Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:35:26 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: - security patches should be clearly marked as such in every *.patch file That sounds like a good idea, could you add it to the wiki page? I added

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:52:14 + Patrick Schleizer adrela...@riseup.net wrote: Marko Randjelovic: I was thinking about some kind of wizard: - create a chroot if doesn't already exist - create a launcher for your DE - create a shell script to run a program from terminal or a simple

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-28 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:57:39 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-11 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:55:16 -0300 Undefined User unknowuse...@gmail.com wrote: Perfect solution. Debian installer should provide you information about desktop environments and let the user choose it. +1 -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-09 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:31:09 +0100 Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote: A few months ago I drafted an idea to rewrite init.d scripts to use a common implementation and only specify the unique parts in the init.d scripts themselves. That draft can be found on URL:

Re: Bug#727708: Init should be simple, secure, and get out of the way. It should not take over the system. We should not be forced to use one that does.

2014-02-03 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 19:11:52 -0500 (EST) Thilos Rich thilos.r...@aol.com wrote: Init should be simple, secure, and get out of the way. It should not take over the system. We should not be forced to use an init that does. This man said it best:

Re: sysvinit: moving the contents out of the Essential: yes package?

2013-11-27 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:42:43 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: With the above, it's easy to switch from one to the other. Well, that is before the mess with the version-depends on sysv-rc introduced by the debhelper thing for upstart, which messed-up a few things... I hope many

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-11-08 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:44:23 -0600 Conrad Nelson y...@marupa.net wrote: Not everyone is a programmer, but a lot of non-programmers are still admins but are not interested in working with shell scripts if they don't have to. We already have: skeleton, /etc/default. I agree it's poor, but

Re: Arguments for tech-ctte (Was: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system)

2013-11-08 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Additional arguments in favor of sysvinit: * systemd and upstart lead to vendor lock-in; it will be complicated later to return back or change to third option, as well to change from first to second option * I don't have a feeling that configuration can be very simpler than shell scripts; there

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-06 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:00:09 -0500 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: What? Sorry, what? Are you disagreeing with yourself? If it's so important to a UNIX system, why do you say it's not technical ... I said it's not *only* technical. Big companies all over and over again show they

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-06 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:04:53 +0100 Adrien CLERC adr...@antipoul.fr wrote: And SysVInit just works well and it is simply enough. It has much less dependencies than systemd. Do not make unneeded weight on people to learn systemd in addition to shell scripts, if systemd is powerful that also

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:07:36 +0200 Lucas Nussbaum lea...@debian.org wrote: I think that it would be a failure of the Debian project if we had to have a GR about such a technical decision. I think that we need to trust that the Technical Committee will make the right decision. A GR about this

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-11-03 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Just to say we should not expect to much from DNSSEC because DNSSEC is centralized: https://gnunet.org/uva2013 -- http://mr.flossdaily.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-11-03 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:32:40 +0100 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 11:15:36AM +0100, Marko Randjelovic wrote: Just to say we should not expect to much from DNSSEC because DNSSEC is centralized: Could you explain the problems you see a bit more verbose

Re: Propose Release Goals (delayed ;) - xz compression

2013-10-25 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:49:54 +0200 Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de wrote: Hi, The only problem is that on small machines (things like the BeagleBone) xz compression requires enough memory that you have to enable swap to use dpkg. Now on a machine with a sensible disk this is not a

Re: Propose Release Goals (delayed ;) - xz compression

2013-10-25 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:52:38 +0200 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: xz has slow compression, fast decompression. You're not really going to build packages on any box where compression speed is a blocker, and even if you do, actually building the package will take a wolf share of the