Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Alec Leamas dijo [Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 01:59:26AM +0200]: > So, at least three possible paths: > > 1. Persuade users to uninstall PPA packages before installing official > packages and also generation 2 PPA packages with sane versions like 5.10.x > > 2. Use versions like 9000.5.10, 9000.5.12. etc

Re: Mini-DebConf in Cambridge, UK - October 10-13 2024

2024-06-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Roberto C. Sánchez dijo [Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 06:14:54AM -0400]: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 08:39:51AM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:32:59PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:18:56PM +0200, somebody *claiming* to be Luna > > > Jernberg wrote:

Re: About i386 support

2024-06-14 Thread Gunnar Wolf
rhys dijo [Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 01:09:18PM -0500]: > My response remains the same. If it only affects a small slice of > systems that already represent a small slice of systems, it becomes > untenably difficult to chase that one bug that affects that one > case. > > But that does not translate in

Re: DEP17 /usr-move: debootstrap set uploaded

2024-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Helmut Grohne dijo [Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 09:28:52AM +0200]: > Hello, > > I have just uploaded > * base-files > * bash > * dash > * glibc > * util-linux > to unstable. These were the last remaining packages shipping aliased > files inside the package set relevant to debootstrap. > (...) > Than

Re: Firmwares (was Re: Bits from the DPL)

2024-04-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andrey Rakhmatullin dijo [Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 10:41:45PM +0500]: > Why is updating the firmware packages not trivial? Is it because of > licensing issues? I always thought it's just copying a bunch of files from > the linux-firmware repo (but I also often wondered why is the package > often not up

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Dominik George dijo [Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:43:03PM +0200]: > > So, let's at least be consistent. > > Totally agree with that. > > Debian is not a collection of harmful content, it is an operating system. > > But, unfortunately, there are too many people in the project who think, in the > name

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 10:33:45AM +0100]: > - For game-related use cases in particular, 2030 GPU models aren't going > to work with 2023 user-space graphics drivers (typically Mesa or > NVIDIA-proprietary) because the 2030 GPU didn't exist yet at the time > the 2023 driver

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 11:45:26AM +0100]: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 at 09:33:22 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Judging from the conversation, killing i386 quite obviously is desired > > by some participants, but evidently not by all. How quickly we want to > > kill it is not obvious

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
John Goerzen dijo [Wed, May 31, 2023 at 07:29:38AM -0500]: > (...) > I guess the question is: is this use case too niche for Debian to > continue supporting? I would suggest that as long as we have 32-bit > ARM, are the challenges for 32-bit x86 really worse? Do note, however, the ARM64 started a

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Alexandre Detiste dijo [Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:00:42PM +0200]: > Le mer. 31 mai 2023 à 12:44, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > 20+ year old machines are typically more power hungry, more expensive, > > less performant, and less reliable than an up-to-date raspberry pi. > > Embedded systems and medi

Re: Problem with detection of hard disks on a hub

2023-04-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ralf Lehmeier dijo [Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 06:43:42PM +0200]: > No problem. > I already moved the part with the hub alternative to > linux.debian.user.german. > But the part with the question why Debian does not recognize the hub, > although Manjaro does, should interest the Debian developers. > Ther

Re: Problem with detection of hard disks on a hub

2023-04-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ralf Lehmeier dijo [Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 03:21:38PM +0200]: > Andrey Rakhmatullin schrieb: > > The user support list is debain-user@ > > > > Thanks for the tip. > I will ask the question again on linux.debian.user.german. > > But one question remains unanswered. > Why are the disks recognized un

Re: Introducing Declarative Debian

2023-04-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 03:54:55PM +0200]: > > For example: > > * httpserver-is-apache > > * imapserver-is-dovecot > > You need to think larger! > > * christoph-got-you-to-think-about-this-seriously > * april-s-fool-is-less-and-less-fun-in-an-era-of-fakenews > * I-genuinel

