system
file changes (e.g. to update your own local copy to incorporate the
fix).
This is
Hi,
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
Uoti Urpala wrote:
Who's the one choosing his preferred configuration format based on the
limitations of his preferred packaging system here? Hint: it's not Red
Hat.
*yawn*
When you've got something constructive to
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org wrote:
I can find numbers of potential node users by examining the number of
active amateur radio licenses and make educated guesses as to how many
may be using the ham radio node software as either a user of the system
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
On 04/30/2012 04:56 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
I agree that OpenRC would be an improvement over the status
quo, but migrating *away* from OpenRC later on would be a major pain
as we would have to support both LSB/sysvinit
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:04:32PM -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
On 04/30/2012 04:56 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
I agree that OpenRC would
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
One of the definining characteristics of the Linux ecosystem, including
Debian, has been that the system has been made up of a set of loosely-
coupled compoments with well-defined interfaces. This is in stark
contrast
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
Keeping our options open, and evaluating what are options are
available and usable is important, and this is the principal reason
why I am interested in looking at OpenRC. It doesn't hurt to try it
out and see if it
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com wrote:
Anyway, sorry if this sounds presumptious but if anyone can make a package
then contact me and I'll collaborate and make whatever changes are needed to
get it to work with Debian. I did make an effort before asking for
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Svante Signell
svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
In order to contribute more than being a porter (and patch submitter),
I'm wondering how much effort/support is needed to become a DM, i.e.
being able to upload packages myself, etc. A second alternative would
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:36:13 +0200
Svante Signell s...@kth.se wrote:
Doing that will make the
release of wheezy much smoother than trying to fix things in the last
minute (and risk that the packages gets excluded from
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
Hello,
Michael Banck mba...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:31:49AM +0200, Michael Welle wrote:
Anyways, what if I want to report a bug that happens if I use foo.org?
We can discuss this again once
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
latest version available in debian. i don't care about the
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
thomasbecht...@jpberlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Svante Signell
svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode... Looking forward
to the which nasty bugs in the future are caused by systemd/upstart!
Wow.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
I really think that what's missing here is:
- Improve sysvinit and make it better to fit our needs without breaking
anything (eg: less scripts redundancy, parallel booting, ...).
You're missing the point. We already have
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Andreas Metzler
ametz...@downhill.at.eu.org wrote:
Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:37:39 +0100, Vincent Danjean vdanjean...@free.fr
wrote:
[...]
* We could try to define a file format that allow a conversion (by a
separate
Hello,
After a brief discussion in debian-mentors[1], Paul Wise suggested
that we might need a virtual package for icon themes that adhere to
the FreeDesktop.org icon naming spec[2]. Following his suggestions, I
posted a message requesting feedback from debian-desktop[3] (I suggest
that
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote:
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du mercredi 07 mars 2012, vers 00:21,
Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com disait :
To give one particular example: systemd uses Linux-specific features to
accurately track all
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Jens Stimpfle deb...@jstimpfle.de wrote:
python-poppler bindings are incomplete, I am missing one for
ps_file_new. I feel that I have to patch it myself, but am at a loss for
understanding how it works. The build system has a poppler.defs file
which gets
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
To give one particular example: systemd uses Linux-specific features to
accurately track all the processes started by a service, which allows
accurate monitoring and shutdown of processes which could otherwise
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote:
What we need, though, is probably to make it more clear to our users
what is the difference among *.debian.net and *.debian.org services. It
is something that developers know by folklore, but that I seriously
doubt
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Arno Töll deb...@toell.net wrote:
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Hi,
On 05.03.2012 14:31, Fernando Lemos wrote:
I believe people don't go to http://www.debian.net/ often, as it
redirects to http://www.debian.org/. If we come up with a splash
Hi,
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Sergio Cipolla secipo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello.
I'm just a Debian user for some years and I'm writing to this list
because I found that at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660814 the Debian
Multimedia maintainer Fabian Greffrath was very
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@gmail.com wrote:
A list of the actual utilities that you are interested in would help
people to answer your question.
Okay. Here are listed all packages LiveCD contain:
http://networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/log/manifest.html
Here
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
Personally I think this is completely the wrong approach to take for
compiler hardening flags. The flags should be enabled by default in
upstream GCC and disabled by upstream software where they result in
problems. The
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Of course the hard part is to make the initial decision to switch to a
given init system; this is the kind of things Debian is very bad at.
