W. Borgert wrote:
(I would prefer to get all the technical information on
debian-devel
Andreas writes:
Same for me who does not spent time in reading blogs.
Me as well.
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on a per-user basis. This will help
administration of per-user installed stuff in the same way that the
FHS helps with machine-global installed stuff.
I like this idea.
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is supposed
to be started/stopped at, is essential, I think.
If you've had any such problems with sysvconfig please file bug reports.
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needs a choice of venue clause in
order to file suit against you in his home jurisdiction?
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Thomas Bushnell writes:
Not quite correct. You are buing not just the right to read it; you are
also buying the physical copy, and you may do with it what you want: loan
it, rent it...
In some jurisdictions lending is an exclusive right of the copyright
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The Fungi writes:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that it would be more
effective to try to get http://www.callwave.com/members/cancel/ bumped up
to the top of the google search instead.
Now that sounds sensible.
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that of the law.
That's the problem. How does the law judge the quality of works of
authorship? Do the courts employ panels of literary critics?
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the US notion of originality.
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small fee with no possibility of denial).
When they need external expertise they may do for that specific case.
So if I brought suit against someone for making unauthorized copies of my
Usenet articles a court guided by panel of literary critics might rule them
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Matthew Garrett writes:
That should be spam - SPAM is a trademark of Hormel Foods
Corporation.
Only when used to sell food (in which case spam would also infringe the
mark).
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Please do not follow up to these messages. These idiots apparently Google
the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find. Posting about the
subject here just creates more hits.
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Don't follow up. Reply to them privately.
On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should
at least be polite.
Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up. They are not
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courts would find it confusingly similar to Hormel's
SPAM mark. While the canonical form of a word trademark is all caps,
changing the capitalization or typeface won't save you from infringement.
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But I did not cc them. That was my point (I replied privately with an
entirely different message).
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Tommy Nordgren writes:
I wan't to do this because my own OS don't contain any built in support
tools for Debian Archives
You want the 'alien' program. It should be available for your
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Perhaps we need some sort of a weakly conflicts. Sort of the inverse of
recommends.
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port including i386.
Make it 98% of the packages buildable on the accepted port with the highest
build percentage.
How was 98% arrived at?
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I admit that a machine without network is of little use...
Bringing the machine up without networking can be useful for problem
solving. I prefer to use multiple consoles when doing so. This requires
multiuser.
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Perhaps the upstream README should be renamed 'README.upstream'?
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W. Borgert writes:
as a conclusion of many discussions at DebConf5, I propose to maintain
all packages by teams.
You would have a team maintain 'units'? That's silly.
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I wrote:
You would have a team maintain 'units'? That's silly.
W. Borgert writes:
If the team maintains only the package 'units', yes. If the
same team maintains multiple relating packages, it's different.
There are no packages related to units.
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Does there exist a list of all the packages that install scripts in
/etc/init.d?
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I wrote:
Does there exist a list of all the packages that install scripts in
/etc/init.d?
Marco writes:
Yes, it's called Contents-$ARCH.gz...
Thanks. That gives me some of what I need.
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a feature to sysvconfig to configure LSB
runlevels.
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Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes:
If the local admin needs multiple multi-user runlevels, he can always set
it up himself (and use a initscript system that supports it without
hassle ;-) ),
Could you suggest one?
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I wrote:
Please check the archives. This has been discussed many times. It is
clear that there is going to be no change.
Javier writes:
The last sentence is not true. For some of the compelling reasons as to
why this should change...
I didn't say it shouldn't change.
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policy-rc.d
update-rc.d (this is the only one installed on my system)
sysvconfig
Any others? This seems excessive!
Update-rc.d and sysvconfig do not do the same thing. Read the man pages.
And policy-rc.d is not an rc.d manager.
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Dan Jacobson writes:
But the downsize is later, unless one keeps records, one isn't quite sure
of just what tampering one has done in /etc/rc?.d/
Sysvconfig keeps records.
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for their respective target audiences.
It _should_...
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on the domain of application.
So I'd suggest concentrating on the 3% of packages non-technical users
might actually want to select manually, and making sure those have
legible and searchable descriptions.