Re: my package uploads silently rejected

2022-11-30 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 03:03:14PM +0100]: > Hi, > > I am unable to succesfully dput packages. Most likely the cause is my > too late updating my PGP key expiry date - but that should be solved by > now, and I am unable to figure out how to debug the problem or whom to > conta

RFH: Packaging Intel's userspace tools for Data Streaming Accelerator

2022-10-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi all, I was recently approached by Intel engineers Miguel and Jair (Cc:ed on this mail). They asked for my help in getting Debian Bookworm and higher to support the Data Streaming Accelerator, and we have exchanged a couple of messages about this. I'm reproducing next part of our conversation.

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hakan Bayındır dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:21:07PM +0300]: > A further evolution of this idea might be adding another question to > Debian Installer regarding to non-free software. > > If the users choose “No” for enabling non-free repositories, another > question might ask “Your system seems to

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman > wrote: > >One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select > >freedom if that's what they wanted. > >So I think a free installation image is important. > > Would that not

Re: getting pinta updated in Debian

2022-03-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Timotheus Pokorra dijo [Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:35:36PM +0100]: > Hello Mike, > > I have some experience with Mono packaging in Fedora. > I know of the dotnet SIG in Fedora. They made a massive effort, involving > Microsoft employees, to get dotnet core built according to the Fedora rules > (build

Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer

2022-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Holger Levsen dijo [Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:49:05AM +]: > hi, > > so Stephan Lachnit submitted an MR for developers-reference on Monday to > document how to grant DM upload permissions, which I gladly merged, even > though I was aware of "#653399: developers-reference: Please include a > para

Re: Debian's branches and release model

2021-10-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:51:59PM +0200]: > >> That's obviously what I'm doing. But when there's 2 releases during the > >> freeze, it means one of them will never reach Unstable. > > > > Right, which makes perfect sense. > (...) > > I guess very few will, but if it's needed, it

Re: Debian's branches and release model

2021-10-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 09:11:13AM +0200]: > > You can upload it to experimental > > That's obviously what I'm doing. But when there's 2 releases during the > freeze, it means one of them will never reach Unstable. Right, which makes perfect sense. The group of people intereste

Re: Finding rough consensus on level of vendoring for large upstreams

2021-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Phil Morrell dijo [Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 02:04:44AM +0100]: > On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 01:03:35AM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote: > > - should a package debian/control list bundled dependencies to make > > sure to avoid duplications ? > > Maybe? I noted in my final paragraph that Fedora has a mechanism for

Re: Shall we serve scripts as application or as text?

2021-08-30 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 03:13:02PM +0100]: > Using types outside text/ is definitely appropriate for very verbose text > languages like SVG and "flat" OpenDocument, where it's *technically* > text, and *technically* you could edit it with a text editor, but in > practice that's ra

Re: Future of /usr/bin/which in Debian?

2021-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Clint Adams dijo [Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 04:20:02AM +]: > > Besides, will the new "which" tool be installed in Debian by default? Since > > debianutils is Essential:yes, not providing "which" tool by default could > > probably break some existing packages. > > My personal opinion is that no one

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
As I said, on a separate mail... Marc Haber dijo [Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 07:12:24AM +0200]: > In an ideal world, would the package manager not be a service utility > to SUPPORT policy and adapt to changing environment contitions instead > being a showstopper for innovation? > > Who is the dpkg main

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sorry to single you out here, Marc -- This goes to many people. This goes, in fact, to the discussion itself. Marc Haber dijo [Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 07:12:24AM +0200]: > In an ideal world, would the package manager not be a service utility > to SUPPORT policy and adapt to changing environment conti

Bug#990010: ITP: mymake -- A tool for compiling C/C++ programs

2021-06-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, Filip Strömbäck * Package name: mymake Version : 2.2.0 Upstream Author : Filip Strömbäck * URL : https://github.com/fstromback/mymake/ * License : MIT