That's something I've always wondered. It seems to me that we'll
*never* reach any
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
There are two main challenges here that I'm aware of with trying to
generate init scripts from upstart jobs:
- Process supervision. A lot of the win of moving to an init system
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
* Socket activation information for systemd (and possibly upstart with
upstart-socket-bridge)
By the way, I wonder if we could also come up with a wrapper that
allowed upstart to work with the systemd socket activation
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
This file could be easier to parse than a upstart/systemd unit too. I
think even more than scripts could be converted into this basic
format. The only drawback I can see is that it's another init
description syntax to learn
Em 23/02/2012 14:58, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org escreveu:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:56:22AM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
Moreover, other display manager may not work correctly because gdm3 is
the only display manager supporting all modern stuff. For example, we
could switch to
Hello Vittore,
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Vittore Luccio vluc...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to you. Here's some other information:
[...]
What you're reporting is waaay too general. Please contact the
debian-user mailing list [1] or some other localized mailing list for
Debian users, and ask
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dominique Dumont domi.dum...@free.fr wrote:
Le Wednesday 18 January 2012 18:41:44, Jakub Wilk a écrit :
And how do I use this parser? I want something as simple as: for a given
patch, check if the header complies to DEP-3 and if it does, dump it in
some
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl schrieb:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote:
I think that stephan is right here. Every
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Marc Haber
mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:09:02 -0300, Fernando Lemos
fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
The thing you don't seem to get is that systemd uses init files
No need to be rude and to assume stupidity on the other side when one
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Marc Haber
mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:12:13 -0300, Fernando Lemos
fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
A more realistic option would be launching a program (or script) which
would read a configuration file (containing whatever
/etc
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Stephan Seitz
stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 05:09:11PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Configuration file for the daemon is /etc/default/rsyslog:
The canonical configuration file for the rsyslog daemon is
/etc/rsyslog.conf.
Yes,
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org wrote:
By the way, we already have the SysV init scripts, so we don't need to do
anything to keep supporting that, while it will take some time before every
package with a daemon has the required systemd scripts in place, I think we
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org wrote:
By the way, we already have the SysV init scripts, so we don't need to do
anything to keep supporting that, while it will take some time before every
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr
wrote:
No, I don't think so. If these external tools double fork then they
are just wrong.
Double Forking has been the right way to do it for decades.
It has been the default way for most daemons, granted. (Getty is
a
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote:
From what I've seen in Lennart's posts, adding systemd support doesn't
seem to be too complicated.
No. No changes at all are necessary to be compatible with systemd.
This is a very impressive feature of systemd;
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Marc Haber
mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:36:34 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no
wrote:
Something like:
ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
should do what you want.
exim4 is one example,
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org wrote:
[Uoti Urpala]
IMO letting kFreeBSD block a technology like systemd (or even letting
it have a significant impact on the discussion about whether it's
desirable to introduce the technology for the main Linux case) would
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
[...]
(Personally, I like the patch systemd path best, and time and skill
permitting, I'd be happy to help, if so need be.)
While that may sound attractive at first, I don't think it's
technically possible at all at the
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Patrick Strasser
patrick.stras...@tugraz.at wrote:
[...]
Why not use some simple non-HTTP-protocol on port 80?
That tends to break transparent proxying. If port 80 is the only one
you have open, chances are you're behind a transparent proxy as well.
Regards,
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Benjamin Drung bdr...@debian.org wrote:
Hi,
A few days ago, we had a discussion in Ubuntu about a packaging-dev meta
package. The problem is that users have to install a bunch of packages
if they want to dive into packaging. Even some packagers get annoyed
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
I think expecting having a working smtp on laptops, workstations, etc,
is unreasonable these days.
I suggest that we can make an HTTP based bug reporting method.
While I disagree with your appreciation, I am sure that it
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, sean finney sean...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 10:25:35PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 02:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
What to do during freezes
-
If we want to do
2011/5/1 Miroslav Suchý miros...@suchy.cz:
Dne 3.4.2011 18:08, Fernando Lemos napsal(a):
* It doesn't have a good command-line interface
It does have CLI interface. Those commands are bundled directly in
NetworkManager:
nm-cli
nm-tool
nm-online
I'm not sure if this qualify as good
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Patrick Schoenfeld
schoenf...@debian.org wrote:
I've always believed that peoply chose NM for simplicity. And I can
understand that. It's simple because it doesn't support anything
complex, including common VPN setups.
ifupdown does not support any VPN setup
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org wrote:
Could those thread participants who have gripes from their last NM
experience many years ago please confirm that their gripes still apply
before continuing with the discussion?
felipe@pcfelipe:supercollider% apt-cache
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
[...]
It does have system-global config file. But the settings are not
expected to be there. By default the settings are expected to be in the
user directory (has this changed since 0.8?). So I won't easily find it
when
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
mathieu...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
This said, I don't think NM can be the magic bullet to fix everything.
Even RedHat while shipping NetworkManager on servers last I checked,
still relies on their simpler command-line setup for interfaces.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stanislav Maslovski
stanislav.maslov...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Also note that there are NM plugins that enable NM to understand
/etc/network/interfaces and the Fedora/RHEL counterparts. This means
that if a server has NM enabled and an administrator wants to
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:11 AM, martin f krafft madd...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
last I checked, for instance, it was not possible to hook up two
network cards with DHCP.
