On Sun, Dec 06 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 11:44:39AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Making a package essential in order to avoid a if clause in
postinsts is very likely too frivolous a reason to pass muster, yes.
I do not want to avoid the if-clause. I
On Sun, Dec 06 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:
On So, 06 Dez 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
So, policy does not require dependencies to be around at least
during purge.
Ah yes of course, sorry. I was referring to the remove phase, where it
is also not present, although policy states
On Sun, Dec 06 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
Hello,
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 08:35:38PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I never said that. The problem are not the files owned by the package,
but the files owned by ucf, which are modified by ucfr, while not
restoring the changes if ucf
On Sun, Dec 06 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 09:28:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Dec 06 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 11:44:39AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Making a package essential in order to avoid
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Or should we simply not care about packages modifying files (via
external tools) and not reverting those changes when beeing removed?
If you are going to remove the file, why bother reverting any
changes?
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but the files owned by ucf, which are modified by ucfr, while not
restoring the changes if ucf is not around.
Well, if ucf is not around, one should not expect the internal
state of ucf to be up to date. Is this a problem?
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On Sat, Dec 05 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 05:25:29PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, Dec 05 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 06:37:45PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
It is the package's responsibility to remove those files, ucf
not require dependencies to be around at least
during purge.
manoj
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not need either, but the maturity level of
the people in the discussion often leaves much to be desired. Despite
that, hiding our problems in smoky backrooms is contrary to our
charter, no?
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On Fri, Dec 04 2009, Russell Coker wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Nothing wrong with that. But when people are told to shut up
since Supe Speshul Sekrit discussions are going one betwen Really Ver
Important People, and the people partaking
On Fri, Dec 04 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 03/12/09 at 23:55 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Thu, Dec 03 2009, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
Right now we're working on updating the Debian Python Policy. Once we'll
be happy with the first set of patches, we'll send them to debian-python
reporters share a cab, and no matter who pays, each
puts the full fare on his own expense account. -- Edward P. O'Doyle
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altering current setup.
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preserve all user changes.
It seems to be that a better approach is to inform the user, and
let the admin make the changes needed.
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On Sat, Nov 28 2009, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 16:43 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, Nov 28 2009, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:56:01 +0100
Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org wrote:
Am 28.11.2009 18:52, schrieb Bastian Blank:
Hi folks
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I would like to help, especially when it comes to support for
submodules.
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On Wed, Nov 18 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:42:47AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
I beg to differ. This sounds like a maintainer that is not
providing the support for their package, and needs to orphan that
package; not building on some architecture
people are of
everything.
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them
| in the shared library package. Otherwise, several versions of the
| shared library cannot be installed at the same time without
| filename clashes, making upgrades and transitions unnecessarily
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Split up
to orphan that
package; not building on some architecture is often a symptom of
problems elsewhere as well. I am not sure we ought to support
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On Wed, Nov 04 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:29:53PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Do you understand why people are getting annoyed ?
They have a lot of bloody gall to be annoyed thatpeople file
bugs about serious policy violations that they have signed
, and perform according to our fears.
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NMUers would implement anyhow and
hence is overkilling to look for something more complicated.
This answer is independent of what we decide should go into that set of
checks.
ACK.
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On Tue, Nov 03 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 09:30:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
The ideal solution would be to have dak know the previous state and do
not accept _regressions_ wrt the previous set of fatal upload errors
(according to the proposed wording
another fortune cookie.
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Le Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:01:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
when we do add such a lintian check to the blacklist, we also file serious
bugs against those packages in the archive; and aggressively work to either
fix the packages
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about
these errors, then?
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On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Michael Banck wrote:
Hi Manoj,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 01:03:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
getting around to filing bugs on policy MUST violations and others that
make the package too buggy to be in Debian
Please respect the tradition and discuss mass-filing
On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Michael Banck wrote:
Hi Manoj,
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 01:03:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
getting around to filing bugs on policy MUST violations and others that
make the package too buggy to be in Debian
Please respect the tradition
are possibly to blame, don't you think?
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On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org (01/11/2009):
This was not a mass filing as I reaed it. Each bug was filed
after being checked individually, and was filed one by one,
manually. This was not a massive script which could have massive
On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org (01/11/2009):
This was not a mass filing as I reaed it. Each bug was filed
after being checked individually, and was filed one by one,
manually. This was not a massive script which
.
