your argument. The *VAST* majority of a libraries users are never going
to look at the man pages for that library. People who need the man pages
are going to have the -dev installed, or can easily install it. I don't
see why upstreams needs this.
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and/or
devhelp etc.
I'd remove the generated from the source code clause. Yes, many
projects choose to do their docs that way. Some don't.
Would these changes need a GR?
No.
Or submit these ideas to -policy and take from there?
Yes.
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with significant documentation,
sure, a seperate -doc makes sense, just as we do now.
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I'd like to see all library source packages having a minimum of 4
binary packages required
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*If I want or need command xxzz, which packages can give me that?
You'll need
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harm than good - I haven't yet had to do this with http but have often
done so with ssh and smtp.
Logging and blocking can all be done at the proxy, though. No need to
transfer the remote IP to the internal server.
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. Any webservice that uses the (supposed) client IP
for anything other than amusement value is broken, given NAT and client
proxies.
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will use, and we'll be screwed,
again. If we (the Free Software community) can get Ogg-Theora listed as
the base requirement (or recommendation), then we have a small chance of
promoting a free codec for widespread use.
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that you're not going
to update the packages, and point people to the upstream archive. Try
to get this into Etch (should be okay with no functional changes.) Then
pull from Etch+1.
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Thing.
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Nifty. It would be nice if e2fsck(8) mentioned this... :-)
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the on-board graphics take over).
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Then you have a lot more problems than `` vs $(). Debian's (and pretty
much everybody elses) /bin/sh is POSIX, and allows any valid POSIX
construct. Solaris's /bin/sh is ancient
a lot more problems than `` vs $(). Debian's (and pretty
much everybody elses) /bin/sh is POSIX, and allows any valid POSIX
construct. Solaris's /bin/sh is ancient Bourne shell, and doesn't
support a whole lot of stuff in common use.
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at present
are xlibs-dev (?), e2fsck, bash, busybox, dar, and two versions of zsh.
We used to build -x and -nox versions of packages that supported it; it
became a huge bloat and workload and we agreed to stop.
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besides mercurial? A quick glance
at hgview.py implies otherwise.
3. In anycase, explicitly list the supported DSCM systems. Tools such
as doesn't help the user.
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The nice thing about opinions is that everyone can have one. The nice
thing about Debian defaults is that no one forces you to use them.
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Description : othello board game for GPE
(along with other GPE games, etc.)
Why does this belong in Debian? Do Palm devices now run Debian?
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upstream, but finished, I think.
Bug#392672: O: positron - synchronization manager for the Neuros Audio
Computer Python. Probably dead after v1.1. Pierre Habouzit has NMU'd a
version 1.1 upgrade and support for new python policy, see bug # 380895.
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is easily achieved by removing
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-localepurge, right? Debconf is an appriate tool
when there is no obvious correct answer, but for these 1% options,
editing the config file is no burden.
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a problem in Debian GNU/* but you should tell upstream about
questionable coding style and portability.
The %m idiom is pretty widespread, actually, and not only a Glibc
extension. But the strerror(errno) form is definitely superior for
portability.
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By autoconf related problems I mean things like it suddenly
deciding it's running a cross compiler, or that stdlib.h is
missing. A lot of this kind of stuff could be improved by simply
SHOWING ME
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by simply SHOWING ME THE FSCKING ERROR MESSAGES, rather than just
checking the return code and guessing.
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my argument is that it tends to lead to bad usage, widely propogated.
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On the other hand, sw with custom build systems were always a pain:
usually they had no idea how to build a shared lib on AIX,
Neither does libtool. But I can usually easily change the Makefile to
fix that problem; libtool is an
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And guess what? System tests are actually more reliable, especially
when the user tells you what the system is. You can simply flip to
compiling foo_linux.c
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The *real* problem with the whole autotools disaster is that it promotes
a braindead idea of how to achieve portability: a #ifdef branch for
every different system
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Um, this is the exact opposite of the philosophy promoted by Autoconf since
at least version 2.0. Feature tests, not system tests. I can't speak to
other autotools.
Doesn't matter (feature tests
) is very
widespread.
So is syphilis. That doesn't make it desirable.
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Sure, it allows some one to install foo-data without the program that
uses it? So what? It's unlikely to happen by accident, and annoying to
those doing it intentionally. (Just like those foo-docs
On 25-Jul-06, 07:10 (CDT), Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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software?
Dpkg isn't deterministic in the general case.
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This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally,
be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused.
Rather, I'd characterise it as a feature that is necessary for any
general
not perfect.
For situations where a package requires a server that may be accessible
remotely, consensus policy is that the burden of requiring the server
be installed locally is larger than the burden of requiring the user to
think.
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, although they are mostly fixed, now.)
This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally,
be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused.
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technically, but it fits
conceptually. Anyway, the default value as specified by the package
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'%lu' expects type 'long unsigned int', but
argument 3 has type 'size_t'
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packages, but it screws up my todo list is not one of them.
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occasionally.
Then libtool is buggy[1] and needs to begin with #!/bin/bash or
#!/bin/dash, and include the appropriate Depends.
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[1] But you knew that.
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the kernel
config?
+1 for Amateur Radio
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Is it really mysql only?
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Currently I am starting a new project and want to know, if someone
know the existence if an imapclient library for C programing?
Michelle, please meet http://www.google.com. Google, meet Michelle.
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explicitly want, and let the
dependency system pull in anything they need.