Bug#990009: ITP: progvis -- Program visualization tool for C/C++ (and others)

2021-06-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, Filip Strömbäck * Package name: progvis Version : 0.5.7 Upstream Author : Filip Strömbäck * URL : https://storm-lang.org/index.php?q=06-Programs%2F01-Progvis.md

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve McIntyre dijo [Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +]: > >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult > >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the > >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if > >ITP mail went to a separate, de

Re: Request for Pricing

2021-05-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello Tony, I don't know where you got this mail address as a source for providing the goods you need, but it's not correct -- Debian is a volunteer organization that produces a distribution of the free "Linux" operating system. We cannot provide what you require. Andrej Shadura dijo [Fri, May 07

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 01:53:02PM -0700]: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25:50PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 12:31:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > IMHO, it's better to have a vote quickly on a limited set of GR options, > > > with the possibilit

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonathan Carter dijo [Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 07:29:14PM +0200]: > >> Define "proper Unix"... > > > > The definition depends on whether you are a longhair or shorthair. > > If you're a proper blue-haired person, then the only proper Unix is Debian. Please do note that your definition might be of su

Re: DAM Key and identity requirements

2020-09-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mattia Rizzolo dijo [Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:45:48AM +0200]: > > > * Minimum key size and acceptable algorithms are actually the domain of > > >keyring-maint, and we just check those for them. > > >At the time of writing this, a new key must be larger than 1024bits, > > >ideally at lea

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-08-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Seconded. Thanks! Raphael Hertzog dijo [Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 01:01:09AM +0200]: > Hello, > > following the recent discussions of June and of the last days, I'm > proposing the changes below to DEP-14. Basically it replaces debian/master > with debian/latest for all the reasons already discussed e

Re: DEP-14: renaming master to main?

2020-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Colin Watson dijo [Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 10:13:31PM +0100]: > I think my ranked preferences are: > > 1. devel (for the sorts of reasons smcv@ gave; also, debian/devel is a > nice allusion to this list) > 2. trunk (historical familiarity from other VCSes) > 3. main or maybe mainline (some tab

Re: Pimp your shell - Debian developer tips?

2020-06-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello world, Like Paul said in his reply, I also have a "bash monstrosity" as a Bash prompt. I last spent time tweaking it many years ago, so... This migh reflect what my head was like in the past, not today :-] I am attaching here the relevant portion of my .bashrc > Basically the only improvem

Re: [Summary]: RFC: Standardizing source package artifacts build paths

2020-05-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Biebl dijo [Mon, May 04, 2020 at 11:51:05AM +0200]: > >> Personally, I don't see any real benefit of standardizing on (making up an > >> example here) debian/.build over debian/build. > > > > Same here. The arguments against debian/build are very weak. If we care > > about a source packag

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:40:43PM +0100]: > >> The only problem you mentioned was vim-tiny (arch: any) depending on > >> vim-common (arch: all) and these sometimes getting out of sync on Debian > >> Ports. I don't think that is a good reason to switch editors and ther

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ansgar dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 09:49:49AM +0100]: > And Debian ships vim-tiny, not vim, as part of the minimal > installation. That the same source package also builds other versions > doesn't really matter for vim-tiny. > > The only problem you mentioned was vim-tiny (arch: any) depending on >

Re: BITS from the DPL For September/October 2019

2019-10-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon Richter dijo [Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:46:21PM +0100]: > Hi, > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:38:32PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > If we have such vote again, I'll continue on this direction: I'd prefer > > if we didn't have to vote. > > >From a Policy perspective, packages are supposed

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, May 28, 2019 at 04:51:10PM +0100]: > While trying to write the dgit FAQ, and some of the relevant docs, it > has become even more painfully obvious that we lack a good handle on > what all the different ways are that people use git to do their Debian > packaging, and what peo