All delegates feel like they are god, when it comes to their
part of the process.
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Le Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 08:38:56AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
People ignoring bugs wilfully are possibly to blame, don't you think?
So blame them. But as for reporting a large number of RC bugs, it has
If there are a large
On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 08:38:56AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Wow, time goes so fast, it is already the season for attempting to delay
the
release!
People ignoring bugs wilfully are possibly to blame, don't you think
help these folks do
the same thing?
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On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:54:52PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Well, just like the release team apparently has the right to
arbitrarily overrule policy and decide when serious bugs are not
serious -- as opposed to not RC -- yup
On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Ben Finney wrote:
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On Sun, Nov 01 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
And that justifies forcing these people to move your pet cosmetic
issues to the top of their todo list?
Not my pet cosmetic issue. This is a decision
can't have everything... where would you put it? Steven Wright
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* orphan package. I am not using
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This is not a new solution, I think trac and mediawiki have
solved this, I think.
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a rule that
says that make -f debian/rules and ./debian/rules must behave
identically, to prevent confusion, and to promote reproducibility, and
conform to the principle of least surprise.
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On Fri, Oct 30 2009, Tobi wrote:
Manoj Srivastava schrieb:
1. SPECIAL_VDR_SUFFIX=devel make -f debian/rules build
2. make -f debian/rules SPECIAL_VDR_SUFFIX=devel build
3. SPECIAL_VDR_SUFFIX=devel ./debian/rules build
4. ./debian/rules SPECIAL_VDR_SUFFIX=devel build
Giving you
On Fri, Oct 30 2009, Ben Finney wrote:
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
I think it would be a good idea to _add_ to policy a rule that
says that make -f debian/rules and ./debian/rules must behave
identically
also review policy, and make sure that these rejects
are also linked to must directives in policy.
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, the on the run mangling of the makefile is cute, but
harder to debug. I do not see it as elegant, but has a clever hack
that makes things harder to read, really.
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be invoked by
saying its name rather than invoking make explicitly. still is true.
And it still can be built by invoking make explicitly.
Manoj Srivastava now filed some (automatic) bug reports about this,
so I'm seeking advice on what to do.
They were all manually filed, with checks
or fileB. Each file is all
uncontaminated now.
This is not a technical shortcoming of using Makefiles.
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to the dirty work. That's just harder to
integrate into our pbuilder build process.
It is not at all harder to include it into pbuilder.
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On Wed, Oct 28 2009, Tobi wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
This is what the make directive 'include' is all
about. Conditionally, include fileA or fileB. Each file is all
uncontaminated now.
This is not a technical shortcoming of using Makefiles.
You're right. What we
On Tue, Oct 27 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 05:41:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
In article 87r5sudn0p.fsf...@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com you wrote:
[ $(stat -c %d/%i /sbin/init) = $(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/exe
2/dev/null) ] ; then
# So, init
to know who knows not also how to unknow. Sir Richard
Burton
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On Tue, Oct 27 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:17:08AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Not needed. If init has been just upgraded, it has been already
told to init -u itself.
This does not appear to be true for upstart, which it's planned to switch
, sure. Need to do something when
bored with job interview prep.
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On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Michael Biebl wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
if [ $(stat -c %d/%i /) = $(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root
2/dev/null) ]; then
It was brought to my attention [1], that apparently this check does
not work on GNU/Hurd as it does not provide /proc/$PID/root
[1] http
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:56AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I created a elaborate test case tos ee if we are in a chroot, if
not if /proc/1 is actually /sbin/init
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I created a elaborate test case tos ee if we are in a chroot, if
not if /proc/1 is actually /sbin/init, and that telinit exists (example
below).
Why are they not able
scripts,
even in theory.
A failure of imagination on our art should not be used to block
this functionality for cases where it might be needed.
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On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Simplicity of the policy?Is it really that onerous Most people
just let the helper packages create the maintainer scripts, of just
program b example.
Yes, simplicity of the policy.
From what I saw, no one
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:21:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote:
Why are they not able to ignore the errors from telinit? All checked
packages uses this to ask init to reexecute itself and free old library
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