[...]
Hmmm I do have two network cards and they both get IP addresses with
DHCP as I would expect (when they both are
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
In situations like this, what can package maintainers do? Would adding
-Wl,--copy-dt-needed-entries to the build script be acceptable and
would gold support that flag too? Should the bugs be assigned
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
The latter change is described in [1] (section [2]). To summarize: If a
library
symbol is directly used by an object without explicitly linking this library,
the link step now fails. The fix is to pass the
Olaf,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
Those are valid points, of course, but many Boost projects will fail
to build now and I see no good solution[1][2][3]. Some
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Stanislav Maslovski
stanislav.maslov...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
If you want to have that level of control, why don't you just check it
manually? Use --download-only with apt-get (no dpkg locking this way)
and when it's done, use apt-get without it to install the
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Simon Chopin
chopin.si...@googlemail.com wrote:
[...]
As Julian Taylor mentioned, there is also another side of the same
problem: aptitude itself can be improved so that it is able to
download and unpack in parallel. If it were doing this then the lock
would
Hi Olaf, Roger
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Now, pkg-config isn't standardised /either/, but it's useful because
it will work with any standards-conforming compiler. It's just a
generalisation of existing practice (in the form of
Hi Lucas,
Thanks for generating this list.
2010/12/3 Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net:
Fernando Tarlá Cardoso Lemos fernando...@gmail.com
btag
This is not a bug in btag. The problem is that binutils-gold (used by
Ubuntu) breaks every program that uses Boost (among other C++
Hi Roger,
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
This is a bug in your package, unfortunately. While it might appear
that you only use boost_system /indirectly/, your code is in fact
using it /directly/ via inline functions in the boost_filesystem
headers.
Hi Roger,
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
[...]
btag *does* use boost::system, even though you don't want to use it.
Right now, with the g++4.5 and/or the gold linker, you aren't linking
with a library you need. And I'm afraid that right at this point
Hi, Olaf
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
Why? If you link indirectly today, and later on boost_filesystem
drops its boost_system dependency, your code will break because
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:56 PM, T. Alex Chen alex_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
I want to do atomic operation and find there is already such implementation
in Linux, e.g. atomic_add, atomic_set, atomic_cmpset, etc, after I google on
the Web. I find a libatomic-ops-dev package and install it. But
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:39 AM, ivan okol...@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot chage manually IP address in /etc/network/interfaces, after bring
interface down with ifconfig eth0 down I manually edit above maentioned file
with:
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address xxx.xxx.xx.xx and
Hi Roland,
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Roland Mas lola...@debian.org wrote:
Well, we know that fully 27% of popcon-reporting users already use
unstable or testing. So in general, developers already have an incentive
to keep unstable and testing usable for those users, not just stable.
Hey,
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote:
IMHO, what is missing from rolling should be added to testing, not
worked around by introducing another suite:
I believe it's the other way around, actually. To me, adding stuff to
testing is the workaround. Testing is not
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:27:14PM +0200, Salvo 'LtWorf' Tomaselli wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 12:02:38 Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
What about using nc ?
nc -l /etc/passwd
http://localhost:/ = bingo.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
(My own preference would be to create all home directories as completely
empty, not even using /etc/skel, and fix all applications that need a
file to create one on demand.)
There's no need for any of the files in /etc/skel, so
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer
cales...@scientia.net wrote:
You're aware that not only .bash_* and .profile can be distributed
by /etc/skel,... but any other config file (e.g. .vimrc) a specific site
or organisation may found useful for their users?
Or a predefined
2010/7/26 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
Hi, Ian:
On Monday 26 July 2010 13:49:00 Ian Jackson wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was:
Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
* Fernando Lemos:
1. Man-in-the-middle attacks between clients and security update servers
2. Denial-of-service attacks to the security updates infrastructure
3. No trusted servers for security updates for testing
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM, David Kalnischkies
kalnischkies+deb...@gmail.com wrote:
In regards to APT i will have a look later how to implement it,
hints regarding a good error message are welcomed
as i can currently only thing about stuff like:
W: http://debian.example.org squeeze
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
okaaay, riight. so. ah ha. it makes things quicker... by avoiding
starting the services _entirely_ :)
It goes beyond that. Instead of program A depending on B being done
initializing so that it can
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Michael Gilbert
michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com wrote:
All of the issues raised in this paper can be mitigated by a proactive
user. Malicious mirror activity can be detected by paying attention to
debsecan and the security tracker [0]. debsecan displays all known
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de wrote:
On 2010-05-30, brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx wrote:
The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of
functionality with free data. Weather information is in the public
domain because
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