Re: Leftover in ftp-master.debian.org/dm.txt after DM -> DD transition

2018-08-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Boyuan Yang dijo [Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:17:17PM -0400]: > Hello all, > > My role in Debian recently changed from Debian Maintainer to Debian > Developer. > However, my DM permission record [1] in > https://ftp-master.debian.org/dm.txt are still left untouched. When I try to > remove them, I w

Re: Research survey: Impact of Microsoft Acquisition of GitHub

2018-08-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 04:33:46PM +0100]: > Asavaseri Natnaree writes ("Re: Research survey: Impact of Microsoft > Acquisition of GitHub"): > I am happy to announce that we are ready > to release preliminary results of the "Developer Perception to > Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Matthew Crews dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 01:10:06PM -0400]: > On April 18, 2018 9:19 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > But why would ü not be part of the sorting? Yes, that was my example > > before you censored my thought process - In Spanish, [áéíóú] and > > [aeiou] share the sam

Re: Lucas Kanashiro and Athos Ribeiro hijack my package

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Athos Ribeiro dijo [Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 06:31:31PM -0300]: > (...) > I can not change what had happened here but I hope we can put this > behind us and move forward. > > @debian-devel: > > I am sorry my past actions have been taking so much time of everyone > else, which could be put into someth

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephan Seitz dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 05:11:47PM +0200]: > On Mi, Apr 18, 2018 at 02:47:11 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:23:29AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > really? there's more than one alphabetical order for english words? > > yes, sorting depends on the loca

Re: libzstd_1.3.3+dfsg-2_multi.changes REJECTED

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Chris Lamb dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:52:18PM +0100]: > (...) > Whilst this is not the most egregious example, I am not enjoying > this recent trend of almost-immediately escalating issues to our > mailing lists. > > As has been pointed out elsewhere, people make mistakes in > technical matters

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

2018-03-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:18:18PM +0200]: > On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template > > and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR > > 003 in 2016¹,

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

2018-03-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Chris Lamb dijo [Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:14:37PM +]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Dear fellow developers, > > As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee > has recommended the appointment of Simon McVittie (smcv). Yay! Welcome on board!

Re: FTP Policy Development

2018-03-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Robbins dijo [Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 01:15:35PM -0600]: > (...) > To me, one of the puzzling aspects is why the FTP policy work has been so > secretive. The release team has a mailing list, tech committee has a mailing > list. There is Debian Policy list. It doesn't seem in congruence that

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] three.js_80+dfsg2-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-03-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 03:15:42PM +0530]: > >> 1. If a single ftp master is in disagreement, there should be a team > >> decision (in previous cases of disagreement also, other team members did > >> not get involved). > > > > I'm lost already, sorry. As I understand the case of

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Philipp Kern dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 09:18:13AM +0100]: > Putting security support over all else is surely how some people see it. But > some upstreams also complain if you are going to ship ancient versions > because the most recent ones contain all of the fixes. It's certainly more > work to v

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 03:19:59PM +0100]: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > > - we could relax our requirements and have a way to document the > > > limitations of those packages (wrt our usual policies) > > > > Which requirements are you referri

Re: Bug#890816: ITP: autovpn -- Connect to a VPN in a country of your choice

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:44:40PM +0100]: > > I'd strongly urge you to reconsider packaging this project, for > > three main reasons: > > > > * It relies upon the external VPNGate.net site/service. If this > > goes away in the lifetime of a stable Debian release users

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:57:53PM +0100]: > > Minification is quite comparable to compilation. I will give you some > > examples from my frustration with Drupal8 in this answer. This can no > > longer be seen as source code: > > ... > > I disagree, it is not maintainable source

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:07:06PM +0100]: > > Is was a relevant part of the problem mentioned in Raphaels bug > > report: Minified JS libraries without source code. this was one > > of the starting points of this discussion. (#890598) > > Right, although merely technical since t