Technical users don't deserve legible and searchable descriptions?
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Michael writes:
Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that
I took it for a joke.
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Lars Wirzenius writes:
Is this acceptable to everyone?
It's fine with me.
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Jon Dowland writes:
I think you are expecting people to say C++, and on the other hand, Perl:
However, I think perl for both :-)
I agree.
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go in non-free. Users of non-free are
expected to read the licenses.
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Francesco P. Lovergine writes:
Any possibility of producing a nice web report on a per package basis?
...
Filling BTS reports could be not so appropriate.
I'd prefer bug reports.
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martin f krafft writes:
a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense.
Only in the rather strained sense that she is also a Libranet, Mepis,
and Linspire maintainer.
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It is still using a copyrighted/trademarked (don't know which) name
There is no such thing as a copyrighted name. The name does appear to have
been a trademark at one time, but if enough time has gone by without a
product being marketed under that name the trademark will have lapsed.
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. The fact is that the most they
_will_ do is look at the Web site. You can't even rely on them to do that:
they need to be sent press releases.
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Suppose you'd like to generate a random pass by default after your daemon
is installed. How should you get that pass to the user? Is it allowed to
write it to a file in root's home dir?
Chrony puts it in a file in /etc/chrony.
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ever.
You assume that our usage is infringing. I don't think that is
established.
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Steve Greenland writes:
Dummy packages work, and have the advantage that it's very clear what is
going on.
Users often find them very confusing.
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if however I try
to pass off my completely rebuilt car and tried to pass it off as
ford.
If I put a NAPA water pump in my Ford I am not required to remove the Ford
logos before selling it.
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Eric Dorland writes:
We may be their friends, but that shouldn't give us special privileges.
If what we are doing does not actually infringe their trademark we would
not be getting any special privileges.
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selling my truck.
Basically, the only references that I found in BR case law were to
*advertising* and *misrepresenting* something as being from the wrong
origin.
Same in the US.
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If their policy is not legally enforceable our users have all the rights we
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waits...
Which is why you need dependencies.
Alternatively, don't start Apache and Postgres on your workstation to
save a second or two in the boot process.
I use Apache and PostgreSQL on my workstation.
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Eric Dorland writes:
If we don't need the arrangement, why exactly would we accept it
anyway?
Because they want it and it costs us nothing to give it to them. They are
our friends. Let's accommodate them where we can.
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Luca writes:
Under gnome you can find gpppkill and gpppon, but they can't manage
provider setting.
Gpppon doesn't need to manage settings. It uses the same settings as
pon/poff, which can be managed with pppconfig.
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not do
without explicit permission[1].
[1] I doubt that trademark law reaches that far, but I am not a lawyer.
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on. There is no DFSG problem
here even if we do accept the notion that the DFSG applies to trademarks.
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of these constitute trademark infringement.
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Peter Samuelson writes:
I'm curious to know where you got that impression. I just reread the
DFSG and it makes no mention of copyrights, trademarks or patents.
The legislative history of the DFSG makes it quite clear that it was only
intended to apply to copyrights.
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Bernardo Arlandis Mañó writes:
Even when a package is free that doesn't mean you can name it using a
trademark name, that would be an illegal use of a trademark.
it is not at all clear that that is true. A trademark owner does not have
anywhere near the rights of a copyright owner.
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Humberto Massa Guimarães writes:
But is non-rebranded Firefox *really* distributable by us under GPL#6,
no further restrictions?
Yes. Copyright and trademark are completely orthogonal.
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but have no idea how to change them. The advice to boot to
runlevel 3 to fix X is commonly seen even on debian-user.
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that package names infringe.
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runlevels be what
most people expect them to be.
And it _does_ come with predefined options and settings: ones unique to
Debian.
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continuing to customize
your runlevels. We are mererly proposing to change the default, not to
impose anything on you.
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Wouter Verhelst writes:
In practice, many third-party applications will make assumptions about
the availability and configuration of runlevels...
Seems to me that the most likely such assumption is that the runlevels are
Red Hat-like.