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What the heck? Are you implying that would be a suitable well-formed
patch suitable for inclusion? Or did I miss some sarcasm?
You missed the sarcasm. I understood Daniel's point to be that just
because a patch is syntatically correct doesn't mean that it will (or
should) be applied.
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and repetitiously is being a childish asshole, but
YMMV.
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have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying hard,
and mostly getting better. I think.
In and of itself, it wouldn't be reason to expell you, because there are
several others around here who suffer similarly. But it doesn't make it
easier for people to defend you.
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Not if the relevant header hasn't been included. No #include
string.h, no compiler messing with strdup().
You are misinformed. First, note that strdup() is not in the
standard C
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not with a compiler in hosted mode. In this
mode, the compiler is allowed to have any knowledge about the standard
library builtin.
Not if the relevant header hasn't been included. No #include
string.h, no compiler messing with strdup().
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is completely determined
by personal opinion).
So, to reiterate: if you're serious about packaging 'bfc', I certainly
don't object. Just be prepared for the occasional whining from the SPO.
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The ultimate othello game with aqua-friendly graphics, full
cocoa interface and animations.
And how is that relevant to a Debian GNU/Linux user?
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the particular words.
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[2] Countering that is that the package is named bfc rather than
brainfuck, so maybe I'm being unfair, and it's not a deliberate
attempt to rile people.
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RMS to bypass this license term is unlikely to work.
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, the subscription is open
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clued.
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most commonly seen in ancient software that doesn't include all
of the right headers for functions like getopt().
Right. And in such cases it's trivial to fix, which makes it easier
to browse the build log for real errors. There's really no excuse for
letting these bugs live.
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* for one
particular alternative, and are perfectly happy with the all the others.
This is really a corner case, and while one should provide for corner
cases, one probably shouldn't design around corner cases.
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On 06-Jan-06, 08:28 (CST), paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Then the whole update-alternatives priority system is made pointless.
s/pointless/better/
How? If you provide the ability to determine alternative selection based
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Time to add a policy-alternatives hook to update-alternatives ??
Huh? If the admin manually sets an alternative with with
update-alternatives, it won't be overridden by a package install. What
more does she need?
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Such behaviour is pretty much standard alternative handling: the default
install is the lowest priority, and the optional variants have higher
priorities
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If you agree with the change, do Stefano and I need to do anything
other than swap vi alternative priorities and swap important-optional
priorities?
Why
-optional
priorities?
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vim-tiny depends on the 200k-ish vim-common too, so nvi seems
about half the total size of a vim
, they seem to be figuring it out
on their own. If you have some particular packages in mind, go offer to
help.
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I'd still like to know what Steve Greenland thinks of this, since he
maintains nvi. I think that if the maintainers of vim and nvi agree to
swap the one that is in base, that's their perogative to do now since
the thread hasn't
. Need I say more?
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[1] Dark blue on black. Need I say more?
That's not vim's fault:
$ echo $TERM
xterm
But this is gnome-terminal, and _not_ xterm. xterm used
might make sense.
Do you have any other suggestion in addition to the two proposed to make
vim more vi compatible?
Nope, now that you've corrected my mistake about syntax highlighting
being on by default.
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The problem is that there are really enough distinct colors to
complicated syntax highlighting that works with a variety of backgrounds
and lighting.
... are NOT really enough distinct colors to DO complicated syntax
. (Not meant sarcastically, it's
quite possible that you do see that combo better than I do.)
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`, right?
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[*snip* good rules}
5) Of course move /usr/share/pkg to pkg-data.
Why? If I install foo, I really expect it's shared data to be in
/usr/share/foo.
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Apparently not...
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Whether or not the original upload included a binary does not change
that.
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(http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundationLicenseFaq).
It does go on to say how to modify the PSF license, which is mostly
's/PSF/Your Organization/g'. This may be what has been done for
formencode.
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expanding into a second disk block. Untidy,
I'll grant you, but bloat seems excessive.
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with a 8080-based embedded system that
reads /etc/password from paper tape.)
Where people run into problems with the linear search is with 10K user
accounts, which is irrelevant to what we're discussing.
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which has been common practice for oh, what, 20+ years?
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arbitrarily changing them.
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by doing it. :-/
This is not really a larger problem, but just a problem in sudo.
Not really: sudo -H aptitude
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system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world. -- seen on the net
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Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:13:44 -0500
Source: jargon
Binary: jargon
Architecture: source all
Version: 4.0.0-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED
On 14-Aug-05, 11:09 (CDT), Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* License : Public domain with some files GPLv2+
Doesn't that effectively reduce to GPLv2+?
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Steve Greenland
The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus
swaths of
infrastructure to satisfy the whims of 0.01% of my users.
I sometimes think that Debian could do little more of that...
Steve
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Steve Greenland
The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over
and 2.5)
machine has /usr/xpg4/bin/sh installed.
Steve
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Steve Greenland
The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world. -- seen on the net
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On 06-Aug-05, 17:42 (CDT), Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, what exactly is the problem kernel-image-x.y.z providing a
kernel image for *bsd or hurd or whatever on the matching platform?
Bug reports.
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Steve Greenland
The irony is that Bill Gates claims
tampering one has done in /etc/rc?.d/
mv S20foo s20foo
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On 04-Aug-05, 05:09 (CDT), Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Greenland wrote:
I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd
users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting
from scratch, I'd be all for it. But at this point, it's just
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