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 06:12:04PM +0100]: > > No, I think it's better if people know they're on their own for maintaining > > something. What's surely worse is when we ship stuff that we know we can't > > properly maintain in the long term. Better to be out of the archive than in

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:58:04PM +0100]: > Can't we treat a .deb file like a container in the sense that it may > include additional source if needed? I'd very much like this. > > I know that this does create some problems for us, e.g. on the security > side, but the alternativ

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
W. Martin Borgert dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 06:59:21PM +0100]: > If I understand Samuels idea correctly, he likes to have multiple > versions of the same (JavaScript) library installed on Debian. > Not "stuff", but proper Debian packages, with all bells and whistles. > Only that you don't remove n

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:11:29PM +0100]: > Hello everybody, > > the fact that I had to request the removal of dolibarr from Debian makes > me sad (see below for the reasons) and I believe that we should be able > to do better to provide complex applications to our end users. >

Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

2017-12-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
W. Martin Borgert dijo [Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 02:39:12PM +0100]: > Every time I need a Debian ISO, it takes me minutes to find it. > I didn't even know, that there were an ISO with non-free firmware. > > There should be a beautiful ISO download page, e.g. > https://www.debian.org/download[s]/ > wit

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Arturo Borrero Gonzalez dijo [Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 01:15:04PM +0100]: > >> It would have been best for him to download the ISO with non-free > >> firmware embedded, do you know how he made the decision to download > >> the ISO without non-free firmware? > > What others say is true. It's not easy t

Re: Bug#882445: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 02:40:54PM -0700]: > Hello David, > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:18:37PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > >> > "cowsay-offensive". In this situation the "-offensive" package can > >> > be Suggested by the core package(s), but should not be Recommended > >> >

Re: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:32:40PM +]: > So to be concrete, how about this: > > N. Packages with potentially offensive content > > As a maintainer you should make a judgement about whether the > contents of a package is appropriate to include, whether it needs > any kin

Re: Bug#877212: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 01:29:16PM +0100]: > I have also heard of packages which do "apt-get source" in their rules > files. > > I think that both of these activities are reasonable things to do. > They don't violate the self-containedness of Debian. If they are > technically forbi

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 04:52:37PM +0530]: > > However, that verification isn't really sufficient if a rebuild > > on the buildds could download an entirely different version of the > > out-of-archive tools: a sufficiently inventive attacker who had gained > > control over upstrea

Re: Bug#877212: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jérémy Lal dijo [Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 07:46:43PM +0200]: > It might be a good idea to make policy more explicit about downloads during > build. I completely agree. This led me to look at #813471 ("network access to the loopback device should be allowed"), and... Well, it seems to set the stage to

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 12:12:54PM +0530]: > > I am completely with Sean here; I read the following messages, and am > > happy a better resolution was found. But, FWIW, I'll support Sean's > > interpretation - Contrib and non-free are *not* places where we can > > happily breach a

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 12:10:54PM -0700]: > > The whole purpose of having contrib and non-free is to host packages > > that can't be in main, either permanently or temporarily. I fail to > > see how it is against the spirit. > > To my mind, at least, the purpose of contrib and non

Re: popularity-contest reachs 200000 submitters!

2017-06-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Zlatan Todoric dijo [Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 01:05:10AM +0200]: > > Reports by versions of popcon: > > > > 1.46 (lenny) : 2925 > > 1.49 (squeeze) : 9600 > > 1.56 (wheezy) : 33450 > > 1.61 (jessie) : 1

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
> [ Note Reply-To: set to d-devel ] (answering only to said list) > Hey, Hiya, > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the >

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Arturo Borrero Gonzalez dijo [Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200]: > Hi Paul, > > I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of > improvement in the marketing side. > Modern and fancy things. > > The LXDE example is good on that. Is a good example on how to craft content-void we

Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth?