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that you are proposing.
Roberto C. Sanchez writes:
I agree. I rather like being able to configure run levels to my liking.
Why would defaulting to something other than the current flat arrangement
prevent you from configuring your runlevels to your liking?
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_lack_ that confuses them.
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Roberto C. Sanchez writes:
Where, pray tell, is a newbie going to learn about [runlevels]?
a) By having used Red Hat.
b) By reading up on Linux before trying to use it (yes, some people _do_
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of the pro-patent companies). They believe that the OSS companies
can just pay the royalties and all will be fine.
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It is not possible for a work to be both public domain and educational
use only.
Do you mean that Microsoft has patented an invention that was published in
the referenced work, or that they are infringing the copyright?
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the company that now calls itself SCO is not the original SCO. It used
to be called Caldera and was a Linux company. It bought SCO's Unix
business (and the name SCO) from SCO. At about the time that it sued IBM
it changed its name to The SCO Group and now calls itself SCO.
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that everyone has been paying close attention to Ubuntu
and it's activities. While I have the impression that many Debian senior
developers are involved with it, I can name only one who I am sure is and
one who I am sure isn't.
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NOKUBI Takatsugu writes:
BTW, there is the n-gram word in libdigest-nilsimsa-perl package's
description without explain of the word.
Where it helps to render the description incomprehensible.
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resulted from deliberate policies of attempting to lock-in customers with
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they are generally frowned
upon.
I agree that they may have drawbacks, but I don't believe that they can
cause the sort of damage that the Unix wars caused.
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Russ Allbery writes:
So far as I know, a base package (section base) has no particular special
meaning from a dependency perspective, although I believe that section
may be reserved for required packages (but am not sure).
There are optional packages in base.
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Transcode is not in Debian because the codecs are not DFSG-compliant.
Look at http://apt-get.org for an unofficial package.
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They have Adam Majer is responsible for this Debian package with a
link to Debian's QA.
For me they have:
John Hasler is the maintainer of the following distribution packages:
Ubuntu Linux :: hoary :: pppconfig
Anyway, the bottom line is,
1. I'm a Debian Developer and chose to be associated
grants specific rights to the owner of a copy of a piece of software.
Better to be more specific, though.
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For nearly everyone else software is free if you don't have to pay for it.
Should we then package everything that won't get us sued?
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Matthew Garrett writes:
In general, the law doesn't allow us to modify the license attached to a
piece of software.
That has nothing to do with creating a derivative of a license for use
elsewhere.
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a) the BIOS requirements are
such that many problems have only one solution and so Compaq's code was
certain to be very similar (or even identical) to IBM's in many places and
b) they expected IBM to sue and wanted a bulletproof defense (IBM did not
sue).
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the resulting
firmware can be released under a free license without any legal risks.
Unless you've signed an NDA you're fine. Just do it.
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copy any protected code you'll be fine.
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if
the food is rotten before it gets to the consumer?
That's what Unstable is for.
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Thomas Hood wrote:
Should Debian initscripts use lsb init-functions?
Where can we find these functions?
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-specific. It's just a little Perl program that
edits some PPP files. While I have never tried it, I see no reason why it
wouldn't work on Solaris or BSD.
I'm quite surprised that the Hurd still doesn't support PPP.
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adjustments before delivering the mail to my ISP's smarthost. The only
change I've ever found necessary, though, is to forge the HELO command used
by my MTA when talking to the smarthost.
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the difference between appalling style and deliberate obfuscation.
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Joe Wreschnig writes:
I don't know what the official standards for the character set and
terminal specifications are...
Whatever IBM said they were. I believe they are in the IBM PC Technical
Reference Manual: I've got one around here somewhere.
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a year.
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_target_
_architecture_ and then compare the binaries. I don't see why they should
differ.
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Brian Nelson writes:
That's an overstatement. Simply having two architectures (i386 and ppc)
would be enough to reveal nearly all portability bugs.
It required several architectures to uncover all of the portability bugs in
Chrony. ppc was not one of them.
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configuration. At least make enabling the change a Debconf
question.
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