2017-05-15 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonathan Dowland dijo [Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:27:27AM +0100]: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > Nice to have: > (snip) > > - Mailinglists > > I've always thought it a bit weird, unfortunate (and possibly a historical > accident) > that we have lists.debian.org

Bug#860714: general: disk became full after running a perl program

2017-04-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
The bug submitter followed up by private mail to me only; I'm cc:ing the bug report before closing it to provide a reasoned follow-up. - Forwarded message from Luis Duarte - Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:36:29 +0100 From: Luis Duarte To: Gunnar Wolf Subject: Re: Bug#860714: general:

Bug#860714: general: disk became full after running a perl program

2017-04-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Luis Duarte dijo [Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:40:10AM +0100]: > Package: general > Severity: normal > > My windows manager is Xfce. Using Thunar - when I opened a directory > containing > perl programs, somethimes I click two times on a perl program to start it. No > Xterm appears - what I think that

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:18:57PM -0700]: > >> I have a very different perception > > > > Me too. I guess it depends very much on whether one can afford to buy > > a good laptop which works well with Linux. > > I think there's a pre-requisite that's much harder for a lot of peop

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 04:33:15PM -0700]: > > So, my idea was, in short: Thinking in a post-Buster world, do we even > > need the finalized line? I mean, take a look at debian/changes. The > > archive handling tools do get both «Date» and «Changed-By» fields, > > which reflect when

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 04:35:19PM -0700]: > > (Of course, the signoff line in the changelog is redundant with > > the GPG signature, which is what actually matters but isn't at all > > user-visible...) > > It's not redundant for sponsored uploads where the sponsor is not a > membe

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
any* sense nowadays? Let me explain. I think this line has clear signs of days long past: -- Gunnar Wolf Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:37:57 +0600 Yes, in some way it summarizes who did the last (or first? or n-th?) modification to the changelog entry in case. But, given we see team-maintained workflo

Re: Team analysis graphs

2017-02-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Tille dijo [Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM +0100]: > Hi, > > this is my yearly hint to the teammetrics graphs you can find for your > team at > > http://blends.debian.net/liststats/ Very interesting! I will share this link with a student who is working with me and doing time-relate

Re: If you can't describe what the package is, you probably should not Intend To Package it.

2017-01-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi Jordi, Jordi Mallach dijo [Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:38:18PM +0100]: > I know dh-make-golang creates an "ITP template" that you edit to > correct/improve the autogenerated stuff, and the description comes > directly from the README.md in the github repo. I wonder if the nodejs > stuff does someth

Re: Bug#851306: ITP: freebayes -- Bayesian haplotype-based polymorphism discovery and genotyping

2017-01-15 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Scott Kitterman dijo [Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 04:34:40PM +]: > >> "freebayes" seems like a very generic name for something specific to > >such a > >> narrow field. Maybe freebayes-genetic-variance or some such instead. > > > >I fully agree with your generic name consideration. The software is >

Re: spammers closing bugs in BTS

2016-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:38:35PM +0200]: > I was only talking about control emails (e.g. the -done address and > control@). The requirements for opening bugs or submitting comments > (without pseudo-headers) could remain as they are. > > Maybe it could insist that emails from a

Re: use long keyid-format in gpg.conf (Re: Key collisions in the wild

2016-08-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gunnar Wolf dijo [Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 02:08:12PM -0500]: > That's the reason why a key by itself means little, but we do place > value on the web of trust around it. > (...blah...) Anyway, I managed to twist my mail with many facts and make it into a long mess :) That was my main

Re: use long keyid-format in gpg.conf (Re: Key collisions in the wild

2016-08-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Samuel Thibault dijo [Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 02:03:33PM +0200]: > And actually, moving to 64bit fingerprints by default is possibly not a > good idea: who knows when 64bit will not be secure any more? Estimating > very roughly, if a 32bit collision can be found within a few seconds > with one GPU now

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:30:21PM +0200]: > I sign keys by a similar policy as Gunnar, it seems. But I do sign also > people I have not met before... > > The logic I use is that I should be able to re-identify later. If I > meet the person later I might have forgotten thei

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jakub Wilk dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 07:30:42PM +0200]: > * Nikolaus Rath , 2016-06-23, 09:23: > >I am wondering if the extra burden is worth the gain in security. If > >everyone were to follow this procedure then the bar to becoming a Debian > >developer would be raised significantly. > > As as

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:32:28PM +0300]: > PS. *Obviously* a policy to only sign keys for people you already know > is a stratagem to get people to talk to me at parties. Grah, my evil plan has been foiled. I fear, I will sit lonely with no friends at DebConf :-( Please, someb

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700]: > > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > > documents to others. This is one of the issues why we don't have > > long-queue key signing

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 02:38:52PM +1000]: > Hi Gunnar, > I'm basically in Sydney Australia, however finding time to meet people > is difficult these days, with work, a wife and two little kids. > I live in Penrith NSW, and work in Granville NSW. I do travel up and > down the east c

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:31:57PM +1000]: > Hi all, > > I need to get my key signed, is anyone willing to work with me via > video conferencing. > > I have uploaded my key to keyring.debian.org and I have also signed > this message. > > I have a scan of my government issued driv

Re: Next steps for gitlab.debian (Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project)

2016-06-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 11:22:11PM +0530]: > Does gitolite allow merge requests? How easy it is for a new contributor > to use gitolite? I think the merge request workflow is really the key. Gitolite is a very lightweight way to manage access to a set of Git repositories to sever

Bug#819663: O: collabtive

2016-03-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Collabtive is a very nice and simple, calendar- and project-based group collaboration tool. The package description reads: Description: Web-based project management software This package is intended for small to medium-sized businesses and freelancers.

Re: dbconfig-common: near future change in dependency stack

2015-12-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mathias Behrle dijo [Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 10:16:38AM +0100]: > Some questions for Tryton server: > > The situation is > > - Tryton server runs out of the box without configuration with a SQLite > database > - The (strongly) recommended database is PostgreSQL, but there is also support > for M

Re: Buen dia

2015-09-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
[ Sending instructions on how to subscribe to our lists ] Marcos Jimenez dijo [Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 04:05:23AM +]: > Buen dia me gustaria suscribirme > > Marcos Jimenez Hola Marcos, Para subscribirse a las listas de Debian, puedes hacerlo desde nuestra página Web. Para esta lista en particu

Re: Security concerns with minified javascript code

2015-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Vincent Bernat dijo [Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 09:47:23AM +0200]: > If you talk about uglifyjs or the like, it is already packaged and > doesn't solve all the problems we have (see my message to Odyx, > ). > > If you talk about Grunt, Grunt comes with a lot of plugins (and does > almost nothing without

Re: Security concerns with minified javascript code

2015-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 09:32:12AM +0300]: > However, I want to raise the point that upstreams do not always make > sensible decisions, and if they don't, it's good to raise that with > them. For example, there was recently an ITP bug for > node-number-is-nan. Upstream source code

Re: Security concerns with minified javascript code

2015-09-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Vincent Bernat dijo [Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:48:28AM +0200]: > >> What will happen is that maintainers will fallback to the second less > >> horrible solution and cripple the package (by using an older version of > >> the JS lib for example) to allow it to stay in main. > > > > Why would they want

Re: Security concerns with minified javascript code

2015-09-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Vincent Bernat dijo [Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:54:43AM +0200]: > > I still find it hard to believe that *so* much code is required to > > minify JS. The excuse that JS is "moving fast" is nonsense. The reality > > would appear to be that nobody actually *cares* about the mess, they > > just use it. >

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-09-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:41:59PM +0200]: > > Please tell me which package is the one misbehaving and I gladly report it. > > But so far I have yet to figure that our. > > Are you sure that you did not shutdown your computer from GNOME and did > not pay attention to the new che

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